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Medical Forum / General / Pharmacy / April 2005Mexico's rx requirements?
Am morbidly obese. Multi-health probs including DM. Can not have the current 'fad' surgery because of prior cancers. I need Tenuate! And If I have to take it till I die (am 60!), oh well. Can't find a doc who will prescribe. Was wondering about Mexico. Does anyone have any info? Thanks! --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 0516-6, 04/20/2005 Tested on: 4/20/2005 5:36:47 PM avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2005 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com This drug should not be taken if you have high blood pressure or heart disease. I would assume by your age, your obesity, and your DM that you probably have both of these conditions. I also imagine that is why you can't find a doctor to prescribe it to you. Not to mention the fact that this drug is only to be used short term, as in a few weeks. A few weeks of using this drug is not going to save your life. After a few weeks it loses its effectiveness. If you are truly concerned about weight loss and saving your life then buck up and do what you need to do to survive. That includes behavior modification. Lots of fruits and vegetables. Eat the chicken breasts, tuna fish, and turkey. Get rid of the processed stuff, sugars, white bread etc, and start exercising. This is just a small part of your behavior that needs to change. Since the problem is your behavior a pill isn't going to change that. I would forget about Mexico > Am morbidly obese. Multi-health probs including DM. Can not have the > current 'fad' surgery because of prior cancers. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2005 ALWIL Software. > http://www.avast.com >This drug should not be taken if you have high blood pressure or heart >disease. I would assume by your age, your obesity, and your DM that you >probably have both of these conditions. You assume wrong; I have neither!!! >>>I also imagine that is why you can't find a doctor to prescribe it to you. I can't find a doc because in CA they actually lose their licence's for 'prescribing class 4 drugs. >>>Not to mention the fact that this drug is only to be used short term, as in a few weeks. A few weeks of using this drug is not going to save your life. After a few weeks it loses its effectiveness. This ALSO in inaccurate. Current research in morbid obesity point to long term (even life long) treatment w/medication that works. I have taken this med for up to three years (before there was such a prob w/society disapproving of this class of medications), with NO lessening of effect. AND without needing increasing amounts of the med. I even took it through an entire pregnancy! (Prescribed, of course). I did have to 'taper' off though...when getting off the med, but even had no probs with that. And the weight I lost stayed OFF for over 10 years. >>>If you are truly concerned about weight loss and saving your life then buck up and do what you need to do to survive. That's exactly WHAT I am doing; getting what I need! Even if it means having to find a doc in Mexico! >>>Since the problem is your behavior a pill isn't going to change that. I would forget about Mexico You are REALLY out of the 'loop'. I suggest you get off your soapbox and read current research. My endo told me just last month that 'it wasn't my fault'. That she FULLY expected several valid treatments for morbid obesity within the next five years. The research is BASED on genetics!!!! NONE on 'behavior. I would point you to: New diabetes drugs just approved by Amylin (and one expected approval on 4/30/05 both dealing w/insulin resistance (which is also not a 'behavior prob!) And Aventis, which has a new 'appetite' suppressant in the FDA pipeline (based on cell receptors affected by cannabis - NOT behavior) they hope to be marketing in 2006. (And I'm not even a pharmacist!!!) Finally, Please think through what kind of 'advice' you give people. You have no idea what their medical issues are, and obviously you know nothing of morbid obesity, treatment, cause, or research! It's mind boggling to think of the wrong 'advice' you may be serving up! --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 0516-6, 04/20/2005 Tested on: 4/21/2005 3:40:55 PM avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2005 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com Huge snip because its mostly baited complaining > Finally, Please think through what kind of 'advice' you give people. > You have no idea what their medical issues are, and obviously you know > nothing of morbid obesity, treatment, cause, or research! It's mind > boggling to think of the wrong 'advice' you may be serving up! LOL. And can you believe that there are people who actually think they should ask for medical advice in a public newsgroup that could be populated with everything from axe murderers to zipper repairmen? And then whine about the advice they are given. Doctors in CA do not lose their license for prescribing CIVs - for quick proof just check out the Ambien sales for that area. Brad >And then whine about the advice they are given. I did NOT ASK FOR ADVICE! I asked for information on Mexico's docs, pharmacies, laws. And I've not gotten one reply. All I've gotten is a bunch of bs (must have been from the 'zipper salesmen'.) >Doctors in CA do not lose their license for prescribing CIVs - for quick >proof just check out the Ambien sales for that area. That's because Ambian is the current 'acceptable' script. Just like half the folks I know got scripts for oxycontin 10 yrs ago and can not get them now! (btw, I don't need either of these.) --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 0516-7, 04/22/2005 Tested on: 4/22/2005 6:09:26 PM avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2005 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com >>And then whine about the advice they are given. > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >>Doctors in CA do not lose their license for prescribing CIVs - for quick >>proof just check out the Ambien sales for that area. sorry..."we" prescribers in Ca do NOT lose our licenses for scripting Sched IV''s...ambien or whatever.. perhaps your doc simply no longer wishes to fill your habit.. > That's because Ambian is the current 'acceptable' script. Just like > half the folks I know got scripts for oxycontin 10 yrs ago and can not > get them now! (btw, I don't need either of these.) also totally untrue...Firstly...Oxy is Sched II,,not IV and many many scripts are written for Sched II,, for legitimate reasons for legitimate folks... > --- > avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. > Virus Database (VPS): 0516-7, 04/22/2005 > Tested on: 4/22/2005 6:09:26 PM > avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2005 ALWIL Software. > http://www.avast.com So you can honestly sit here and tell me, or whoever, that you are doing everything in your power, including eating correctly and exercising, and you are still morbidly obese? That may be true with a very small percentage of people but I would be so arrogant as to say that your obesity is directly proportional to the amount of calories taken in and energy expended. I would also like to say that I have never seen any people eating healthy, ie fruits, whole grains, vegetables, lean meat etc, and then becoming obese as a result. Obesity is caused by twinkies, candy, cookies, sugar, fast food and not exercising. Now if you have none of these items in your cupboards, don't eat them, exercise regularly or don't frequent fast food establishments then you can rest assured your not doing anything to contribute to your obesity and I am just an a.shole. Otherwise take some responsibility for where you are and take care of the situation without medication. The medication is also to be used as a last resort when diet and exercise have failed. Is that in your research? >>This drug should not be taken if you have high blood pressure or heart >>disease. I would assume by your age, your obesity, and your DM that you [quoted text clipped - 62 lines] > avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2005 ALWIL Software. > http://www.avast.com >So you can honestly sit here and tell me, or whoever, that you are doing >everything in your power, including eating correctly and exercising, and you [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >arrogant as to say that your obesity is directly proportional to the amount >of calories taken in and energy expended. Uh, so my MANY docs say... But then would seem you know better then they. --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 0516-7, 04/22/2005 Tested on: 4/22/2005 6:02:58 PM avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2005 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com : So you can honestly sit here and tell me, or whoever, that you are doing : everything in your power, including eating correctly and exercising, and you : are still morbidly obese? : That may be true with a very small percentage of people but I would be so : arrogant as to say that your obesity is directly proportional to the amount : of calories taken in and energy expended. : I would also like to say that I have never seen any people eating healthy, : ie fruits, whole grains, vegetables, lean meat etc, and then becoming obese [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] : responsibility for where you are and take care of the situation without : medication. You have never been obese, or very overweight, have you? People get to a point where their weight causes them so much pain, exhaustion, breathing difficulty, joint damage and instability, etc. that they simply cannot exercise. They are caught. Stimulants are not the answer, but they are a tool. I'm really wary of people who hate fat people. It really is the last bastion of acceptable discrimination. Emma Chase (size 11/12) I don't see how making fat people responsible for their behavior is discrimination. It isn't like people can change their height, or skin color. People can keep from getting "morbidly obese" as the original poster stated. Take the damn fork out of your mouth. Finding out why people are fat isn't a mystery of the universe. It has to do with supply and demand. Too much supply of calories that your body doesn't need means you get fat. It is very simple. > : So you can honestly sit here and tell me, or whoever, that you are doing > : everything in your power, including eating correctly and exercising, and [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > > Emma Chase (size 11/12) > I don't see how making fat people responsible for their behavior is > discrimination. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > supply of calories that your body doesn't need means you get fat. It is > very simple. How I love moralists! I read Science News regularly, and I regularly see articles supporting a major genetic element in obesity. You don't have this problem, so you are unable to imagine how it works. In the absence of evidence, being a good old American moralist, you jump to the assumption that it must be all the fault of the sufferer. As time goes on, you may find--horrors!--something in your life you cannot handle. At that time, please be the first to blame yourself exclusively for whatever misfortune results. Leonard  Signature"Everything that rises must converge" --Flannery O'Connor > You are REALLY out of the 'loop'. I suggest you get off your soapbox > and read current research. My endo told me just last month that 'it > wasn't my fault'. That she FULLY expected several valid treatments > for morbid obesity within the next five years. The research is BASED > on genetics!!!! NONE on 'behavior. I love it when I hear or read some people saying it with a serious face. I always have to refrain to mention Ethiopia or Somalia, where, as we all know, lots of people have morbid obesity just out of eating stones. -- Javi I was going to look it up for you. I trying typing Tenuate Mexico or something like that. After a few tries, Norton AntiVirus blocked two viruses that I had picked up. So don't even go there unless your computer is well protected. It sure wasn't very cheap, about $90 for a Rx. I'll let you do the surfing as I have never seen as much virus junk in the few tries I made looking for Mexican Tenuate! > Am morbidly obese. Multi-health probs including DM. Can not have the > current 'fad' surgery because of prior cancers. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2005 ALWIL Software. > http://www.avast.com : Am morbidly obese. Multi-health probs including DM. Can not have the : current 'fad' surgery because of prior cancers. : I need Tenuate! And If I have to take it till I die (am 60!), oh : well. : Can't find a doc who will prescribe. Was wondering about Mexico. : Does anyone have any info? : Thanks! Why not get your health problems investigated and treated properly. Obesity can be caused by sleep disorders (and vice versa)... which can cause decreases in Leptin --> causing obesity. Tenuate will just up your BP and stroke risk. Having cared for stroke pts, you'd rather be dead than have that happen. |
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