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PHARMACISTS PLAYING DOCTOR

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aztoots - 15 Sep 2003 06:45 GMT
Does any have problems with pharmacists 'playing doctor'?   Does a
pharmacist have a right to change the amount of pills given on a
prescription?

aztoots
Glenn Gilbreath Jr. - 01 Jan 2002 06:00 GMT
>From: "aztoots" <aztoots@highstream.net>
>Subject: PHARMACISTS PLAYING DOCTOR
>Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 22:45:06 -0700

>Does any have problems with pharmacists 'playing doctor'?   Does a
>pharmacist have a right to change the amount of pills given on a
>prescription?

>aztoots

Oh, forgot to mention another instance where the quantity
dispensed may be less than what the prescriber ordered...
in my practice, if I do not have sufficient stock on hand
to completely fill the prescription...say I only have 20
tablets of the Zoloft in the previous example instead of
the 30 allowed by insurance...I handle this in one of a
couple of ways.  My first step is ALWAYS inform my patient
that I do not have enough on hand to fill the prescription.  
Then, I offer a suggestion:  Either we can fill the Rx for
the amount I have on hand, and add a "partial refill", or
we can run the fill through the process for 30 tablets, and
I give my patient sort of an "I.O.U." for the other 10, which
I can usually have in stock the next day, or, I offer to see
if there is another pharmacy in town that does have sufficient
stock on hand to fill the full Rx.
I don't know if that is the answer you were looking for or not.  
I can only tell you how I treat my patients.  My little pharmacy
isn't the biggest or busiest in town, but I try to make sure my
patients are taken care of in regards to their medication needs.  
C U L8R!
Wiz  <{;-)

Wizard57M
Glenn Gilbreath Jr.
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James Pinkerton - 15 Sep 2003 17:40 GMT
> >From: "aztoots" <aztoots@highstream.net>
> >Subject: PHARMACISTS PLAYING DOCTOR
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> >pharmacist have a right to change the amount of pills given on a
> >prescription?

I think the real problem is the insurance providers are playing doctor.
They are the ones that say you can only have one months worth of a
particular medication or that you must use a certain brand of antidepressant
or antihistamine. They essentially make their own laws that often override
the ones issued by the State Boards of Pharmacy.  I believe that if you are
on Medicare your doctor can't even legally mention certain alternative forms
of therapy that may work for you.  Then you have the federal government
playing doctor by refusing to allow the use of cannabis and heroin for
medical treatment.

People should be mad at the insurance companies that have helped
prescription medication become so expensive in this country that many go to
Canada or Mexico to save some money.

BTW, does prescription insurance cover the new "improved" versions of
Prilosec and Claritin since the original formulations have gone over the
counter?
Wally - 16 Sep 2003 12:56 GMT
Actually, the insurance companies aren't dictating the laws. I tell customers
that, instead of paying their low, low co-pays for a 30 day suppl, that they
can pay the CASH price for 90 days and they can seek re-imbursement on their
own. Surprisingly, 100% of them will take the 30 days supply at their low, low
copay.

Same tactic works with high-tier co-pay rx's and non-formulary drugs

>I think the real problem is the insurance providers are playing doctor.
>They are the ones that say you can only have one months worth of a
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>playing doctor by refusing to allow the use of cannabis and heroin for
>medical treatment.

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Glenn Gilbreath Jr. - 01 Jan 2002 06:00 GMT
>From: wallylsp@aol.comnospamor (Wally)
>Date: 16 Sep 2003 11:56:28 GMT
>Subject: Re: PHARMACISTS PLAYING DOCTOR (2nd reply)

>Actually, the insurance companies aren't dictating the laws. I tell customers
>that, instead of paying their low, low co-pays for a 30 day suppl, that they
>can pay the CASH price for 90 days and they can seek re-imbursement on their
>own. Surprisingly, 100% of them will take the 30 days supply at their low, low
>copay.

>Same tactic works with high-tier co-pay rx's and non-formulary drugs

>>I think the real problem is the insurance providers are playing doctor.
>>They are the ones that say you can only have one months worth of a
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>>playing doctor by refusing to allow the use of cannabis and heroin for
>>medical treatment.

>Remove "nospam" for e-mail

Hehe...Wally!
Yep, doesn't surprise me a bit that they take the 30 days for the
low, low copay!  I mean, how many prescriptions for 90 caps of
Prevacid 30 mg have you filled lately that were "cash and carry"?
I haven't filled a single one in over 3 years...on the other hand,
I can't count the number of "30 capsule/30days" Rxs I've filled...
I could run a transaction report from the PDX computer I guess,
but I can't count them by memory!
C U L8R!
Wiz  <{;-)

ps...on a different subject:  Did anyone else happen to read
the "letter to the editor" from our very own Paul Trusten, RPh,
in the current issue of Drug Topics?  
Right on, Paul!  Kudos...yes, we do indeed need a "third class"
of medications available without doctor's prescription via a
Pharmacist Only route!

C U L8R! (again!)
Wiz  <{;-)
Wizard57M
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Registered Pharmacist
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G8RRPH - 17 Sep 2003 22:42 GMT
Under Florida law a pharmacist is allowed to make a prescription
correct.
BUT  I wonder, does anyone change table strength and change the sig to
1/2 tablet (a la Lipitor, especially for cash patients.  Cuts their
bill in half)
PERSONALLY I don't see this as a big deal because the intent of the
prescription is being carried out.

Dave
anonymous - 24 Sep 2003 00:46 GMT
I agree with you Dave,  this is the case with many drugs we see elderly on
as well as lipitor, patients can get savings on many  SSRI's   by doubling
the strength and cutting dose in half.  This method of savings has come to
light with the public lately thanks to viagra--- most insurance companies
will cover 4 of which ever strenght the md prescribes so many are getting
the higher 100mg and cutting them in half.

Joe -- Mass Rph
> Under Florida law a pharmacist is allowed to make a prescription
> correct.
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>
> Dave
Glenn Gilbreath Jr. - 01 Jan 2002 06:00 GMT
>From: "aztoots" <aztoots@highstream.net>
>Subject: PHARMACISTS PLAYING DOCTOR
>Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 22:45:06 -0700

>Does any have problems with pharmacists 'playing doctor'?   Does a
>pharmacist have a right to change the amount of pills given on a
>prescription?

>aztoots

Hmm, OK, I'll "bite"...as a pharmacist practicing in
Oklahoma, USA, I cannot by state law increase the number
of dosage units on the prescription...neither for some
insurance company requirement, nor patient request...
without contacting the prescribing physician prior to
the quantity increase.  I can, however, dispense less
than a "full prescription" if requested by the patient,
or if their insurance allows some smaller days supply
maximum quantity...for example, a patient hands me a
prescription for 100 Zoloft 50 mg tablets, 1 tablet
daily.  They have a prescription insurance plan which
only covers a 30 day supply maximum...I can then only
dispense 30 tablets...or, if the patient has no insurance
and little money, but still needs to take the medication,
I may even offer to dispense a partial prescription.
In these cases, I add additional refills to the Rx, enough
to equal the original quantity plus original refills.
On the other hand, if the original prescription is for only
30 tablets, one daily, and the patient has lots of extra
money, or insurance coverage, and they ask me to "double
the prescription"...I first must call the prescriber for
a new prescription for the increased quantity.
This may or may not be the case in other states in USA,
nor in other countries.  Consult with your local pharmacy
regulatory body for the exact terms in your locality.
Maybe this explained it...
C U L8R!
Wiz  <{;-)

Wizard57M
Glenn Gilbreath Jr.
Registered Pharmacist
http://members.surfbest.net/wizard57m@surfbest.net/index.htm
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Aimee G - 15 Sep 2003 14:23 GMT
> Does any have problems with pharmacists 'playing doctor'?   Does a
> pharmacist have a right to change the amount of pills given on a
> prescription?

How does that constitue "playing doctor"?

Aimee, Doctor of Pharmacy
playing doctor every day.
Hank - 23 Sep 2003 18:36 GMT
> Does any have problems with pharmacists 'playing doctor'?   Does a
> pharmacist have a right to change the amount of pills given on a
> prescription?
>
> aztoots

Though this answers a question you didn't ask here's food for thought: A physician I know
(in Internal Medicine) was a pharmacist for five years (three years hospital pharmacy and
two years in retail) who returned to school for his M.D. He often told me that his years in
pharmacy school and time spent working in the field contributed immeasurably to his skills
as a doctor and further stated that he thought ALL prospective M.D.'s should take the same
number of chemistry, biochemistry and pharmacology courses that pharmacists do.

My question is not "Should pharmacists play doctor?" It is, "Shouldn't more doctors
play pharmacist?"

Hank
dave smith - 24 Sep 2003 00:37 GMT
> > Does any have problems with pharmacists 'playing doctor'?   Does a
> > pharmacist have a right to change the amount of pills given on a
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>
> Hank

i disagree
dave smith
Brad - 24 Sep 2003 14:49 GMT
> > > Does any have problems with pharmacists 'playing doctor'?   Does a
> > > pharmacist have a right to change the amount of pills given on a
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> i disagree
> dave smith

What - you don't agree Hank has a friend?

Brad
anonymous - 24 Sep 2003 01:09 GMT
Totally agree Hank!!

Joe -- Mass Rph

> > Does any have problems with pharmacists 'playing doctor'?   Does a
> > pharmacist have a right to change the amount of pills given on a
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>
> Hank
 
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