I've been digging around for months now, and can't get to the bottom of
this.
For many years, I've been hearing that oils that are solids at room
temperature can clog the arteries and cause heart attacks, and to avoid
coconut oil. Even the movie inmdustry stopped using it, I heard.
So now there are all these web sites saying that it's actually a lie,
coconut oil is really healthy for us in so many ways, etc. But I notice
that they're usually connected with some site selling coconut oil, or some
group for advocating it.
So WHERE can I find the real latest scientific info on this, from an
unbiased impartial scientific authoritative source?
Pizza Girl - 02 Mar 2004 00:21 GMT
Try it!
It all comes back except one tablespoon becomes a reality, and it withstands
up to ~550 degree without becoming rancid.
> I've been digging around for months now, and can't get to the bottom of
> this.
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> So WHERE can I find the real latest scientific info on this, from an
> unbiased impartial scientific authoritative source?
Tim Tyler - 03 Mar 2004 14:19 GMT
Melissa Lakewood <Melissa@lakewoodcolorado.xyy> wrote or quoted:
> I've been digging around for months now, and can't get to the bottom of
> this.
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> So WHERE can I find the real latest scientific info on this, from an
> unbiased impartial scientific authoritative source?
Here's Dr Weil's 2p - from 2003:
http://www.drweil.com/app/cda/drw_cda.html-command=TodayQA-questionId=316479

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eldred30 - 04 Mar 2004 01:46 GMT
> I've been digging around for months now, and can't get to the bottom of
> this.
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> So WHERE can I find the real latest scientific info on this, from an
> unbiased impartial scientific authoritative source?
There are several excellent articles on fats and oils at:
http://www.westonaprice.org/know_your_fats/know_your_fats.html
And......they are not selling anything!
Melissa Lakewood - 04 Mar 2004 05:56 GMT
eldred30@linkamerica.net (eldred30) doth postedeth:
> http://www.westonaprice.org/know_your_fats/know_your_fats.html
Thanks! That's along the lines I was looking for! My popcorn group thanks you
too!
Chris Jain - 10 Mar 2004 22:42 GMT
> eldred30@linkamerica.net (eldred30) doth postedeth:
>
> > http://www.westonaprice.org/know_your_fats/know_your_fats.html
>
> Thanks! That's along the lines I was looking for! My popcorn group thanks you
> too!
I'd suggest searching the google archives for discussions of coconut
oil, Mary Enig, and the Price Foundation/Weston Price that have taken
place on this newsgroup in the past. Me--personally I don't consider
the source to be an "unbiased impartial scientific authoritative
source."
Tim Tyler - 04 Mar 2004 08:26 GMT
eldred30 <eldred30@linkamerica.net> wrote or quoted:
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> > For many years, I've been hearing that oils that are solids at room
> > temperature can clog the arteries and cause heart attacks, and to avoid
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>
> And......they are not selling anything!
It seems as though they are collecting commisions from sales of the book
written by their coconut article's author.
They are doing that via the link on:
http://www.westonaprice.org/book_reviews/know_your.html
Nothing wrong with that - but it can't be said they are not selling
anything.
Note that Mary Enig is probably the world's #1 coconut oil advocate.

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KLM - 04 Mar 2004 13:05 GMT
>I've been digging around for months now, and can't get to the bottom of
>this.
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>So WHERE can I find the real latest scientific info on this, from an
>unbiased impartial scientific authoritative source?
This is an empirical assessment of the health effects coconut oil. I
grew up in the Far East where coconut milk, and therefore coconut oil,
is common in everyday meals.
A few general words of advice. Its crazy to pay good money to buy
coconut oil in health food store pure or pill form. Coconut oil is
bad for your health. If it is not part of your normal diet don't add
another unknown whose nutritional worth is unproven and may even cause
you harm is taken in pure form..
This "coconut oil is good for you" is a very recent dietary
supplements' marketing ploy to sell stuff based on your insecruities.
We orientals have been eating the stuff for centuries and there is no
tradition of attributing any health benefits to coconut products. In
fact we are of the opinion that its really not that good for our
health.
But like many I love the taste and aroma of coconut milk in cooked
food. Coconut milk is the thick white milky stuff squeezed from
mature coconut flesh, not the thin sweet liquid that drains out when a
coconut is cracked open.
You can buy this coconut milk in frozen plastic packs from the Chinese
grocery store and there are lots of recipie books that use coconut
milk. The curries are exotic and delicious and not that hard to cook.
Or go the easy way and warm up premade curry from a can. You can
also buy canned currry in an Indian grocery shop but I find their
stuff less to my tastes. So if you still think coconut oil is a good
thing get it in the form of an adventurous meal. It will be the
healthier form of intake and delicious to boot.
Since moving to Canada I rarely get to eat any meals containing
coconut products. So I have been resensitized to such foods. This is
what I find that will keep coconut stuff off my meals except for the
rare occasion when I have an urge to eat (canned) curried stew again.
1. There is that uncomforatble feeling of "fullness" kind of like
bloating.
2. The blood feels thick and hard to pump.
3. The chest feels tight as if something is squeezing it.
4. I get hot flushes.
5. I spend extra time in the loo.
Now 2, 3 & 4 sound like psycho mumbo jumbo. But I trust what my body
tells me and don't pretend to understand the chemistry or physiology.
So I rarely eat that stuff anymore. We have a sizeable community of
immigrants from my part of the world who have arrived the same
conclusion, that coconut milk is way too rich for our diets, and have
eliminated it from out meals. This assessment is not from reading
nutrition news, none of us care for this kind of reading, and many in
the group are doctors and health professsionals, but because that's
how we react to foods. We are like lab rats in that we don't have the
many health and food problems that bug our cousins back home. And
they have a high incidence of high blood pressure, high cholesterol,
heart attacks and stroke, cancer, many early deaths. Is it due to
coconut milk? We don't know. But to us coconuts is a non essential
food and easy to avoid. We wouldn't dream of buying pure coconut oil
in a pill.
Pizza Girl - 05 Mar 2004 01:19 GMT
Nice post
> >I've been digging around for months now, and can't get to the bottom of
> >this.
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> food and easy to avoid. We wouldn't dream of buying pure coconut oil
> in a pill.
Skinny - 25 Mar 2004 20:04 GMT
As an American who loves Asian food, especially curry sauces with coconut
'milk', I'd like to second at least part of this advice. Why buy processed
expensive capsules of pure oil (which is questionable) instead of just
using the whole 'coconut milk' product for wonderful sauces?
What's easy to get here is Chaokoh or Thai Kitchen brand in cans. Both of
them will separate in the fridge if you want either the fatty part or the
thin liquid alone. Thai Kitchen seems to have more of the thin part, is
sweeter.
I've been doing a temporary very low-carb diet and just now adding coconut
'milk' as alternative to sour cream /yoghurt/etc in some dishes. To me it
seems lighter and less clogging/cloying. Also less acid. For a quick soup I
can add it to V8 or a canned tomato sauce and it balances the acid of the
tomato product, making a nice 'comfort food'.
If I'd used yoghurt it would have been too acid.
/snip/
> This is an empirical assessment of the health effects coconut oil. I
> grew up in the Far East where coconut milk, and therefore coconut oil,
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> 4. I get hot flushes.
> 5. I spend extra time in the loo.
Nothing serious for me, but I tend to get a bit more of that sort of thing
from dairy milk products than from coconut 'milk'.
When you don't use the coconut milk, what do you use instead? Do you still
eat a lot of rice or noodles with some kind of rich sauce, or do you have
some quite different kind of dish?
> Now 2, 3 & 4 sound like psycho mumbo jumbo. But I trust what my body
> tells me and don't pretend to understand the chemistry or physiology.
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> food and easy to avoid. We wouldn't dream of buying pure coconut oil
> in a pill.
Skinny - 10 Apr 2004 16:33 GMT
Here's a commercial site that tells about different methods of extracting
coconut oil:
http://www.tropicaltraditions.com/virgin_coconut_oil.htm
I wonder if it's the modern methods of extratction that produce the kind
that causes the problems. I just use the whole canned coconut milk for
cooking.
Skinny
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> I've been digging around for months now, and can't get to the bottom of
> this.
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> So WHERE can I find the real latest scientific info on this, from an
> unbiased impartial scientific authoritative source?