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COPD / antioxidant levels
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doe - 27 Feb 2004 18:12 GMT Respirology. 2004 Mar;9(1):38-42. Links
The effects of antioxidants on exercise-induced lipid peroxidation in patients with COPD.
Agacdiken A, Basyigit I, Ozden M, Yildiz F, Ural D, Maral H, Boyaci H, Ilgazli A, Komsuoglu B.
Department of Cardiology, University Faculty of Medicine, Kocaeli, Turkey.
The effects of antioxidants on exercise-induced lipid peroxidation in patients with COPD AGACDIKEN A, BASYIGIT I, OZDEN M, YILDIZ F, URAL D, MARAL H, BOYACI H, ILGAZLI A, KOMSUOGLU B. Respirology 2004; 9: 38-42Objective: The oxidant-antioxidant balance plays an important role in the pathogenesis of COPD. The aim of the present study was to evaluate the effects of exercise, as an oxidative stress factor on the oxidant-antioxidant balance and to investigate whether short-term antioxidant treatment affects lipid peroxidation products. Methodology: Twenty-one stable COPD patients and 10 control subjects were included in the study. Symptom-limited exercise tests were performed by all subjects. Blood was collected before and 1 h after exercise in control subjects and before, 1 and 3 h after exercise in COPD patients, for analysis of malondialdehyde (MDA), reduced glutathione (GSH) and vitamin E (VE) levels. VE and vitamin C treatments were added to the regular bronchodilator therapy in 10 COPD patients for 1 month. After the treatment period, an exercise test was performed and blood was collected again for MDA, GSH and VE levels. Results: Baseline GSH and VE levels were significantly lower in the COPD group when compared with the control subjects. There was no statistically significant difference in MDA levels between the two groups. In the COPD group, MDA levels 3 h after exercise were significantly higher than at baseline. In contrast there were no significant differences in MDA, VE and GSH levels in the control group after exercise. VE and MDA levels increased significantly after exercise in COPD patients but there was no difference in GSH levels. Baseline exercise time was significantly lower in the COPD group than in the controls. In 10 COPD patients who were given antioxidant therapy, their exercise time increased significantly and there was no increase in MDA and VE levels after the repeated exercise test. Conclusions: Antioxidant levels were significantly lower in COPD patients than in control subjects. In these patients, exercise results in more significant oxidative stress and lipid peroxidation than in control subjects and antioxidant therapy may decrease lipid peroxidation following exercise and improve exercise capacity.
PMID: 14982600 [PubMed - in process]
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Manky Badger - 27 Feb 2004 22:15 GMT > Respirology. 2004 Mar;9(1):38-42. Links > > The effects of antioxidants on exercise-induced lipid peroxidation in patients > with COPD. Come on Tommy - what's COPD ?
doe - 28 Feb 2004 16:49 GMT >Subject: Re: COPD / antioxidant levels >From: "Manky Badger" mb@freeserve.puritan.co.uk [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >Come on Tommy - what's COPD ? I told you ...
Have some success .. then .. ask me a stupid question ..
You believe you are somehow .. successful .. ?
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markd@toad-net.com - 28 Feb 2004 17:44 GMT Tom, what succes have you had? I read your aspirin page, to which you allude, and there are multiple flaws of logic and science apparent in the way you put info togather and the conclusions you reach. Do you have another example of success? Perhaps more fundimental, to what goal do you feel some success and how do you measure it?
doe - 28 Feb 2004 18:41 GMT >Subject: Re: COPD / antioxidant levels >From: markd@toad-net.com [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >another example of success? Perhaps more fundimental, to what goal do you >feel some success and how do you measure it? Stay away from .. me ..
Dig ..? Understand .. ? Comprendez .. ?
You have shown too much stupidity to EVER be taken .. seriously ..
I'd ask you how that .. felt ..
But since you don't actually UNDERSTAND HOW STUPID YOU REALLY .. are ..
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Manky Badger - 28 Feb 2004 23:39 GMT > >Subject: Re: COPD / antioxidant levels > >From: markd@toad-net.com [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > But since you don't actually UNDERSTAND HOW STUPID YOU REALLY .. are .. But I bet he knows what COPD stands for, Tom
Manky Badger - 28 Feb 2004 23:45 GMT > > But since you don't actually UNDERSTAND HOW STUPID YOU REALLY .. are .. > > But I bet he knows what COPD stands for, Tom And I know he's heard of cytoadhesion.
doe - 29 Feb 2004 03:52 GMT >Subject: Re: COPD / antioxidant levels >From: "Manky Badger" mb@freeserve.puritan.co.uk >Date: 2/28/2004 4:45 PM Mountain Standard Time >Message-id: <c1r973$uq7$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk>
>And I know he's heard of cytoadhesion. And I bet he 'understands' an article about as well as .. YOU .. eh ..
The article stated CLEARLY .. parasites are IMPEDED BY IRON DEFICIENCY .. in their ability to enter the cell.
But .. you fail to address that .. eh ..
So .. that means you are either STUPID or attempting to deride IMPORTANT medical studies ..
Which is it .. you little fk ..
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doe - 29 Feb 2004 03:55 GMT >Subject: Re: COPD / antioxidant levels >From: "Manky Badger" mb@freeserve.puritan.co.uk >Date: 2/28/2004 4:45 PM Mountain Standard Time >Message-id: <c1r973$uq7$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk>
>And I know he's heard of cytoadhesion. How do you know that ..?
You some sort of fkg .. psychic ..?
AND .. since I have you here .. on a post which is OBVIOUSLY .. a .. personal .. abusive .. post ..
Read my lips ..
Keep your fkg .. personal remarks to yourself ..
Dig .. ?
Who loves ya. Tom
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Manky Badger - 29 Feb 2004 12:02 GMT > >Subject: Re: COPD / antioxidant levels > >From: "Manky Badger" mb@freeserve.puritan.co.uk [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > How do you know that ..? Because he posted to say he'd looked it up on Google
> You some sort of fkg .. psychic ..? > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Dig .. ? Oh Tommy.........
Why is it that you just cannot understand the whole concept of newsgroups. If someone attempts to discuss something with you, the idea is to discuss. Quite often the comments will be light hearted and toungue in cheek.
You just can't grasp this can you? You use one of two options. You either post utterly irrelevent papers that undermine your case, or you resort to personal abuse.
Which is a shame.
doe - 29 Feb 2004 17:41 GMT >Subject: Re: COPD / antioxidant levels >From: "Manky Badger" mb@freeserve.puritan.co.uk [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > >Which is a shame. No .. it is that you have been categorizied ..
Will the real slim shady ..
Condescending .. dildo ..
No different from the rest ..
Who loves ya. Tom
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Manky Badger - 29 Feb 2004 22:04 GMT > >Subject: Re: COPD / antioxidant levels > >From: "Manky Badger" mb@freeserve.puritan.co.uk [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] > Who loves ya. > Tom Oh Tommy - it's such a shame. You post this stuff that you so obviously seem to beleive in, then you do your level best to come over as some sort of total psycho. Do you actually beleive this iron stuff or is the whole thing one big wind up ?
doe - 29 Feb 2004 22:24 GMT >Subject: Re: COPD / antioxidant levels >From: "Manky Badger" mb@freeserve.puritan.co.uk >Date: 2/29/2004 3:04 PM Mountain Standard Time >Message-id: <c1tnl4$m68$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk>
>your level best to come over as some sort of total psycho. Look .. dildo ..
YOU come onto MY thread ..
YOU discredit the article .. attempt to discredit the article ..
YOU 'say' you are some sort of experienced / educated medical professional ..
YOU make stupid remarks ABOUT the medical study ..
EVEN .. I .. can interpret the article correctly ..
So .. answer the question .. are you stupid or are you a .. menace ..
Simple question ..
Either way ..
Stay .. the .. F ... away .. from .. me ..
Go fly a friggin kite ..
Go sell something ..
Stay off MY .. posts ..
Cause I don't find a whole fkg lot .. funny .. in these newsgroups ..
Dig .. ?
Who loves ya. Tom
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Manky Badger - 29 Feb 2004 22:34 GMT > >Subject: Re: COPD / antioxidant levels > >From: "Manky Badger" mb@freeserve.puritan.co.uk [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > Cause I don't find a whole fkg lot .. funny .. in these newsgroups .. QED
doe - 29 Feb 2004 22:45 GMT >Subject: Re: COPD / antioxidant levels Respirology. 2004 Mar;9(1):38-42. Links
The effects of antioxidants on exercise-induced lipid peroxidation in patients with COPD.
Agacdiken A, Basyigit I, Ozden M, Yildiz F, Ural D, Maral H, Boyaci H, Ilgazli A, Komsuoglu B.
Department of Cardiology, University Faculty of Medicine, Kocaeli, Turkey.
The effects of antioxidants on exercise-induced lipid peroxidation in patients with COPD AGACDIKEN A, BASYIGIT I, OZDEN M, YILDIZ F, URAL D, MARAL H, BOYACI H, ILGAZLI A, KOMSUOGLU B. Respirology 2004; 9: 38-42Objective: The oxidant-antioxidant balance plays an important role in the pathogenesis of COPD. The aim of the present study was to evaluate the effects of exercise, as an oxidative stress factor on the oxidant-antioxidant balance and to investigate whether short-term antioxidant treatment affects lipid peroxidation products. Methodology: Twenty-one stable COPD patients and 10 control subjects were included in the study. Symptom-limited exercise tests were performed by all subjects. Blood was collected before and 1 h after exercise in control subjects and before, 1 and 3 h after exercise in COPD patients, for analysis of malondialdehyde (MDA), reduced glutathione (GSH) and vitamin E (VE) levels. VE and vitamin C treatments were added to the regular bronchodilator therapy in 10 COPD patients for 1 month. After the treatment period, an exercise test was performed and blood was collected again for MDA, GSH and VE levels. Results: Baseline GSH and VE levels were significantly lower in the COPD group when compared with the control subjects. There was no statistically significant difference in MDA levels between the two groups. In the COPD group, MDA levels 3 h after exercise were significantly higher than at baseline. In contrast there were no significant differences in MDA, VE and GSH levels in the control group after exercise. VE and MDA levels increased significantly after exercise in COPD patients but there was no difference in GSH levels. Baseline exercise time was significantly lower in the COPD group than in the controls. In 10 COPD patients who were given antioxidant therapy, their exercise time increased significantly and there was no increase in MDA and VE levels after the repeated exercise test. Conclusions: Antioxidant levels were significantly lower in COPD patients than in control subjects. In these patients, exercise results in more significant oxidative stress and lipid peroxidation than in control subjects and antioxidant therapy may decrease lipid peroxidation following exercise and improve exercise capacity.
PMID: 14982600 [PubMed - in process]
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Who loves ya. Tom
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Manky Badger - 29 Feb 2004 22:51 GMT > >Subject: Re: COPD / antioxidant levels > > Respirology. 2004 Mar;9(1):38-42. Links This is EXACTLY what I'm talking about Tom. The discussion in this thread has moved on to your perceived inability to communicate effectively, and rather than taking the discussion you have actually done both of the things I accuse you of - you firstly resorted to personal abuse & now you post irrelevant stuff.
It IS all a big wind up, isn't it ?
doe - 01 Mar 2004 00:41 GMT >Subject: Re: COPD / antioxidant levels >From: "Manky Badger" mb@freeserve.puritan.co.uk >Date: 2/29/2004 3:51 PM Mountain Standard Time >Message-id: <c1tqcl$ut4$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk>
>Subject: Re: COPD / antioxidant levels Respirology. 2004 Mar;9(1):38-42. Links
The effects of antioxidants on exercise-induced lipid peroxidation in patients with COPD.
Agacdiken A, Basyigit I, Ozden M, Yildiz F, Ural D, Maral H, Boyaci H, Ilgazli A, Komsuoglu B.
Department of Cardiology, University Faculty of Medicine, Kocaeli, Turkey.
The effects of antioxidants on exercise-induced lipid peroxidation in patients with COPD AGACDIKEN A, BASYIGIT I, OZDEN M, YILDIZ F, URAL D, MARAL H, BOYACI H, ILGAZLI A, KOMSUOGLU B. Respirology 2004; 9: 38-42Objective: The oxidant-antioxidant balance plays an important role in the pathogenesis of COPD. The aim of the present study was to evaluate the effects of exercise, as an oxidative stress factor on the oxidant-antioxidant balance and to investigate whether short-term antioxidant treatment affects lipid peroxidation products. Methodology: Twenty-one stable COPD patients and 10 control subjects were included in the study. Symptom-limited exercise tests were performed by all subjects. Blood was collected before and 1 h after exercise in control subjects and before, 1 and 3 h after exercise in COPD patients, for analysis of malondialdehyde (MDA), reduced glutathione (GSH) and vitamin E (VE) levels. VE and vitamin C treatments were added to the regular bronchodilator therapy in 10 COPD patients for 1 month. After the treatment period, an exercise test was performed and blood was collected again for MDA, GSH and VE levels. Results: Baseline GSH and VE levels were significantly lower in the COPD group when compared with the control subjects. There was no statistically significant difference in MDA levels between the two groups. In the COPD group, MDA levels 3 h after exercise were significantly higher than at baseline. In contrast there were no significant differences in MDA, VE and GSH levels in the control group after exercise. VE and MDA levels increased significantly after exercise in COPD patients but there was no difference in GSH levels. Baseline exercise time was significantly lower in the COPD group than in the controls. In 10 COPD patients who were given antioxidant therapy, their exercise time increased significantly and there was no increase in MDA and VE levels after the repeated exercise test. Conclusions: Antioxidant levels were significantly lower in COPD patients than in control subjects. In these patients, exercise results in more significant oxidative stress and lipid peroxidation than in control subjects and antioxidant therapy may decrease lipid peroxidation following exercise and improve exercise capacity.
PMID: 14982600 [PubMed - in process]
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Who loves ya. Tom
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markd@toad-net.com - 29 Feb 2004 23:06 GMT Tom, if you want to use newsgroups as a filing system, find one of the many seldom used abandoned groups and use it to store your postings. That will save readers of other ngs having to read and/or try to make sense of why you post. Then everyone can be happy.
doe - 01 Mar 2004 00:43 GMT >Subject: Re: COPD / antioxidant levels >From: markd@toad-net.com [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >will save readers of other ngs having to read and/or try to make sense of >why you post. Then everyone can be happy. I tell you what ..
Stay .. away .. from .. me .. AND .. my .. posts ..
Then .. I .. will be happy ..
If you really think I .. care .. about the likes of a jrkff like you ..
Who loves ya. Tom
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doe - 29 Feb 2004 03:58 GMT >Subject: Re: COPD / antioxidant levels >From: "Manky Badger" mb@freeserve.puritan.co.uk >Date: 2/28/2004 4:39 PM Mountain Standard Time >Message-id: <c1r8r4$23a$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk>
>But I bet he knows what COPD stands for, Tom Is that .. right ..
THAT .. I take as a .. personal .. remark ..
Why don't you just .. F .. O ..
Eh ..
You are as useless on this thread as you are to the kid ..
Who loves ya. Tom
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