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Are antioxidants helpful or not?

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markd@toad-net.com - 26 Feb 2004 20:26 GMT
This article suggests the whole theory of the role of antioxidants in
health is misunderstood, in fact they suggest they are negating the
helpful benefits of free radicals in fighting infection and disease
prevention:

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/news/fullstory_16228.html
William A. Noyes - 27 Feb 2004 01:41 GMT
Hey Mark De Toad your link to an article entitled
"Very-low-calorie Diet Controls Teens'
Diabetes" as written by one
of the Reuter's moron writers.

> This article suggests the whole theory of the role of antioxidants in
> health is misunderstood, in fact they suggest they are negating the
> helpful benefits of free radicals in fighting infection and disease
> prevention:
>
> http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/news/fullstory_16228.html
markd@toad-net.com - 27 Feb 2004 01:44 GMT
Sorry, I previously used the wrong url to this article, here are two
articles on the topic of the soundness of the antioxident theory with
regard to disease and disorders and which suggest that free radicals play
an important role in the immune system to prevent disease:

http://www.betterhumans.com/News/news.aspx?articleID=2004-02-23-3

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2004-02/ucl-usq022404.php
Robert Klute - 27 Feb 2004 02:40 GMT
The first article implies that producing fewer free radicals is more
important than being able to get rid of them.  The second says that free
radicals are produced as a reaction to disease.  What I get from this is
that healthy organisms live longer.
John 'the Man' - 27 Feb 2004 16:10 GMT
jheiskan@welho.com  jwales@bomis.com  TKNOTT@qcl.org.uk
Once upon a time, our fellow Robert Klute
  rambled on about "Re: Are antioxidants helpful or not?."
Our champion De-Medicalizing in sci.med.nutrition retorts, thusly ...

>The first article implies that producing fewer free radicals is more
>important than being able to get rid of them.  The second says that free
>radicals are produced as a reaction to disease.  What I get from this is
>that healthy organisms live longer.

Thanks for the commentary.

Why Mark 'the Toad' totally bungled his post is totally beyond me?

Oh yeah!  Mark 'the Toad' is a science geek.

Ha, ... Hah, Ha!
markd@toad-net.com - 27 Feb 2004 18:13 GMT
"Why Mark 'the Toad' totally bungled his post is totally beyond me?

Oh yeah!  Mark 'the Toad' is a science geek." Bungle what?  I took no
position on the idea being tested about the role of free radicals in
disease control, I thought this an interesting idea.  There has been a
spate of such postings on another health related ng, these two are but
examples of how science works.  An idea gets going and research is done to
see how well it suscribes to reality.  Then others look at the nature of
the original idea and again test reality as to how it might be understood
in some better way.  In this back and forth manner science tries to wring
out the shape of the reality of the question.  Do I rely on science as the
best way by which to ask and answer questions about the physical reality?  
You bet ya, if there is another way which has a better track record,
please do let us know.  Interperting chincken entrails, bumps on the head,
leaves in the tea cup, numbers and stars, etc. have all been tried and all
lack miserably in the record department.  When it comes to health, sign me
up for science everytime, science is not a four letter word.  More
recently some want to substitute the "I'm ok you are ok and we all are ok
and we tell each other in our choir so it must be true", a new warm cozy
approach to confirming what ever nut theory comes down the pike.  It seems
to look like science but fails because it doesn't do the hard work of the
process mentioned above but relies on how popular among the "ok" choir it
is;ie. it is called scientism.
John 'the Man' - 28 Feb 2004 05:26 GMT
jheiskan@welho.com  jwales@bomis.com  TKNOTT@qcl.org.uk
Once upon a time, our fellow markd@toad-net.com
  rambled on about "Re: Are antioxidants helpful or not?."
Our champion De-Medicalizing in sci.med.nutrition retorts, thusly ...

> I took no
>position on the idea being tested about the role of free radicals in
>disease control, I thought this an interesting idea.

Oh!  So, you are trying to emulate doe?

"... you have my sympathies"
Science Officer Ash to Ripley, in the movie ALIEN.
Robert Klute - 27 Feb 2004 02:35 GMT
>Hey Mark De Toad your link to an article entitled
>"Very-low-calorie Diet Controls Teens'
>Diabetes" as written by one
>of the Reuter's moron writers.

Momre interestingly 'A high-protein, low-card, very-low-calorie diet is
effective short-term treatment for  ...type 2 diabetes'.
 
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