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Low-carb and Mediterranean diets better than low-fat diet for weight loss

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Matti Narkia - 17 Jul 2008 10:31 GMT
The New England Journal of Medicine (NEJM) has today published the
results of two-year randomized controlled clinical trial (N=322)

Shai I et al.
Weight Loss with a Low-Carbohydrate, Mediterranean, or Low-Fat Diet.
The New England Journal of Medicine (NEJM), Volume 359:229-241,
July 17, 2008, Number 3
<http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/full/359/3/229>

which compared the efficacy and health effects of low-carb,
Mediterranean and low-fat diets in weight loss. Below the abstract
of the study;

    "Background Trials comparing the effectiveness and safety of
    weight-loss diets are frequently limited by short follow-up times
    and high dropout rates.

    Methods In this 2-year trial, we randomly assigned 322 moderately
    obese subjects (mean age, 52 years; mean body-mass index [the
    weight  in kilograms divided by the square of the height in '
    meters],  31; male sex, 86%) to one of three diets: low-fat,
    restricted-calorie; Mediterranean, restricted-calorie; or
    low-carbohydrate, non–restricted-calorie.

    Results The rate of adherence to a study diet was 95.4% at 1
    year and 84.6% at 2 years. The Mediterranean-diet group
    consumed the largest amounts of dietary fiber and had the
    highest ratio of monounsaturated to saturated fat (P<0.05
    for all comparisons among treatment groups). The low-carbohydrate
    group consumed the smallest amount of carbohydrates and the
    largest amounts of fat, protein, and cholesterol and had the
    highest percentage of participants with detectable urinary
    ketones (P<0.05 for all comparisons among treatment groups).
    The mean weight loss was 2.9 kg for the low-fat group, 4.4 kg
    for the Mediterranean-diet group, and 4.7 kg for the
    low-carbohydrate group (P<0.001 for the interaction between
    diet group and time); among the 272 participants who completed
    the intervention, the mean weight losses were 3.3 kg, 4.6 kg,
    and 5.5 kg, respectively. The relative reduction in the ratio
    of total cholesterol to high-density lipoprotein cholesterol
    was 20% in the low-carbohydrate group and 12% in the low-fat
    group (P=0.01). Among the 36 subjects with diabetes, changes
    in fasting plasma glucose and insulin levels were more favorable
    among those assigned to the Mediterranean diet than among those
    assigned to the low-fat diet (P<0.001 for the interaction among
    diabetes and Mediterranean diet and time with respect to fasting
    glucose levels).

    Conclusions Mediterranean and low-carbohydrate diets may be
    effective alternatives to low-fat diets. The more favorable
    effects on lipids (with the low-carbohydrate diet) and on
    glycemic control (with the Mediterranean diet) suggest that
    personal preferences and metabolic considerations might
    inform individualized tailoring of dietary interventions."

The full text of the article seems also to be free, although to read
it a free registrations is probably required. Below a citation from
the Discussion chapter:

    "In this 2-year dietary-intervention study, we found that the
    Mediterranean and low-carbohydrate diets are effective alternatives
    to the low-fat diet for weight loss and appear to be just as safe
    as the low-fat diet. In addition to producing weight loss in this
    moderately obese group of participants, the low-carbohydrate and
    Mediterranean diets had some beneficial metabolic effects, a result
    suggesting that these dietary strategies might be considered in
    clinical practice and that diets might be individualized according
    to personal preferences and metabolic needs. The similar caloric
    deficit achieved in all diet groups suggests that a
    low-carbohydrate, non–restricted-calorie diet may be optimal for
    those who will not follow a restricted-calorie dietary regimen.
    The increasing improvement in levels of some biomarkers over time
    up to the 24-month point, despite the achievement of maximum weight
    loss by 6 months, suggests that a diet with a healthful composition
    has benefits beyond weight reduction."

News reports about this study:

Low-carb diet beats other diets in study
<http://edition.cnn.com/2008/HEALTH/diet.fitness/07/16/dueling.diets.ap/index.htm
l?eref=rss_health
>
<http://tinyurl.com/6rhfnq>

Low-carb beats low-fat in diet duel
Those eating fewer carbs also had lower cholesterol, surprising study finds
<http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25708495/>

Low-fat Diets May Not Be Best For Weight Loss, Study Suggests
<http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/07/080716171134.htm>

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Matti Narkia - 17 Jul 2008 12:07 GMT
> The New England Journal of Medicine (NEJM) has today published the
> results of two-year randomized controlled clinical trial (N=322)
[quoted text clipped - 85 lines]
> Low-fat Diets May Not Be Best For Weight Loss, Study Suggests
> <http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/07/080716171134.htm>

Two more news reports:

Low-Carb and Mediterranean Diets Beat Low-Fat for Weight Loss, Lipid
Changes at 2 Years
<http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/577593?src=rss>

(requires free registration)

Diet Debate: 3 Top Plans Go Toe to Toe
Researchers Say Mediterranean and Low-Carb Diets Are Good Alternatives
to Low-Fat Plan
<http://www.webmd.com/diet/news/20080716/diet-debate-3-top-plans-go-toe-to-toe?sr
c=RSS_PUBLIC
>
<http://tinyurl.com/5vsvb8>

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Matti Narkia - 17 Jul 2008 13:26 GMT
>> The New England Journal of Medicine (NEJM) has today published the
>> results of two-year randomized controlled clinical trial (N=322)
[quoted text clipped - 53 lines]
>> The full text of the article seems also to be free, although to read
>> it a free registrations is probably required.

[snip]

>> News reports about this study:

[snip]

> Low-Carb and Mediterranean Diets Beat Low-Fat for Weight Loss, Lipid
> Changes at 2 Years
> <http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/577593?src=rss>
>
> (requires free registration)

Medscape's report is very clear and most detailed and accurate of
the all the news reports. It represents some results in easily
readable table format. Here is Medscape's representation of the
weight loss data:

"Weight loss

Group           Low-fat (kg)   Mediterranean (kg)  Low-carb (kg)
All patients      –2.9            –4.4               –4.7
All completers    –3.3            –4.6               –5.5
Men               –3.4            –4.0               –4.9
Women             –0.1            –6.2               –2.4"

As can be seen the low-carb diet was best for men for weight loss,
followed by the Mediterranean diet, but Mediterranean diet was the
best for women, followed by the low-carb diet.

Medscape's presentation of lipid changes is as follows:

"Lipid changes

Parameter   Low-fat (mg/dL) Low-carb (mg/dL) Mediterranean (mg/dL)
HDL           +6.4             +8.4                +6.3
LDL           –0.05            –3.0                –5.6
Triglycerides –2.8            –23.7               –21.8
Total         –0.6          –1.1                –0.9
cholesterol/
HDL ratio"

As can be seen, the important Total cholesterol/HDL ratio improved
most in the low-carb diet and the Mediterranean diet was very close
second. LDL was lowered most by Mediterranean diet followed by low-carb
diet. Low-carb diet raised HDL most. Triglycerides were lowered most
by low-carb and Mediterranean diets.

Finally, below some selected comments from the end of the Medscape
report:

"- The mean BMI changes were –1.0, –1.5, and –1.5 kg/m2, respectively.

- All groups had significant decreases in blood pressure and waist
circumference, with no difference among the 3 groups.

-  Waist circumference was decreased by 2.8, 3.5, and 3.8 cm in the
low-fat, Mediterranean, and low-carbohydrate groups, respectively.

- Systolic blood pressure was reduced by 4.3, 5.5, and 3.9 mm Hg,
respectively.

- HDL cholesterol levels increased in all groups, with the greatest
increase in the low-carbohydrate group (8.4 mg/dL).

- Triglyceride levels decreased significantly, with the greatest
decrease seen in the low-carbohydrate group (2.7 mg/dL).

- The ratio of total to HDL cholesterol decreased in all 3 groups,
greatest in the low-carbohydrate group (20%).

- C-reactive protein decreased significantly in the Mediterranean and
low-carbohydrate groups.

- In the 36 participants with diabetes, only those in the Mediterranean
group had a significant reduction in fasting plasma glucose levels (32.8
mg/dL).

- Hemoglobin A1c rates decreased by 0.4%, 0.5%, and 0.9% in the low-fat,
Mediterranean, and low-carbohydrate groups, respectively.

- The Mediterranean and low-carbohydrate diets were feasible
alternatives to the low-fat diet with some benefits, and personal
preference could drive tailoring of diets for weight loss."

Notice especially that the very important cardiovascular risk factor
C-reactive protein (CRP) was reduced significantly only in the
Mediterranean and low-carbohydrate groups.

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Matti Narkia - 17 Jul 2008 15:04 GMT
>>> The New England Journal of Medicine (NEJM) has today published the
>>> results of two-year randomized controlled clinical trial (N=322)
[quoted text clipped - 68 lines]
> the all the news reports. It represents some results in easily
> readable table format.

The news report

Low-carb and Mediterranean diets beat low-fat for weight-loss, lipid
changes at two years
<http://www.theheart.org/viewArticle.do?primaryKey=882281&nl_id=tho16jul08>

is also very good, comparable to Medscape's report

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Matti Narkia - 17 Jul 2008 19:31 GMT
>>>> The New England Journal of Medicine (NEJM) has today published the
>>>> results of two-year randomized controlled clinical trial (N=322)
[quoted text clipped - 75 lines]
>
> is also very good, comparable to Medscape's report

In fact these two reports are almost identical, the only differences
are the comments in the end. Both are based on the Heartwire's (WebMD's
service) report, and the original version is in www.theheart.org.

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Ron Peterson - 18 Jul 2008 04:59 GMT
> The New England Journal of Medicine (NEJM) has today published the
> results of two-year randomized controlled clinical trial (N=322)

The diets are varying too many nutrients to allow one to establish
reasonable conclusions.

I would have like to seen how muscle mass varied among the different
groups. Higher protein consumption in the low-carb diet should result
in increased muscle mass along with a higher metabolism.

The Mediterranean diet and the low-fat diet seemed to be low in omega
3 and omega 6 fatty acids.

--
   Ron
Matti Narkia - 18 Jul 2008 12:04 GMT
> The Mediterranean diet and the low-fat diet seemed to be low in omega
> 3 and omega 6 fatty acids.

I doubt that. The full text of the study does not support your
assumption and neither does Medscape's excellent report about the
study.  One of the characteristics of Mediterranean diet is its
fairly high omega-3 content, especially alpha-linolenic acid.
The Mediterranean diet in the study was based on the recommendations
of Harvard's Walter C Willett and Patrick J Skerrett. I don't think
that they could have failed the include omega-3s typical in
Mediterranean diet. Similarly, the low-fat, restricted-calorie diet
was based on American Heart Association (AHA) guidelines, which are
presented in the article

Krauss RM, Eckel RH, Howard B, Appel LJ, Daniels SR, Deckelbaum RJ,
Erdman JW Jr, Kris-Etherton P, Goldberg IJ, Kotchen TA, Lichtenstein AH,
Mitch WE, Mullis R, Robinson K, Wylie-Rosett J, St Jeor S, Suttie J,
Tribble DL, Bazzarre TL.
AHA Dietary Guidelines: revision 2000: A statement for healthcare
professionals from the Nutrition Committee of the American Heart
Association.
Circulation. 2000 Oct 31;102(18):2284-99.
PMID: 11056107
<http://circ.ahajournals.org/cgi/content/full/102/18/2284>

These guidelines specifically refer also to importance  of omega-3
fatty acids.

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Matti Narkia - 18 Jul 2008 12:13 GMT
>> The Mediterranean diet and the low-fat diet seemed to be low in omega
>> 3 and omega 6 fatty acids.
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
> These guidelines specifically refer also to importance  of omega-3
> fatty acids.

As for omega-6 fatty acids, we get them so much from various foods,
most often too much, so that it would be very difficult, almost
impossible, to construct a palatatable diet, which would have too
low omega-6 content.

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Matti Narkia - 18 Jul 2008 12:50 GMT
>>> The Mediterranean diet and the low-fat diet seemed to be low in omega
>>> 3 and omega 6 fatty acids.
[quoted text clipped - 28 lines]
> impossible, to construct a palatatable diet, which would have too
> low omega-6 content.

According to the news report

Low-fat Diets May Not Be Best For Weight Loss, Study Suggests
<http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/07/080716171134.htm>

the principal author Dr. Iris Shai conceived the study with Harvard's
Dr. Stampfer, the senior author, while she was a Fulbright fellow at
Harvard School of Public Health and Channing Laboratory in Boston,
Massachusetts. Meir Stampfer is one of the authors of the study in
question and a very remarkable scientist. Harvard's press release

HSPH Department Chairs Meir Stampfer and Walter Willett Most Cited
Scientists of the Decade in Clinical Medicine
Harvard School of Public Health Press Release, Friday, September 23,
2005
<http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/press/releases/press09232005.html>

from September 23, 2005, writes about him as follows:

    "Meir Stampfer, Chair of the Department of Epidemiology at the
    Harvard School of Public Health (HSPH) has been ranked the number
    one most cited scientist in clinical medicine for the last decade.
    According to ISI Essential Science Indicators, 376 of his published
    research findings were cited nearly 31,000 times between 1995 and
    August of 2005."

Dr. Stampfer's web page at Harvard:

Meir Stampfer
Professor of Nutrition and Epidemiology
Department of Epidemiology
Department of Nutrition
<http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/faculty/meir-stampfer/>

I don't think that a major force like Stampfer would have allowed
his  name to be used in this study, if there were any doubts about its
quality.

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Ron Peterson - 18 Jul 2008 15:28 GMT
> As for omega-6 fatty acids, we get them so much from various foods,
> most often too much, so that it would be very difficult, almost
> impossible, to construct a palatatable diet, which would have too
> low omega-6 content.

http://www.commonvoice.com/article.asp?colid=5978 shows that butter
and  beef tallow are extremely low in omega 6 (and omega 3) fatty
acids. In the study, the Mediterranean diet used olive oil instead of
the canola oil which was used in the original Mediterranean diet
study. (Olive oil is low in both omega 6 and omega 3 fatty acids).

Is there any study that shows that substituting omega 6 fatty acids
for SFA or MUFA is unhealthy in terms of cardio-vascular disease?

--
  Ron
Matti Narkia - 18 Jul 2008 16:15 GMT
>> As for omega-6 fatty acids, we get them so much from various foods,
>> most often too much, so that it would be very difficult, almost
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> and  beef tallow are extremely low in omega 6 (and omega 3) fatty
> acids.

What that has to do with this study and your assumption? You were
guessing that "The Mediterranean diet and the low-fat diet seemed
to be low in omega3 and omega 6 fatty acids". The Mediterranean diet
and the low-fat diet by definition don't use much butter or beef
tallow, usually not any.

> In the study, the Mediterranean diet used olive oil instead of
> the canola oil which was used in the original Mediterranean diet
> study. (Olive oil is low in both omega 6 and omega 3 fatty acids).

Olive oil is an integral part of Mediterranean diet. The diet
which does not use olive oil is not a Mediterranean diet. In
the Cretan traditional Mediterranean diet omega-3s were obtained
from wild herbs and walnuts (alpha-linolenic acid), and from fish
(EPA and DHA). If wild herbs and/or walnuts have not been used in
some Mediterranean diet studies, alpha-linolenic acid has been
obtained from other sources, for example canola oil, which then
have been used _in addition_ to the olive oil. I have not any
reason to suspect that fish was not made available in the
Mediterranean diet group of this study, and because the
Mediterranean diet in this study was based on the recommendations
of Harvard's Walter C Willett and Patrick J Skerrett, I'm fairly
confident that alpha-linolenic acid was also made available,
perhaps in the form a few walnuts daily.

Olive oil contains over 10% of omega-6 linoleic acid
(<http://www.fineli.fi/food.php?foodid=536&lang=en>), and both
low-fat diet and Mediterranean diet typically contain so much
vegetables, many of which are good sources of omega-6s, that
there cannot have been any shortage of omega-6s in these diets.

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Matti Narkia - 18 Jul 2008 16:32 GMT
>>> As for omega-6 fatty acids, we get them so much from various foods,
>>> most often too much, so that it would be very difficult, almost
[quoted text clipped - 35 lines]
> vegetables, many of which are good sources of omega-6s, that
> there cannot have been any shortage of omega-6s in these diets.

An excerpt fro the study text:

    "Mediterranean Diet

    The moderate-fat, restricted-calorie, Mediterranean diet was
    rich in vegetables and low in red meat, with poultry and fish
    replacing beef and lamb. We restricted energy intake to 1500
    kcal per day for women and 1800 kcal per day for men, with a
    goal of no more than 35% of calories from fat; the main sources
    of added fat were 30 to 45 g of olive oil and a handful of
    nuts (five to seven nuts, <20 g) per day. The diet is based on
    the recommendations of Willett and Skerrett."

So fish was used and therefore the source of omega-3 EPA and
DHA was available. Nuts were also used, although the type of the
nuts is not specified in this excerpt. Nuts are very fatty and
good sources of unsaturated fats including omega-6s. From olive
oil alone the participants of the Mediterranean diet group got
3.1 - 4.7 g omega-6s per day. Clearly there cannot have been any
shortage of omega-6s in this group.

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Matti Narkia - 18 Jul 2008 21:18 GMT
>>>> As for omega-6 fatty acids, we get them so much from various foods,
>>>> most often too much, so that it would be very difficult, almost
[quoted text clipped - 51 lines]
> So fish was used and therefore the source of omega-3 EPA and
> DHA was available.

In the supplementary appendix of the study at

<http://content.nejm.org/cgi/data/359/3/229/DC1/1>

it is mentioned that the Mediterranean diet group had 2 fish
meals/week. This alone should have guaranteed sufficient supply
of omega-3 fatty acids.

> Nuts were also used, although the type of the
> nuts is not specified in this excerpt. Nuts are very fatty and
> good sources of unsaturated fats including omega-6s. From olive
> oil alone the participants of the Mediterranean diet group got
> 3.1 - 4.7 g omega-6s per day. Clearly there cannot have been any
> shortage of omega-6s in this group.

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Ron Peterson - 20 Jul 2008 06:06 GMT
> it is mentioned that the Mediterranean diet group had 2 fish
> meals/week. This alone should have guaranteed sufficient supply
> of omega-3 fatty acids.

http://www.webmd.com/news/20000314/best-heart-benefits-from-canola-fish-oils-not
-olive-oil

indicates that canola oil is a better choice than olive oil. And, I
believe that the Lyon heart study also used canola oil.

Although small amounts of omega 3 fatty acids have a large benefit, I
would like to know what is the optimal amount of omega 3 fatty acid
intake and if fish doesn't supply that amount, doesn't it make sense
to use oils like canola to make up the difference.

> > Nuts were also used, although the type of the
> > nuts is not specified in this excerpt. Nuts are very fatty and
> > good sources of unsaturated fats including omega-6s. From olive
> > oil alone the participants of the Mediterranean diet group got
> > 3.1 - 4.7 g omega-6s per day. Clearly there cannot have been any
> > shortage of omega-6s in this group.

If a person is getting 10+ g of saturated fat, I would think that PUFA
intake should be comparable.

My point is that the diet study wasn't well designed because several
nutrients were being varied instead of 1 or two.

The subjects should also have been observed in more detail to get some
idea of muscle loss which is common in dieting.

--
  Ron
Matti Narkia - 20 Jul 2008 11:33 GMT
>> it is mentioned that the Mediterranean diet group had 2 fish
>> meals/week. This alone should have guaranteed sufficient supply
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> intake and if fish doesn't supply that amount, doesn't it make sense
> to use oils like canola to make up the difference.

Long chain omega-3s EPA and DHA are needed in our metabolism for
various important purposes. Whether dietary alpha-linolenic acid
(ALA) has other uses for us than to serve as a precursor to EPA
and DHA is still a matter a discussion. In any case the evidence
about its potential benefits is weaker that the evidence for
EPA and DHA. The conversion of ALA to EPA and especially to DHA
in our bodies is very inefficient and even unreliable, especially
in men. Therefore it has been suggested that for optimal health
EPA and DHA should be obtained directly from the diet, for example
from fish or fish oil, and not to rely on conversion of ALA to EPA
and DHA. As for the amounts see for example the following excerpt
from the review article

Gebauer SK, Psota TL, Harris WS, Kris-Etherton PM.
n-3 fatty acid dietary recommendations and food sources to achieve
essentiality and cardiovascular benefits.
Am J Clin Nutr. 2006 Jun;83(6 Suppl):1526S-1535S. Review.
PMID: 16841863
<http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/full/83/6/S1526> :

    "The evidence base supports a dietary recommendation of
    {approx}500 mg/d of EPA and DHA for cardiovascular disease
    risk reduction. For treatment of existing cardiovascular disease,
    1 g/d is recommended. These recommendations have been embraced by
    many health agencies worldwide. A dietary strategy for achieving
    the 500-mg/d recommendation is to consume 2 fish meals per week
    (preferably fatty fish). Foods enriched with EPA and DHA or fish
    oil supplements are a suitable alternate to achieve recommended
    intakes and may be necessary to achieve intakes of 1 g/d."

See also the articles

Essential Fatty Acids
<http://lpi.oregonstate.edu/infocenter/othernuts/omega3fa/>

and

Wang C, Harris WS, Chung M, Lichtenstein AH, Balk EM, Kupelnick B,
Jordan HS, Lau J.
n-3 Fatty acids from fish or fish-oil supplements, but not
alpha-linolenic acid, benefit cardiovascular disease outcomes in
primary- and secondary-prevention studies: a systematic review.
Am J Clin Nutr. 2006 Jul;84(1):5-17. Review.
PMID: 16825676
<http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/full/84/1/5>

Canola oil is a type of North-American rapeseed oil. I haven't seen
Canola oil in those parts of Europe where I have lived and traveled,
but I have seen and used a lot of rapeseed oil. Canola oil or more
generally, rapeseed oil, is not "better" than olive oil, but it can
be used _in addition_ to olive oil to provide ALA which olive oil
does not have. Other good sources ALA are for example flaxseed and
walnuts. Olive oil's health benefits are not based only to its fatty
acids, mostly monounsaturated oleic acid, but perhaps more on its
unique phenolic compounds. Rapeseed oil (Canola oil) does not have
the same compounds, so it cannot be be used to _replace_ olive oil,
if the full benefits of olive oil are wanted, but it can be used to
_complement_ olive oil to provide ALA.

As for the diet of the Lyon Diet Heart Study, see the following
excerpt from the article

Kris-Etherton P, Eckel RH, Howard BV, St Jeor S, Bazzarre TL; Nutrition
Committee Population Science Committee and Clinical Science Committee of
the American Heart Association.
AHA Science Advisory: Lyon Diet Heart Study. Benefits of a
Mediterranean-style, National Cholesterol Education Program/American
Heart Association Step I Dietary Pattern on Cardiovascular Disease.
Circulation. 2001 Apr 3;103(13):1823-5.
PMID: 11282918
<http://www.circ.ahajournals.org/cgi/content/full/103/13/1823> :

    "The Lyon Diet Heart Study, a randomized, controlled trial
    with free-living subjects, tested the effectiveness of a
    Mediterranean-type diet (consistent with the new AHA Dietary
    Guidelines) on composite measures of the coronary recurrence
    rate after a first myocardial infarction. Subjects in the
    experimental group were instructed by the research cardiologist
    and dietitian to adopt a Mediterranean-type diet that contained
    more bread, more root vegetables and green vegetables, more
    fish, fruit at least once daily, less red meat (replaced with
    poultry), and margarine supplied by the study to replace butter
    and cream. The saturated fatty acid (15% kcal) and oleic acid
    (48% kcal but 5.4% kcal 18:1 trans) contents in the margarine
    were comparable to those in olive oil, with the exception that
    the margarine was higher in linoleic acid (16.4% versus 8.6%
    kcal) and more so in {alpha}-linolenic acid (4.8% versus 0.6%
    kcal). Exclusive use of rapeseed oil and olive oil was
    recommended for salads and food preparation. Use of olive oil
    exclusively was not recommended because it was not acceptable
    as the only oil source in the diet. Wine in moderation was
    allowed with meals."

>>> Nuts were also used, although the type of the
>>> nuts is not specified in this excerpt. Nuts are very fatty and
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> If a person is getting 10+ g of saturated fat, I would think that PUFA
> intake should be comparable.

Where did you get that 10 g? Are you sure you are not confusing grams
with percents of energy? You were most concerned about low-fat and
Mediterranean groups in the study. From

Table 2.  Changes in Dietary Intake, Energy Expenditure, and Urinary
Ketones during 2 Years of Intervention.
<http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/full/359/3/229/T2>

you can see that they obtained in average about 9.6% of the energy from
saturated fat, which is less than 10%.

> My point is that the diet study wasn't well designed because several
> nutrients were being varied instead of 1 or two.

I totally and profoundly disagree with you. This is a large, long
term (2 years), well-designed and well-published (NEJM) study, which
compared well-designed and well-known diets, not individual nutrients.

> The subjects should also have been observed in more detail to get some
> idea of muscle loss which is common in dieting.

In that I can agree with you, but then very few similar diet studies do
that.

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Ron Peterson - 21 Jul 2008 02:55 GMT
> > If a person is getting 10+ g of saturated fat, I would think that PUFA
> > intake should be comparable.

> Where did you get that 10 g? Are you sure you are not confusing grams
> with percents of energy? You were most concerned about low-fat and
> Mediterranean groups in the study. From

I may have been thinking 10%.

> you can see that they obtained in average about 9.6% of the energy from
> saturated fat, which is less than 10%.

If 10% of a 2000 calorie diet is saturated fat, then that would
correspond to 200/9 = 22.2 g.

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   Ron
Matti Narkia - 21 Jul 2008 08:06 GMT
>>> If a person is getting 10+ g of saturated fat, I would think that PUFA
>>> intake should be comparable.
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> If 10% of a 2000 calorie diet is saturated fat, then that would
> correspond to 200/9 = 22.2 g.

So? 10% was the limit for saturated fat in those AHA's guidelines which
the low-fat diet in the study was based on. As far as I know the obtained
9.6% is less than 10%.

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Matti Narkia - 19 Jul 2008 17:29 GMT
> The New England Journal of Medicine (NEJM) has today published the
> results of two-year randomized controlled clinical trial (N=322)
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> which compared the efficacy and health effects of low-carb,
> Mediterranean and low-fat diets in weight loss.

Now at last the study is also in the Medline database. Its Medline
reference is

Shai I, Schwarzfuchs D, Henkin Y, Shahar DR, Witkow S, Greenberg I,
Golan R, Fraser D, Bolotin A, Vardi H, Tangi-Rozental O, Zuk-Ramot R,
Sarusi B, Brickner D, Schwartz Z, Sheiner E, Marko R, Katorza E, Thiery
J, Fiedler GM, Blüher M, Stumvoll M, Stampfer MJ; Dietary Intervention
Randomized Controlled Trial (DIRECT) Group.
Weight loss with a low-carbohydrate, Mediterranean, or low-fat diet.
N Engl J Med. 2008 Jul 17;359(3):229-41.
PMID: 18635428
<http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/full/359/3/229>

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Laurie - 21 Jul 2008 15:31 GMT
> ... diets in weight loss.
http://ecologos.org/obese.htm

    Laurie
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Scientifically-credible info on plant-based human diets:
http://ecologos.org/ttdd.html
news:alt.food.vegan.science

Leonardo - 21 Jul 2008 21:38 GMT
> > ... diets in weight loss.
>
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> Scientifically-credible info on plant-based human diets:http://ecologos.org/ttdd.html
> news:alt.food.vegan.science

The usual "humans are frugivores" vegetarian bullshit tales that we
have come to expect from you.

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