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Medical Forum / General / Nutrition / June 2008The beginning of my paleolithic addiction to fish oil?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtml?xml=/earth/2008/06/11/eamonkey111.xml mikev > http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtml?xml=/earth/2008/06/11/eam... Ingesting the whole fish in raw is different from consuming the refined oil. Also not sure what part of the fish the monkies prefer for eating. Wild "free range" fish is also different from the farmed grain-fed crap having less fat I guess. Taka > http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtml?xml=/earth/2008/06/11/eam... "Other primates with fishing expertise include Japanese macaques, chacma baboons, olive baboons, chimpanzees and orangutans." Has anyone found any information about chimp "fishing expertise"? I already know the orangutan "fishing expertise" was sensationalized. The orangutan fishing video premiered last year on Orangutan Island TV show, sponsored by Long John Silvers. The show featured endangered, orphaned, extirpated orangutans (normally nomadic but conditioned to mimic more frequently as an extended family out of habitat) on isolated island still partially fed by biologists. Domesticated orangutan (Jupiter) took two bites of a trapped fish waiting in tide pool (normally without natural predators). In the artificial setting another orangutan mimicked Jupiter. The commentator exclaimed, "We're watching evolution right before our eyes!" After a question about how human teeth resembled orangutan's, Long John Silver commercial followed. That seemed to be the extent of the pescetarian behavior but now I see the link:http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtml?xml=/ earth/2008/04/28/eaorang128.xml and this shows a more ambitious orangutan attempting to mimic human fishing and he sharpened the stick first. I wouldn't doubt a chimp or two has been documented fishing as they use honey on their sticks to fish termites but I just can't find anything on it yet. Chris >> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtml?xml=/earth/2008/06/11/eam... > [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > Chris Hi Chris: Interesting. Nothing is really new. Mother always taught me that you could catch more termites with honey than with vinegar! If some primates have been shown to be capable of symbolic communication skills comparable to human, how long can it be before bait fishing from a floating log are reported? :-) MikeV > >>http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtml?xml=/earth/2008/06/11/eam... > [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > floating log are reported? :-) > MikeV > >>http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtml?xml=/earth/2008/06/11/eam... > [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > skills comparable to human, how long can it be before bait fishing from a > floating log are reported? :-) Mike, as I look closer, it seems more like orphaned orangutans are being trained to fish at the rescue center rather than adapting to fish in natural habitat. In the last message I wrote: >> "orangutan attempting to mimic human fishing and he sharpened the stick first. Correction: orangutan did NOT sharpen a stick. "The orangutan used one of the fishermen's poles to try and spear the fish as they swam by but didn't quite have the necessary dexterity. Instead he used the stick to hook out fallen fruit as it floated by." http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtml?xml=/earth/2008/04/28/eaorang128.xml The title of the article is misleading: "Orangutan goes fishing with sharpened stick" I thought the orangutan sharpened the stick so this seemed like something new. It seems now like orangutans are eating fruit IN SPITE of human influence instead of naturally adapting to fish. For the purpose of honesty, the title should read: "Biologists try to save money on Orangutan food & try to attract another fast food restaurant to sponsor the next episode of Orangutan Island by trying to teach orangutans to fish." Although chimps/orangutans are more intelligent than macaques, all chimp & orangutan subspecies are endangered and continue to be hunted in deforested habitat. Macaques are more urbanized and omnivorous and I guess you could say more adaptable since they haven't been devastated as much by human activity/urban sprawl. http://www.wii.gov.in/envis/primates/downloads/page30bonnet.pdf The rehabilitation program at Borneo Orangutan Survival Foundation's Orangutan Island, may help the survival of orangutans before any chance of adapting to fish. And Jane Goodall may save chimps before they (would) adapt to fish. Maybe more habitat loss is needed in Borneo to increase orangutans selective pressure for sharper dexterity but there just aren't enough orangutans or chimps left for this test. http://www.whole-systems.org/extinctions.html And this wave of extinction is faster than the previous one. We haven't even finished the last interglacial period from the current Ice Age. http://www.rewilding.org/thesixthgreatextinction.htm http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/ad/Extinctions_Africa_Austrailia_NAme rica_Madagascar.gif So assisting apes to fish may help them survive the third wave of the Pleistocene-Holocene Extinction Event, since adapting to human activity is at least as important as adapting within natural habitat now. Chris |
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