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Medical Forum / General / Nutrition / June 2008Atkins diet
Is Atkins diet is useful in reducing fat? > Is Atkins diet is useful in reducing fat? Any diet that lowers fat storage hormones (insulin, cortisol) and improves lean body mass retention is. Susan It does work remarkably well for some people, both in losing weight and lowering lipids. I think it can act as a good short term measure(6-12 months) but over the long term a high fat high protein diet just carries too many risks. John. > Is Atkins diet is useful in reducing fat? > It does work remarkably well for some people, both in losing weight and > lowering lipids. I think it can act as a good short term measure(6-12 > months) but over the long term a high fat high protein diet just carries too > many risks. No, it doesn't. First of all, Atkins is high fat, not any higher protein than a standard diet. Second, long term risks come from higher glucose and insulin levels, high triglycerides and low HDL. Low carb diets raise HDL and drop TGLs like a rock, a pattern that's a marker for large, fluffy, undamaging LDL, no matter how high it is. Lower glucose and HbA1c are associated with longevity and health. Atkins and other low carb diets achieve both. Fat and protein are the only essential macronutrients in human health; we have no dietary requirement for carbs at all, though some are good for us when available. Susan > Is Atkins diet is useful in reducing fat? Yes it does. And it works long term if you stick to it, which is a lot easier to do than any other diet. Just stick with the best quality whole foods and stay away from processed crap like even Atkins sold, like the atkins bars.Those bars are still just a bunch of processed crap. Eat real food, it is naturally low carb and so tasty. Just think BBQ! >> Is Atkins diet is useful in reducing fat? A deadly fad. http://www.ecologos.org/anxiety.htm http://ecologos.org/keto.htm http://www.all-creatures.org/mfz/health-atkins-mg.html http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=509&e=6&u=/ap/20050801/ap_on_bi_ge/atk ins_bankruptcy http://ecologos.org/ttdd.html#meat Laurie  SignatureScientifically-credible info on plant-based human diets: http://ecologos.org/ttdd.html news:alt.food.vegan.science > A deadly fad. > http://www.ecologos.org/anxiety.htm [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Laurie If we weren't supposed to eat animals, they wouldn't be made of meat. And vegans get all those pesky cancers, ovarian, breast, prostate... along with B12 deficiencies, which may explain their inability to think clearly. Susan > x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Susan Also malnourished kids are dropping like flies. Some vegans have been charged, and rightly so, with endangering their children. http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/scotland/article4087977.ece And they presume to tell us how to eat. > If we weren't supposed to eat animals, they wouldn't be > made of meat. TCCampbell; The China Study http://tinyurl.com/2v689m video http://tinyurl.com/6lcda6 discovered that the human consumption of animal proteins and animal fats was THE cause of currently-popular "degenerative diseases". > And vegans get all those pesky cancers, ovarian, breast, > prostate... http://ecologos.org/ttdd.html#meat for a summary of animal flesh consumption and various 'diseases'. You, and any honest person, will have to agree that the evidence is pretty much undeniable; at least for those who value science and logic. Believe what you want, that is your choice; but my choice will be to refute unsupportable, false, misleading, meatarian propaganda for the interest and benefit of the honest folks here who need valid information. You will please notice that I have copious scientifically-credible citations, well over 700, to back up ALL my claims. I would therefore require you to refute my citations with countervailing claims by equally-prestigious, peer-reviewed scientific literature. If you can not deal with the biochemistry involved, please do not waste my time. I am not interested in shouting matches with idiots, and and will NOT participate. Personal insults, vulgarity, name-calling, and generally oafish behavior will be dealt with immediately by blocking your posts from my sight, thus banishing you from my consciousness. > ... along with B12 deficiencies, ... http://ecologos.org/B-12.htm > ... which may explain their inability to think clearly. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/6180753.stm Can you PLEASE support your claims with real science, or are you going to try to overwhelm me with juvenile behavior? Try to be polite and support your claims with real science, mindless propaganda and further insults will not be tolerated. Laurie SignatureScientifically-credible info on plant-based human diets: http://ecologos.org/ttdd.html news:alt.food.vegan.science > > If we weren't supposed to eat animals, they wouldn't be > > made of meat. [quoted text clipped - 54 lines] > Scientifically-credible info on plant-based human diets:http://ecologos.org/ttdd.html > news:alt.food.vegan.science Here is a site that is just overflowing with real science. Tons of cites. http://www.westonaprice.org/splash_2.htm > > If we weren't supposed to eat animals, they wouldn't be > > made of meat. A clearly fallacious argument. > TCCampbell; The China Study It's not a peer reviewed scientific study. > discovered that the human consumption of animal proteins and > animal fats was THE cause of currently-popular "degenerative > diseases". Since the human digestion breaks down proteins into amino acids, it shouldn't matter whether the protein comes from plants or animals. Fats are composed of fatty acids, so which fatty acids do you think are harmful? Aren't those fatty acids available in both animals and plants? -- Ron > Since the human digestion breaks down proteins into amino acids, it shouldn't matter whether the protein comes from plants or animals. Unfortunately, you understanding of protein digestion is too simple and it leads you to false conclusions. The foul smelling feces of the human meat eater is powerful evidence that animal proteins are not digested well, and putrefactive bacteria in the large intestine consume the undigested animal protein to produce foul smelling amine (-NH2) compounds. These include such highly-characteristic, odors in the form of toxic amines, such as indole, skatol, indican, putrescine [NH2(CH2)4NH2], and cadaverine [NH2(CH2)5NH2] (all from tryptophan), neurine, and ptomatropine, is clear evidence that their proteins were not digested properly, for if they had been, there would be no amines, or residual nitrogen, for the putrefactive bacteria in the colon to metabolize to produce these odors. Properly digested proteins would produce no offensive amine compounds, since all the protein would have been digested to amino acids which are absorbed into the body, leaving none in the colon to support the putrefactive bacteria. http://ecologos.org/denature.htm > Fats are composed of fatty acids, so which fatty acids do you think are harmful? Aren't those fatty acids available in both animals and plants? The fats in animals and plants are very different, just as their respective proteins are very, very different in structure and function. http://ecologos.org/ttdd.html#meat TCCampbell’s study can not be ignored, at least not by rational folks. Laurie > > Since the human digestion breaks down proteins into amino > > acids, it shouldn't matter whether the protein comes from > > plants or animals. > Unfortunately, you understanding of protein digestion > is too simple and it leads you to false conclusions. http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/reprint/34/9/1893 indicates that meat protein is more digestible than bean protein. The human body naturally has bacteria in the intestines and it's beneficial. If anything, by not consuming fruit, vegetables, beans, and grains, the Atkins diet would have an inadequate amount of fiber to beed those beneficial bacteria. -- Ron > x-no-archive: yes > If we weren't supposed to eat animals, they wouldn't be made of meat. If we weren't supposed to think, we wouldn't have a brain. > And vegans get all those pesky cancers, ovarian, breast, prostate... Do a pubmed search on "vegan cancer" to check your claim. A very-low-fat vegan diet increases intake of protective dietary factors and decreases intake of pathogenic dietary factors. There is increasing evidence that dietary factors in plant-based diets are important in the prevention of chronic disease. J Am Diet Assoc. 2008 Feb;108(2):347-56. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18237581?ordinalpos=4&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEn trez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum Biol Pharm Bull. 2008 Mar;31(3):534-7. The flavouring phytochemical 2-pentanone reduces prostaglandin production and COX-2 expression in colon cancer cells. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18310926?ordinalpos=2&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEn trez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum "However, people on a low-protein, low-calorie diet had considerably lower levels of a particular plasma growth factor called IGF-1 than equally lean endurance runners," says the study's first author Luigi Fontana, M.D., Ph.D., assistant professor of medicine at Washington University and an investigator at the Istituto Superiore di Sanità in Rome, Italy. "That suggests to us that a diet lower in protein may have a greater protective effect against cancer than endurance exercise, independently of body fat mass." http://mednews.wustl.edu/news/page/normal/8388.html > along with B12 deficiencies, which may explain their inability to think > clearly. > > Susan Then do a search for "meat cancer" or "dairy cancer" to contrast. Just go down the list or randomly pick recent studies. “This case-control study examined different food groups in relation to breast cancer. Between 2002 and 2004, 437 cases and 922 controls matched according to age and area of residence were interviewed. Diet was measured by a validated food frequency questionnaire”… “Breast cancer risk increased by 56% for each additional 100 g/day of meat consumption.” Nutr Cancer 2008 Mar-Apr;60(2):177-87. “The breast cancer (BC) death rate in Oklahoma exceeds that of the United States. OBJECTIVE: To assess dietary changes of BC survivors….. Only 30% of women received any specific dietary advice from their physician, but over half said they would like more information. Most common dietary changes included decreased consumption of sugar, sweets, and regular soda, red meats, shortening, margarine, high fat dairy products, and alcohol. Okla State Med Assoc 2008 Jan;101(1):15-9. "Higher intake of meats, particularly red meats, and lower intake of vegetables were associated with an increased risk of esophageal adenocarcinoma, while higher intake of meats, particularly poultry, and high-fat dairy was associated with increased risk of gastric cardia adenocarcinoma". http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18537156?ordinalpos=1&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEn trez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum > Is Atkins diet is useful in reducing fat? There are better high fat low carb diets than Atkins. If one is willing to cook up a little wheat bran, this cereal fiber won't blow up carb limit in such a diet if used in moderation. Some suggest oat bran though it is quite high in carbs. |
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