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Medical Forum / General / Nutrition / May 2008How much money would you save per month if you went 'Supplement Free"??
Add up all those Vitamins and Supplements you buy every month, how money is that? What could you do with that much money extra per month? Life is short, stop acting like you'll live diaper-free to 100 years of age. At my peak of supplement buying I was spending $250 per month every month. Then I dumped the supplements and could then ENJOY SOME HOBBIES I couldn't previously afford. I was finally having some FUN in life. So, how much money did you save? > At my peak of supplement buying I was spending $250 per month > every month. Then I dumped the supplements and could then > ENJOY SOME HOBBIES I couldn't previously afford. It's more like $5 a month for me. I take generic products, and only the ones that make sense. That's almost nothing. I spend more than that on seaweed, canned corn, or dried pasta. Much more on chocolate, frozen fish, or bottled water. Stopping the natural vitamin E (d-alpha-tocopherol) saved the most money, and it eliminated the tiny blood hemorrhages that occurred in the thin skin at the base of my fingernails. They occur as tiny dark purple (almost black) lines parallel to the growth direction of the fingernail. These hemorrhages may also be occurring in other parts of the body where you can't see them. I don't like the idea that they might be related to Alzheimer's or other diseases whose etiology is currently poorly understood. Stopping vitamin E stopped the hemorrhages very quickly. I still get a little vitamin E in the multivitamin supplement I take, but not enough to cause those hemorrhages. Enough to ensure I don't have a deficiency, but not so much to make my blood vessels leak into the surrounding tissues. > > At my peak of supplement buying I was spending $250 per month > > every month. Then I dumped the supplements and could then [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > I don't have a deficiency, but not so much to make > my blood vessels leak into the surrounding tissues. It sounds to me as if you are low in vitamin K. You'd better increase your intake of dark green veggies even more lettuce will help. Most people eat too little vitamin K. In people with a marginal diets extra vitamin E will likely out compete vitamin K for absorption. You need spinach, natto, parsley, and lettuce and perhaps some egg yolks. Chocolate and water from plastic bottles aren't that healthy of choices. Nor are pasta and canned corn. Why did you buy supplements in the first place? Balanced died and exercise is all what you need if you are healthy. Having some supplements would make sense if you suffer from some condition which could be treated with specific supplements. Probably you listen too much to stupid advertisement on TV. >Probably you listen too much to stupid advertisement on TV. No, I listened to people HYPE supplements in THIS newsgroup and on websites forums. People claiming some supplement made their dick grow or cured cancer. No, it wasn't tv ads. .n Fri, 23 May 2008 22:11:07 -0400, "Tom" <t...@t0m.plz> wrote this . stuff here : . M M Probably you listen too much to stupid advertisement on TV. . . No, I listened to people HYPE supplements in THIS newsgroup and on . websites forums. People claiming some supplement made their dick grow . or cured cancer. . . No, it wasn't tv ads. I smell a troll. Or perhaps you misunderstood which head would grow thicker. On Fri, 23 May 2008 23:11:37 -0700 (PDT), "trigonometry1972@gmail.com |" <trigonometry1972@gmail.com> wrote this stuff here : >I smell a troll. I completely understand that challenging what you've surrounded your life with, lies, is so offensive. Someone tells you that you're falling for a load of sh.t advice about supplements; then you decide it's a troll? Do you call your doctor a troll too? > Someone tells you that you're falling for a load of sh.t advice about > supplements; then you decide it's a troll? Many of us read the scientific literature to get reasonable estimates on the level of vitamins and minerals that are optimal for health. > Do you call your doctor a troll too? My doctor knows how much I am taking in the way of supplements and approves. -- Ron >> Someone tells you that you're falling for a load of sh.t advice about >> supplements; then you decide it's a troll? [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >My doctor knows how much I am taking in the way of supplements and >approves. You have a good relationship with your doctor and that is a GOOD thing to have. Far too many people think they can go-it-alone and diagnose themselves. > On Fri, 23 May 2008 23:11:37 -0700 (PDT), "trigonometry1...@gmail.com > |" <trigonometry1...@gmail.com> wrote this stuff here : [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Do you call your doctor a troll too? You haven't responded to my other point, that the digestive supplement saves me money and improves my quality of life. And do I call my Doctor a troll? Well, I simply suggest some were wrong and the GERD paradigm they operated under was and still is flawed. The last Doctor was right and he was be supporter of my nutrient regimen. I still smell a troll. On Sun, 25 May 2008 00:19:38 -0700 (PDT), "trigonometry1972@gmail.com |" <trigonometry1972@gmail.com> wrote this stuff here : >> On Fri, 23 May 2008 23:11:37 -0700 (PDT), "trigonometry1...@gmail.com >> |" <trigonometry1...@gmail.com> wrote this stuff here : [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > >I still smell a troll. All I was trying to say basically was that people are placing FAR TOO MUCH importance on supplements and ignoring genetic factors which are beyond our control. I'd rather spend that money on a movie, hot date or some other hobby. > No, I listened to people HYPE supplements in THIS newsgroup and on > websites forums. People claiming some supplement made their dick grow > or cured cancer. > > No, it wasn't tv ads. Then you have to learn We have two groups of people here one is talking science based on research the other one are just spammers trying to scam people with promises of bigger penises longer orgasm etc. if you buy some magic powder from their webs. > Add up all those Vitamins and Supplements you buy every month, how > money is that? I am at $34.00 per month. Just vitamins and minerals, but I could probably save a bit with better shopping. Vitamin K2 is my most expensive vitamin accounting for a third of my expense (I will probably go back to regular K). -- Ron > > Add up all those Vitamins and Supplements you buy every month, how > > money is that? [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > -- > Ron I suspect my bill is around 60 dollars. But one of the digestive supplements saves me at least 150 dollars a month in medical bills and meds for GERD and dyspepsia. Plus I have a higher quality of life than when I on the anti-GERD meds. LEF product with 9 mg of K1 and 1 mg of K2 looks like a reasonable compromise. If one goes to the pills store and expects a good price, they deserve a huge bill. If one goes to the drug store they will be over charged. > Add up all those Vitamins and Supplements you buy every month, how > money is that? [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > So, how much money did you save? None. My health care cost would go up by an order of magnitude. I take fish oil instead of plavix saving a $100/month and get a more effective result (plavix reduces cardiovascular mortality by 1%, fish oil by 50%). I take niacin(raises HDL, lowers trigs, increases cholesterol particle size) and pantethine(lowers LDL) instead of statins drugs and get a more effective result saving another $100/month. Statins don't improve cholesterol particle size, hardly raise HDL, lower trigs not as good as Niacin. The list of how supplements saves money and produces a outcome goes on.  SignaturePramesh Rutaji p297tongue6221@newsguy.com - remove tongue to reply >> Add up all those Vitamins and Supplements you buy every month, how >> money is that? [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] >Niacin. The list of how supplements saves money and produces a outcome >goes on. LDL doesn't cause heart disease so why are you so focused on it? >>> Add up all those Vitamins and Supplements you buy every month, how >>> money is that? [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > LDL doesn't cause heart disease so why are you so focused on it? Small particle LDL is a very atherogenic. Trans-fats for example lower LDL particle sizes as does increased blood sugar. SignaturePramesh Rutaji p297tongue6221@newsguy.com - remove tongue to reply >>>> Add up all those Vitamins and Supplements you buy every month, how >>>> money is that? [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] >Small particle LDL is a very atherogenic. Trans-fats for example lower >LDL particle sizes as does increased blood sugar. Cardiologists are SLOWLY starting to understand that inflammation of the ateries plays a far greater role in heart disease than anything in your diet or lifestyle. >>>>> Add up all those Vitamins and Supplements you buy every month, how >>>>> money is that? [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > the ateries plays a far greater role in heart disease than anything in > your diet or lifestyle. Diet and lifestyle ARE the primary source of any inflammation. None of the several cardiologist I've seen in the past several years gave a sh.t about inflammation and I had to order the CRP test myself. My hs-CRP testing always comes back with a very very low reading, 0.22 to 0.27 unless I've been sick or had some kind of infection and then it might go all the way up to 0.77, still below the low end of the normal range. Consequently, "inflammation" is not my problem. My LDL cholesterol size using the VAP test tested out as very small, way below the size it should be, and that was my problem. A combination of diet and Niacin increased it to a far healthier level. You may test excellent on every blood parameter you doctors test for while your LDL particle size my be accelerating the plaque growth in your arteries in your heart and neck. You will never no if you don't get a VAP test. SignaturePramesh Rutaji p297tongue6221@newsguy.com - remove tongue to reply |
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