Medical Forum / General / Nutrition / May 2008
Keloids - AA overload disease
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Taka - 09 May 2008 07:26 GMT Prostaglandins Leukot Essent Fatty Acids. 2000 Nov;63(5):237-45.
Keloids in rural black South Africans. Part 1: general overview and essential fatty acid hypotheses for keloid formation and prevention.
Louw L. Department of Anatomy and Cell Morphology, University of the Orange Free State, Bloemfontein, South Africa.
In the first part of this study a general overview on the hypertrophic scar and keloid phenomena regarding history, epidemiology, histopathology and aetiology, in general, together with an essential fatty acid approach as basis for hypotheses of keloid formation and prevention are given. Upon reviewing the literature in planning a strategy for prevention and treatment of keloids, one encounters an overwhelming amount of hypotheses on this topic. Based on a preliminary study on total fatty acid compositions in keloids, compared with normal skin of keloid prone and non-keloid prone patients, there can be argued as follows: an essential fatty acid deficiency of precursors and inflammatory competitors for arachidonic acid may be a factor in the multifactorial aetiology of keloid formations, and apart from a local essential fatty acid deficiency in the wound area, nutrition may also be a contributing factor in rural black South Africans. To confirm or refute the stated hypotheses of the role of essential fatty acids in keloid formation and prevention (outlined in this part of the study), dietary questionnaires and blood (plasma and red blood cell) phospholipid analyses for general information and true fatty acid intake and metabolism, respectively, in the diets of these patients (outlined in part II of this study), as well as a lipid model for keloid formations regarding phospholipids, triglycerides, cholesterol esters and free fatty acids (outlined in part III of this study), are given. The purpose of this comprehensive fatty acid study was an attempt to assess the enigma surrounding keloids and to end the nightmare of the plastic and reconstructive surgeon, since these dermal tumours are notoriously recurrent. PMID: 11090249
Prostaglandins Leukot Essent Fatty Acids. 2000 Nov;63(5):247-53.
Keloids in rural black South Africans. Part 2: dietary fatty acid intake and total phospholipid fatty acid profile in the blood of keloid patients.
Louw L, Dannhauser A. Department of Anatomy and Cell Morphology, University of the Orange Free State, Bloemfontein, South Africa.
In the second part of this study, emphasis is placed on nutritional intakes (fatty acids and micronutrients) and fatty acid intake and metabolism in the blood, respectively, according to a combined 24 h recall and standardized food frequency questionnaire analyses of keloid prone patients (n=10), compared with normal black South Africans (n=80), and total phospholipid blood (plasma and red blood cell ) analyses of keloid patients (n=20), compared with normal individuals (n=20). Lipid extraction and fractionation by standard procedures, total phospholipid (TPL) separation with thin layer chromatography, and fatty acid methyl ester analyses with gas liquid chromatography techniques were used. Since nutrition may play a role in several disease disorders, the purpose of this study was to confirm or refute a role for essential fatty acids (EFAs) in the hypothesis of keloid formations stated in part 1 of this study. (1)According to the Canadian recommendation (1991), we observed that in keloid patients linoleic acid (LA) and arachidonic acid (AA) dietary intakes, as EFAs of the omega-6-series, are higher than the recommended 7-11 g/d. However, the a-linolenic acid (ALA), eicosapentaenoic acid (EPA) and docosahexaenoic acid (DHA) dietary intakes, as EFAs of the omega-3 series, are lower than the recommendation of 1.1-1.5 g/d. This was also the case in the control group, where a higher dietary intake of the omega-6 fatty acids and a slightly lower dietary intake of the omega-3 fatty acids occurred. Thus, we confirm a high dietary intake of LA (as a product of organ meats, diary products and many vegetable oils) and AA (as a product of meats and egg yolks), as well as lower dietary intakes of ALA (as a product of grains, green leafy vegetables, soy oil, rapeseed oil and linseed), and EPA and DHA (as products of marine oils). Lower micronutrient intakes than the recommended dietary allowances were observed in the keloid group that may influence EFA metabolism and/or collagen synthesis. Of cardinal importance may be the lower intake of calcium in the keloid patients that may contribute to abnormal cell signal transduction in fibroblasts and consequent collagen overproduction, and the lower copper intake that may influence the immune system, or perhaps even the high magnesium intake that stimulates metabolic activity. Micronutrient deficiencies also occurred in the diets of the normal black South Africans that served as a control group. In the case of plasma TPLs, deficiency of the omega-3 EFA series (ALA, EPA and DHA) occurred, and this is in accordance with the apparent lower omega-3 EFA intake in the diets of these patients. In the case of the red blood cell TPLs, as a true and reliable source of dietary fatty acid intake and metabolism, sufficient EFAs of the omega-6 series (LA and AA) and the omega-3 series (ALA, EPA and DHA) occurred. For this study group a relative deficiency of nutritional omega-3 EFA intake apparently did occur, but was probably compensated for by blood fatty acid metabolism. PMID: 11090250
Prostaglandins Leukot Essent Fatty Acids. 2000 Nov;63(5):255-62.
Keloids in rural black South Africans. Part 3: a lipid model for the prevention and treatment of keloid formations.
Louw L. Department of Anatomy and Cell Morphology, University of the Orange Free State, Bloemfontein, South Africa.
In the third part of this study a basic lipid model (regarding phospholipids, triglycerides, cholesterol esters and free fatty acids) for keloids (n=20), compared with normal skin of keloid prone and non- keloid prone patients (n=20 of each), was constructed according to standard methods, to serve as a sound foundation for essential fatty acid supplementation strategies in the prevention and treatment of keloid formations. Essential fatty acid deficiency (EFAD) of the omega-6 series (linoleic acid (LA), g-linolenic acid (GLA), and dihomo- g-linolenic acid (DGLA)) and the omega-3 series (a-linolenic acid (ALA) and eicosapentaenoic acid (EPA)), but enhanced arachidonic acid (AA) levels, were prevalent in keloid formations. Enhanced AA, but a deficiency of AA precursors (LA, GLA and DGLA) and inflammatory competitors (DGLA and EPA), are inevitably responsible for the overproduction of pro-inflammatory metabolites (prostaglandin E(2) (PGE(2))) participating in the pathogenesis of inflammation. Of particular interest was the extremely high free oleic acid (OA) levels present, apart from the high free AA levels, in the keloid formations. OA stimulates PKC activity which, in turn, activates PLA(2)activity for the release or further release of AA from membrane pools. Interactions between EFAs, eicosanoids, cytokines, growth factors and free radicals can modulate the immune response and the immune system in undoubtedly involved in keloid formation. The histopathology of keloids can be adequately explained by: persistence of inflammatory- and cytokine-mediated reactions in the keloid/dermal interface and peripheral areas, where fibroblast proliferation and continuous depletion of membrane linoleic acid occur; microvascular regeneration and circulation of sufficient EFAs in the interface and peripheral areas, where maintenance of metabolic active fibroblasts for collagen production occur; microvessel occlusion and hypoxia in the central areas, where deprivation of EFAs and oxygen with consequent fibroblast apoptosis occur, while excessive collagen remain. All these factors contribute to different fibroblast populations present in: the keloid / dermal interface and peripheral areas where increases in fibroblast proliferation and endogenous TGF-b occur, and these metabolic active fibroblast populations are responsible for enhanced collagen production: the central areas where fibroblast populations under hypoxic conditions occur, and these fibroblasts are responsible for excessive collagen production. It was concluded that: fibroblast membrane EFAD of AA precursors and inflammatory competitors, but prevailing enhanced AA levels, can contribute to a chain of reactions eventually responsible for keloid formations. PMID: 11090251
ironjustice - 12 May 2008 20:25 GMT On May 8, 11:26 pm, Taka <taka0...@gmail.com> wrote: keloids <<
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> Prostaglandins Leukot Essent Fatty Acids. 2000 Nov;63(5):237-45. > [quoted text clipped - 136 lines] > eventually responsible forkeloidformations. > PMID: 11090251 Marshall Price - 18 May 2008 06:06 GMT > Prostaglandins Leukot Essent Fatty Acids. 2000 Nov;63(5):237-45. > [quoted text clipped - 142 lines] > eventually responsible for keloid formations. > PMID: 11090251 Incidentally, I saw a show on TV recently about Captain Cook's first exploratory voyage (in 1768, searching for the hypothetical great southern continent) in which it was stated that one of the signs of scurvy is that "old wounds re-open." I can't help wondering whether ascorbic acid might play an important role in the formation and maintenance of scar tissue.
Assuming that the fatty acid connection (the "basic lipid model") discussed in these articles is valid, I wonder whether ascorbyl palmitate (which mixes with lipids) might help heal wounds with healthy scars, and prevent keloid formation.
Another thought. There was a report on TV recently about a man who'd lost a significant amount of the distal portion of one of his fingers in an accident. By grafting on some sort of artificially-formed connective tissue, his medical team encouraged the finger to regrow perfectly. Considering the complexity of fingertips, I found this very impressive.
It suggests that wound healing might be improved not only by fixing a "raw" matrix of connective tissue in place, but also, perhaps, by encouraging the formation of new connective tissue by nutritional interventions.
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Taka - 19 May 2008 13:50 GMT > > Prostaglandins Leukot Essent Fatty Acids. 2000 Nov;63(5):237-45. > [quoted text clipped - 169 lines] > Marshall Price of Miami > Known to Yahoo as d021317c What you need to regenerate tissue rather than scar it is dedifferentiated fibroblasts with the local clues in which part of the body they are. Scar formation is encouraged by oxygen and the mediator here is likely AA. Also one organ which can completely regenerate is the liver but when it is overloaded with AA it rather forms scar tissue resulting in a disease. Immunity plays a major role in regeneration versus scarring as demonstrated on the unusual "autoimmune" MRL mouse strain ( http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/4888080.stm ). I would love to see which lipids and eicosanoids this mouse versus normal mouse use. I bet Mead acid is the major PUFA in the blastemas such as in the growing deer antlers. Also look at what Monty has to say about his wounds - perfect healing. Ray Peat also wrote an interesting essay about regeneration: http://raypeat.com/articles/articles/adaptive-substance.shtml
Taka
Marshall Price - 20 May 2008 13:28 GMT >>> Prostaglandins Leukot Essent Fatty Acids. 2000 Nov;63(5):237-45. >>> Keloids in rural black South Africans. Part 1: general overview and [quoted text clipped - 172 lines] > interesting essay about regeneration: > http://raypeat.com/articles/articles/adaptive-substance.shtml That's "an interesting essay about regeneration"? Whatever it is, it's too long and kooky for me. I read about a quarter of it before I realized I had no idea what he was going on about.
I liked the mouse article, though.
About livers, it isn't true that they can completely regenerate themselves. Once a lobe is gone, the other two can grow bigger, but that lobe will never grow back, and if all three are sick enough, the whole organ is lost.
I remember reading a disappointing passage in my pathology textbook, where I discovered that contrary to my intuition, there is no "ideal pattern" that an organism constantly strives to complete. Instead, healing consists of many mechanisms for dealing with specific problems which have evolved over time to promote survival. If a broken bone is improperly aligned, the organism will adapt in multifarious ways to cope with the new shape, but the fracture itself won't gradually straighten out. The forces on it will always be different from those on a newly developing bone.
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Taka - 20 May 2008 15:03 GMT > I remember reading a disappointing passage in my pathology textbook, > where I discovered that contrary to my intuition, there is no "ideal [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > out. The forces on it will always be different from those on a newly > developing bone. That's why it is better doing it the Salamander way - cut the whole injured part off and regrow it from beginning according to the embryonic developmental plan ;-) The lifeextensionists are working hard on this ... Also the reconstructive surgeries would be more successful if the scar tissue formation can be somehow inhibited.
Taka
Marshall Price - 25 May 2008 23:40 GMT >> I remember reading a disappointing passage in my pathology textbook, >> where I discovered that contrary to my intuition, there is no "ideal [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Taka Not to mention the finger extensionists. I wonder if they've tried zinc fingers, or are they stuck in a homeobox?
(Personally, I have no intention of progressing beyond the pupal stage. It's just asking for trouble.)
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MattLB - 19 May 2008 14:38 GMT > Another thought. There was a report on TV recently about a man who'd > lost a significant amount of the distal portion of one of his fingers in > an accident. By grafting on some sort of artificially-formed connective > tissue, his medical team encouraged the finger to regrow perfectly. > Considering the complexity of fingertips, I found this very impressive. I think you need to read this: http://www.badscience.net/?p=664
MattLB
Marshall Price - 20 May 2008 13:42 GMT >> Another thought. There was a report on TV recently about a man who'd >> lost a significant amount of the distal portion of one of his fingers in [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > I think you need to read this: http://www.badscience.net/?p=664 I happen to have cut off a much smaller portion of my right index finger. (A young doctor at the emergency room cut off even more of it.)
But even though I was a fast healer, it never grew back perfectly. That's why I was impressed by the pixie dust story, and I still am. I have a lot of respect for cosmetic surgery. It's come a long, long way.
Incidentally, I'll betray a secret my father told me a long time ago. He was in the habit of giving advice to aspiring young entertainers, and had all his teeth removed when he was about 20, which would have been in 1919. He advised FDR and Eleanor to go to his surgeon, Maxwell Maltz, for plastic surgery, and they did. Later, I found out that they retired to Hyde Park for a whole month, avoiding the press. That must have been the month after the surgery. I haven't found any evidence that the secret has gotten out, but I'm sure Dad was telling the truth.
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Taka - 20 May 2008 15:54 GMT > I happen to have cut off a much smaller portion of my right index > finger. (A young doctor at the emergency room cut off even more of it.) > > But even though I was a fast healer, it never grew back perfectly. > That's why I was impressed by the pixie dust story, and I still am. I > have a lot of respect for cosmetic surgery. It's come a long, long way. As for the extracellular matrix (ECM) growth factors supporting proper regeneration I suggest the cat ECM membranes would be even better than any pig bladder, cats are incredible healers. Also the latest hit is using own platelet rich plasma (PRP) which promotes proper regeneration/healing of e.g. connective tissues:
http://drreeves.com/Blood%20and%20PRP.html
Again I guess the AA metabolites termed leukotrienes act destructively while certain prostaglandins may support proper regeneration. But "antioxidants" such as resveratrol or Aloe vera gel are known to prevent scar formation and promote proper healing and they do so by being AA metabolization inhibitors (resveratrol is a potent COX inhibitor) so AA is no go here at least at an early stage when proliferation and proper positioning of stem cells is needed. Allantoin (present e.g in comfrey) is far better stem cell attractant than any AA-derived eicosanoid (coincidentally higher primates cannot manufacture allantoin from uric acid). The regenerating animals having adult blastemas may be equipped with mechanisms postponing the production of AA metabolites till the new organ scaffold has been put in place.
Taka
(BTW the company manufacturing the pig bladder powder is http://www.acell.com/ )
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