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Coconut oil cures cancers
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Taka - 19 Apr 2008 04:02 GMT http://thevirgincoconutoil.com/articleitem.php?articleid=176
http://www.coconut-connections.com/res2.htm
http://www.coconut-oil-central.com/natural-cures.html
Marshall Price - 28 Apr 2008 01:54 GMT > http://thevirgincoconutoil.com/articleitem.php?articleid=176 > > http://www.coconut-connections.com/res2.htm > > http://www.coconut-oil-central.com/natural-cures.html Why do you think they're all so poorly written? :-(
The first one's utterly useless, just poorly expressed hollow claims that there's a "miracle cure" for "cancer." Oh, goody.
I'm sure people who don't already know much about biochemistry would have a terrible time understanding anything on that second one, which also doesn't say much of anything, but in lots of words, and is impossible to follow. And what's the point of using hypertext if you're going to fill up a page with background material that's better covered elsewhere, and all the links are away from the topic?
The third is not only under construction (barely begun), and devoid of information, but exemplifies one of my pet peeves: half an alphabet.
They're a beginning for coconut oil advocacy, I suppose, but like so much of the Internet nowadays, they're all about colors, layout, puffery, and distractions, and devoid of content. Even non-commercial sites look like lousy commercials. If you've got something to say, say it, I say.
If there's one thing that the Internet is proving, it's that time is precious. Who's got nothing better to do than to slog through somebody else's rambling without knowing where it's all leading? People have questions and want answers. They don't want to read long, crummy typing exercises that don't make sense and only promote somebody else's profit-making.
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monty1945@lycos.com - 28 Apr 2008 03:11 GMT I agree, and I created a web site to help people with their "slogging." Have you seen it?
http://groups.msn.com/TheScientificDebateForum-
I'm willing to help those understand, but as was the case in grad. school, some students were simply not able to comprehend that a claim found that its way into a book published by a major company could be inaccurate. One must be able to do some independent, unbiased, critical thinking, or else there's no reason to bother - you can just do what your doctor, or some "expert" on Larry King's show says.
MattLB - 28 Apr 2008 14:06 GMT On Apr 28, 3:11 am, monty1...@lycos.com wrote:
> I agree, and I created a web site to help people with their > "slogging." If you agree, then you've misunderstood the point being made because your site is the very epitome of one that requires slogging through masses of unorganised links to rambling articles.
MattLB
RF - 04 May 2008 23:26 GMT > On Apr 28, 3:11 am, monty1...@lycos.com wrote: >> I agree, and I created a web site to help people with their [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > MattLB As I vaguely recall, Proctor and Gamble tried to shoot oils like coconut to shreds to boost their poisonous trans fats.
DrWeil says that coconut oil is one of the best for cooking. Apparently high temperatures don't make it toxic and, if I remember correctly, the molecular chains become shortened and more edible. Anyone agree with this nonsense? ;-)
Taka - 06 May 2008 05:47 GMT > > On Apr 28, 3:11 am, monty1...@lycos.com wrote: > >> I agree, and I created a web site to help people with their [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > chains become shortened and more edible. Anyone > agree with this nonsense? ;-) Coconut oil is burned for energy rather than stored. The reason is abundant short and medium chain fatty acids which tend to be primarily used for energy. It also boosts metabolism because it supports thyroid for which PUFAs are detrimental. Some people also say it kills viruses like colloidal silver but I have not seen any explanation for it. Cattle fed coconut oil looses weight so the farmers prefer feeding it PUFAs which do the opposite and fatten it. IMO coconut oil could possibly help in recovering burned out adrenals and normalizing hormonal balance.
Taka
Marshall Price - 07 May 2008 19:30 GMT > Coconut oil is burned for energy rather than stored. Let's get technical. The oils are broken down. It's the glycerol and fatty acids that are absorbed, and since all triglycerides have the same amount of glycerol, all that matters is the fatty acids.
So what happens to the fatty acids from coconut oil in the *fed state* when energy needs are met?
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monty1945@lycos.com - 07 May 2008 23:44 GMT The issue is toxic metabolites derived from UFAs. You don't get such molecules from SFAs. And there's also the HCAs generated from the cooked meat/PUFAs connection. Feed one group of common lab mammal a diet rich in PUFAs, low in SFAs, and TFAs, but also rich in cooked food (as is common in most human societies), and see how long they live. Have a control group, with the animals fed a diet rich in SFAs and also with an amount of TFAs considered just beyond the dangerous limit by today's "experts," but low in cholesterol (so that they aren't consuming oxidized cholesterol) and very low in UFAs (with nearly no PUFAs), with all other things being equal, and see how long this group lives. This is how science is supposed to proceed, but try to find such a simple, inexpensive experiment on pubmed.com, and guess what you will find?
Marshall Price - 13 May 2008 08:58 GMT > The issue is toxic metabolites derived from UFAs. You don't get such > molecules from SFAs. And there's also the HCAs generated from the [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > to find such a simple, inexpensive experiment on pubmed.com, and guess > what you will find? "The issue" according to Ray Peat?
Can I infer that you don't have an answer to the question I asked: What happens to the fatty acids in coconut oil in the fed state?
I'm not sure I understand the experimental protocol you propose here. What sort of "common lab mammal," and why? How does the (non-control group) diet differ from ordinary commercial diets intended for dogs, cats, monkeys, rats, etc.? Why use such an extraordinary diet, ("beyond the dangerous limit") for the "control" group?
I suspect no such experiment has been done because its design is flawed.
What would be the purpose of the experiment?
(Please, Monty, when you reply to a post, provide some hint. I rarely see the thread structure.)
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Taka - 19 May 2008 14:51 GMT Some more coconut oil versus safflower oil battle:
"Why you don't need vegetable oil in your carrot cake and milk shake to protect your arteries." http://www.cholesterol-and-health.com/One-High-Saturated-Fat-Meal-Can-Be-Bad-Car rot-Cake-Coconut-Oil.html
Taka
Taka - 19 May 2008 16:32 GMT As for the atherogenicity of coconut oil:
Taken from an article written by Conrado S. Dayrit in the Philippine Journal Of Cardiology entitled “Coconut Oil: Atherogenic or Not?”:
According to the universally accepted Lipid-Heart Theory, high saturated fats causehypercholesterolemia and coronary heart disease. Coronary morbidity and mortality are said to be highest in the countries and peoples consuming the highest amounts of saturated fats. Coconut oil, with its saturated medium chain fats, has been especially condemned for this reason. The true facts are just the opposite. The countries consuming the highest amounts of coconut oil – the Polynesians, Indonesians, Sri Lankans, Indians, Filipinos have not only low serum cholesterol but also low coronary heart disease rates.
The reason why coconut oil cannot be atherogenic is basic. Coco oil consistspredominantly of 65% medium chain fatty acids (MCFA) and MCFAs are metabolized rapidly in the liver to energy and do not participate in the biosynthesis and transport of cholesterol. Coconut oil, in fact, tends to raise the HDL and lower the LDL:HDL ratio. Coco oil is not deposited in adipose tissues and therefore does not lead to obesity. It is primarily an energy supplier and as fast a supplier of energy as sugar. MCFAs therefore differ in their metabolism from all the long chain fatty acids, whether saturated or unsaturated.
The pathogenesis of atherosclerosis has recently taken a complete paradigm shift – from a simple deposition of cholesterol and cholesterol esters to an inflammatory condition where numerous genetically dependent factors – dyslipoproteinemias, dysfunctions of endothelial and other cells leading to invasions of the subendothelial region by macrophages, smoothmuscle cells, leukocytes and T cells – all interplay in a scenario still not fully understood.
Taka
Taka - 19 May 2008 16:34 GMT Another thumbs up for coconut oil having medicinal properties. BPH is an extremely common problem for aging men, and this seems to be a viable treatment option (if it is repeatable in humans):
Effects of coconut oil on testosterone-induced prostatic hyperplasia in Sprague-Dawley rats.
Benign prostatic hyperplasia (BPH) is the benign uncontrolled growth of the prostate gland, leading to difficulty with urination. Saw palmetto lipid extracts (SPLE), used to treat BPH, have been shown to inhibit prostate 5a-reductase, and some major components, such as lauric, myristic and oleic acids also inhibit this enzyme. Coconut oil (CO) is also rich in fatty acids, mainly lauric and myristic acids. We investigated whether CO prevents testosterone-induced prostate hyperplasia (PH) in Sprague-Dawley rats. Animals were distributed into seven groups (10 rats each). A negative control group were injected with soya oil; six groups were injected with testosterone (3 mg kg(-1)) to induce PH: a positive control group, and five groups treated orally with SPLE (400 mg kg(-1)), CO or sunflower oil (SO) (400 and 800 mg kg(-1)). Treatments were given for 14 days. Rats were weighed before treatment and weekly thereafter. Rats were then killed and the prostates were removed and weighed. CO (400 and 800 mg kg(-1)), SPLE (400 mg kg(-1)) and SO at 800 mg kg(-1), but not at 400 mg kg(-1), significantly reduced the increase in prostate weight (PW) and PW:body weight (BW) ratio induced by testosterone (% inhibition 61.5%, 82.0%, 43.8% and 28.2%, respectively). Since CO and SPLE, but not SO, contain appreciable concentrations of lauric and myristic acids, these results could be attributed to this fact. In conclusion, this study shows that CO reduced the increase of both PW and PW:BW ratio, markers of testosterone-induced PH in rats. PMID: 17637195
Taka
Marshall Price - 07 May 2008 19:21 GMT >> On Apr 28, 3:11 am, monty1...@lycos.com wrote: >>> I agree, and I created a web site to help people with their [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > chains become shortened and more edible. Anyone > agree with this nonsense? ;-) I think the more saturated a fat is, the less it penetrates the food when frying. That's why lard is still considered the best for tempura.
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Ron Peterson - 07 May 2008 23:10 GMT > >> On Apr 28, 3:11 am, monty1...@lycos.com wrote: > >>> I agree, and I created a web site to help people with their [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > I think the more saturated a fat is, the less it penetrates the food > when frying. That's why lard is still considered the best for tempura. http://www.bigoven.com/29812-Tempura,-Japanese-Way-recipe.html indicates that peanut oil is preferred with sesame oil being the original oil for tempura.
-- Ron
Marshall Price - 13 May 2008 09:16 GMT >>>> On Apr 28, 3:11 am, monty1...@lycos.com wrote: >>>>> I agree, and I created a web site to help people with their [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > indicates that peanut oil is preferred with sesame oil being the > original oil for tempura. I'm very surprised at both of those things. Peanut oil has a high smoke point, but isn't a traditional Japanese ingredient. Sesame oil would behave very differently from lard. (I guess there's no accounting for tastes, but it sounds dreadful to me.)
I just visited my sushi chef a few days ago, but didn't ask him about this. Maybe next time. He has a rare license to prepare sushi for the Japanese Diet (parliament), and is probably quite exigent about tempura, too.
I think it was my Japanese teacher, a brilliant samurai lady accomplished in all the traditional arts (and who made several Japanese dishes to further our education) who explained the details, but actually I forget now.
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ahmeru - 21 May 2008 03:12 GMT > >http://thevirgincoconutoil.com/articleitem.php?articleid=176 > [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > Marshall Price of Miami > Known to Yahoo as d021317c My Stage IV prostate Cancer is, apparently in remission. PSA has dramatically fallen from 165 on March 1, 2008 to <9 on March 25th, and most recently, to 1.3.
Pretty dramatic alternative medical as well as self-directed care, I am pleased to report.
Coconut OIl? Is NOT part of the protocol, however.
ahmeru
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