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Steve - 12 Apr 2008 16:43 GMT How much chocolate do you need to eat per day to get the benefits?
I buy 100gram Lindt 85% bars. They have 10 squares, 10grams each. If I have 1 square, will that do me any good?
Thanks.
Steve
ironjustice - 12 Apr 2008 18:31 GMT On Apr 12, 8:43 am, Steve <nom...@msn.com> wrote:How much chocolate do you need to eat per day to get the benefits? <<
It depends on the chocolate and how it was processed and it seems just looking at whether it is dark or not doesn't .. completely .. cover the ABILITY of the chocolate to 'do its stuff'.
http://www.sciencenews.org/articles/20060225/food.asp
Prescription Strength Chocolate, Revisited Janet Raloff
For roughly a decade, science-savvy chocolate consumers have taken comfort from a string of studies suggesting that their sweet and usually high-fat vice has a potential up side. The most reassuring news was that the antioxidant flavonoids abundant in dark chocolate appear to reduce blood pressure and perhaps protect people from dangerous blood clots.
Raw cocoa beans, shown here nestled in their pods, contain huge amounts of heart-healthy flavanols. Commercially processing the beans to make cocoa powder strips away most of those compounds. Mars, however, determined how to retain them to make flavanol-rich cocoa for research trials--and for what it's now marketing as a heart-healthy snack. USDA
At the Cocoa Symposium, convened at the National Academy of Sciences in Washington, D.C., earlier this month, researchers reported new findings on chocolate's biological impacts. The studies focus on specific flavonoids in chocolate, such as epicatechin, that offer the strongest cardiovascular benefits. The bad news: Most commercial products--even dark chocolates--retain few if any of these natural, plant-based chemicals.
However, the new data do suggest how chocolatiers might tailor their candy recipes to preserve--and potentially even augment--concentrations of beneficial flavonoids. The new studies also might provide some reasons that diets rich in fruits and vegetables are good for people's hearts.
"Cocoa is a fruit," notes chemist Harold H. Schmitz, chief science officer for Mars Inc., the world's largest chocolate manufacturer. Those flavonoids in cocoa that appear to confer the strongest cardiovascular benefits are found in plenty of other dietary sources as well, including tea and apples. Indeed, he says, any of these plant products might yield bioactive compounds that could fight heart disease.
Debunking cocoa myths At the Cocoa Symposium, researchers presented data to shatter a pair of longstanding "myths," Schmitz observes. The first is that the heart- healthy components of cocoa are antioxidants that quash naturally destructive molecular fragments in the body. The second misperception is that a person can get cocoa's heart-protecting constituents simply by downing nearly any off-the-shelf dark chocolate.
Early work by scientists at Mars and elsewhere fostered both perceptions, Schmitz admits. For instance, studies had traced at least some cardiovascular benefits to a class of flavonoids known as flavanols and their polymers called procyanidins (SN: 3/18/00, p. 188). Key among the chocolate flavanols linked to heart benefits was epicatechin, a known antioxidant. Dark chocolates--including those that are the main ingredients in Mars' Dove Dark bar and the mini M&M baking bits--were identified as being rich in these constituents.
However, University of California researchers Hagen Schroeter and Christian Heiss presented data at the symposium indicating that at least some of the flavanols' benefits trace to functions other than fighting oxidation. For instance, standard commercially processed cocoa powder has little or no flavanol content, but it retains a high concentration of other antioxidants. This cocoa offered almost no cardiovascular benefits in tests with isolated tissues or people consuming the cocoa.
Moreover, notes Schroeter, even in people consuming flavanol-rich cocoa products, "most of the flavanols present in [blood] have been altered by the body following consumption and are known to have even less antioxidant potential than their parent [compounds]."
Schroeter's group teamed up with Norman K. Hollenberg, Schmitz, and others to look at how cocoa's epicatechin works. At the meeting, Hollenberg described finding that this flavanol and its breakdown products enhance production of nitric oxide (NO). In the body, NO dilates blood vessels, relaxes arteries, and enhances blood flow.
In one trial, the researchers administered cocoa drinks to 10 people and monitored the effects on blood flow. On one occasion, each person got a cocoa drink that was virtually devoid of flavanols. Another time, each volunteer drank a cocoa that tasted the same but was rich in these flavanols. Neither the participants nor the people taking the blood-flow readings knew which cocoa had been administered.
Only the flavanol-rich drink produced substantial blood-flow benefits, the researchers report in the Jan. 24 Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences (PNAS). The fact that the benefits, which lasted several hours, were prevented by administering a drug that shuts down NO production "unambiguously showed that cocoa flavanols turned on NO synthesis and improved blood flow," Schmitz says.
He adds that the study exposes the fallacy of judging chocolate's flavanol content by measuring its cocoa-solids content. Both drinks administered in this trial were prepared with the same share of cocoa solids, Schmitz points out.
Lessons from the Kuna In the PNAS paper and at the Cocoa Symposium, Hollenberg reviewed data he's gleaned from studying two genetically similar populations of Kuna Indians, people renowned for their cocoa consumption. One group of the Kuna lives on the San Blas islands off Panama. The other consists of migrants residing on the mainland in Panama City.
In earlier work, Hollenberg reported that the island-dwelling Kuna had significantly lower blood pressure than their mainland kin did (SN: 3/2/02, p. 142: Available to subscribers at http://www.sciencenews.org/articles/20020302/note17.asp). One difference between the populations: The islanders drank an average of 5 cups of cocoa daily, but the mainland group downed fewer than 4 cups per week.
Schmitz notes that the two populations also drank different cocoas. Traditionally, island-dwelling Kuna take fresh-picked cocoa beans and dry them under the sun. Then, they grind the beans into a powder for use in foods and drinks. "Effectively," he says, "they're consuming about as close to fresh cocoa as one can get." By contrast, the islanders' mainland kin now tend to drink commercial cocoas that have been as heavily processed as U.S. cocoas. The products also retain as little of the starting flavanols as most U.S. products do.
Hollenberg's follow-up work, reported in the PNAS paper, confirms that the islanders also have far larger exposures to cocoa flavanols. Tests showed that flavanol-residue concentrations in urine were six times as high in the islanders as in the mainlanders.
At the Cocoa Symposium, Hollenberg reported that dramatic long-term benefits may be attributable to the islanders' cocoa habit: Their death rate from heart disease is less than 8 percent of that in Kuna mainlanders, and cancer kills only 16 percent as many islanders. The two populations were matched for age, weight, and a number of other factors that might affect heart and cancer risks.
Hollenberg concludes that the Kuna epidemiological data, although preliminary, "indicate that a flavanol-rich diet may provide an extraordinary benefit in the reduction of the two deadliest diseases in today's world."
Toward healthier chocolates . . . and spin-offs Schmitz acknowledges that "Mars, like every other chocolate business, tends to use cocoa that has been processed in the standard industry way." The result is that most of its products end up virtually devoid of flavanols.
Like its competitors, Mars doesn't want to tinker greatly with the recipes of its popular products. However, for much of the past decade, the company has been seeking to create a snack that would not only taste good--which pure cocoa does not--but also would pack a healthy wallop of epicatechin and related compounds. The company has recently begun marketing a relatively low-calorie, high-flavanol candy bar using a specially processed starting ingredient called CocoaPro.
In the August 2005 Journal of Hypertension, Hollenberg and Naomi D.L. Fisher of Brigham and Women's Hospital describe the flavanol content of various chocolate products. CocoaPro powder topped the list, with nearly 5,000 milligrams of flavanols per 100 grams of cocoa. The Kuna islander's cocoa beans contained nearly 4,000 mg/100 g, and their cocoa powder had 2,000 mg/100 g. "In stark contrast," the researchers observe, "all of the commercially available cocoa powders or chocolate drinks that can be purchased in American supermarkets have flavonoid contents substantially less than 5 percent of [CocoaPro's]."
Not so fast, argue Jonathan M. Hodgson and Ian B. Puddey of the University of Western Australia School of Medicine and Pharmacology. In an editorial appearing in the same Journal of Hypertension issue, they agree with Hollenberg and Fisher that a growing body of work supports the idea that diets rich in flavonoids benefit the heart. However, the Australian team adds, "The method still widely used to quantify flavonoids is crude and provides no information about the [specific] type of flavonoids present." Moreover, they note, not all flavonoids are readily absorbed by the body. Finally, they point out that no study has yet evaluated whether increasing flavonoids in study volunteers' diets--from chocolate, tea, wine, or any other products-- will cut that population's heart-disease incidence.
Schmitz agrees that there's still a lot to learn. Although his team's new PNAS paper fills in some of the gaps that Hodgson and Puddey referred to, Schmitz says that large, multiyear trials of people eating flavanol-rich products are needed. However, such studies are beyond the financial reach of a candy company, he says. He's hoping the new data are suggestive enough to entice the National Institutes of Health or another funding organization to step in and back such clinical follow-ups.
In the meantime, while studying how to synthesize flavanols, Mars has developed a few novel compounds that might prove even more potent than epicatechin at triggering NO synthesis. Although these compounds "have zero application for us [as candy makers], they might have use in pharmaceuticals," Schmitz told Science News Online. Indeed, he says, "if the benefits prove striking enough, we might some day license the compounds" to companies developing cardiovascular drugs.
For Carl Keen of the University of California, Davis, who has conducted some chocolate studies, there is a somewhat different spin- off. Data on the biological action of flavanols reported at the Cocoa Symposium "add new and important pieces of information that will help us understand why diets rich in fruit and vegetables promote cardiovascular health," he says. Chocolate science is pointing to which agents in apples, grapes, and other produce might offer the most benefits--and why.
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> How much chocolate do you need to eat per day to get the benefits? > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Steve trigonometry1972@gmail.com | - 12 Apr 2008 19:50 GMT > How much chocolate do you need to eat per day to get the benefits? > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Steve Let me dwell on the negative for you. Even 85% of chocolate is 15% add sugar. Further, this is a roasted food that is certainly load with AGEs. And finally the caffiene and the related methyl xanthines shorten the life span of your bones osteoblasts so therefore would tend to added to aging related bone thinnning. All these points will be especially bad if you are becoming insulin resistant and on the road to type 2 diabetes.
The press praises this product just a little too much for me to even trust it is a good idea and that assumes you choose truly good chocolate.
If Jane Brody says jump left, I say tackle her.
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Steve - 12 Apr 2008 21:48 GMT In article <c9b555be-1f31-46a1-83fe-1d37bfe9e785@l42g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>,
> > How much chocolate do you need to eat per day to get the benefits? > > [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > Trig What if I eat cocoa powder instead?
Steve
Mark Thorson - 12 Apr 2008 21:59 GMT > What if I eat cocoa powder instead? You won't have as much fun. :-(
trigonometry1972@gmail.com | - 13 Apr 2008 11:53 GMT > > What if I eat cocoa powder instead? > > You won't have as much fun. :-( Perhaps you can suggest he add sucralose ;-) for sweetness.
Disclaimer, I don't trust sucralose. It seems to work nicely with a bit of sugar and borax on ants. They feed and they die or at least level never to return. Perhaps it only the borax;-) ... Likely in fact. But is how I used may free sample that came in the mail.
monty1945@lycos.com - 13 Apr 2008 06:19 GMT Steve: It depends upon what else you are eating, how you are eating, etc. Someone asked me about dark chocolate, and I said that I eat a tiny bit before the meal, small pieces during the meal, and a larger piece right after the meal. However, my meals are low in food items that act as oxidizing agents. Testing would have to be done to determine if particular meals you ate were too rich in oxidizing items.
Marshall Price - 27 Apr 2008 03:14 GMT > Steve: It depends upon what else you are eating, how you are eating, > etc. Someone asked me about dark chocolate, and I said that I eat a > tiny bit before the meal, small pieces during the meal, and a larger > piece right after the meal. However, my meals are low in food... Wait a minute. Are you telling us that dark chocolate actually *is* the meal? ;-)
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trigonometry1972@gmail.com | - 13 Apr 2008 11:47 GMT > In article > <c9b555be-1f31-46a1-83fe-1d37bfe9e...@l42g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > Steve OK that take care of one of the issue I mentioned not all of them. The other negatives remain.
Costco has carried at times (not currently) a good unsugared cocoa powder as I recall.
Go buy some blueberries and spinach and forget about it.
Marshall Price - 27 Apr 2008 02:11 GMT >> In article >> <c9b555be-1f31-46a1-83fe-1d37bfe9e...@l42g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > Go buy some blueberries and spinach and forget about > it. Have they shown that blueberries and spinach are effective mood-elevators?
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Pramesh Rutaji - 15 Apr 2008 01:50 GMT > In article > <c9b555be-1f31-46a1-83fe-1d37bfe9e785@l42g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > Steve You can get raw organic supplied by Navitas. I usually order this and sweeten with stevia: http://www.amazon.com/Navitas-Naturals-Chocolate-Organic-16-Ounce/dp/B000P24HJ8/ ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=hpc&qid=1208220485&sr=1-1
Or you can try this or something similar: http://www.vitacost.com/NSI-Cocoa-Bean-Extract
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Marshall Price - 27 Apr 2008 03:27 GMT >> In article >> <c9b555be-1f31-46a1-83fe-1d37bfe9e785@l42g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > Or you can try this or something similar: > http://www.vitacost.com/NSI-Cocoa-Bean-Extract I wonder whether it grows in my neighborhood. I forgot what the tree looks like.
(I've got free Surinam cherries, also known as pitanga, ripe and ready to eat one block to the west, and seagrapes at the end of the road. They're sweet, a wee bit salty, and highly addictive, but not as abundant as the Surinam cherries, which might be why I haven't seen any research on them yet.)
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Marshall Price - 27 Apr 2008 03:11 GMT > In article > <c9b555be-1f31-46a1-83fe-1d37bfe9e785@l42g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > What if I eat cocoa powder instead? The latest study report is in.
In a test of one subject dining at home alone, the benefits of cocoa consumption exceeded all expectations. Not only did it enhance the delectability of quick French dressing (half mayo and half ketchup), but it tasted even better with curry powder (p < 0.01), an excellent source of heart-healthy turmeric.
Moreover, with or without soy sauce and pepper, the salad dressing makes a great steak sauce, one which (according to the entire cohort) goes very nicely with red wine!
But there's more. It also acts as an excellent thickening agent, so if your sauces and gravies are too runny, try adding a little cocoa powder for body plus bliss.
I can't wait till Mars makes up its mind to market their extra-wholesome cocoa to us baby boomers!
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Tom - 12 Apr 2008 21:13 GMT > How much chocolate do you need to eat per day to get the benefits? > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Steve There are some studies suggesting that dark chocolate (not just any chocolate) to be part of daily balanced diet, about 100 g / day. Nevertheless if you eat healthy food those extra 100 g / day might have limited influence and you might be as well good with no chocolate at all or with just a few grams / day.
NoOption5L@aol.com - 14 Apr 2008 03:35 GMT > How much chocolate do you need to eat per day to get the benefits?
> I buy 100gram Lindt 85% bars. I do too. Love 'em!
Ever tried their 99% bars?
> They have 10 squares, 10grams each. If I > have 1 square, will that do me any good? It's like everything else. No one food, or loading up on one food, is the trick. It's the combination of the good stuff that does it. And a lot of recent research is indicating dark chocolate IS good stuff. So enjoy a portion size, but to really get its benefits make sure you're also eating/drinking pecans, spinach, tea, apples, raspberries, pomegranates, sweet potatoes, black beans, broccoli, tomatoes, etc...
Patrick
Ron Peterson - 14 Apr 2008 06:11 GMT > How much chocolate do you need to eat per day to get the benefits?
> I buy 100gram Lindt 85% bars. They have 10 squares, 10grams each. If I > have 1 square, will that do me any good? No, it will clog your arteries.
-- Ron
ironjustice@aol.com - 21 Apr 2008 02:15 GMT How muchchocolatedo you need to eat per day to get the benefits?
I buy 100gram Lindt 85% bars. They have 10 squares, 10grams each. If I have 1 square, will that do me any good?
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18-Apr-2008 - Alkalising cocoa beans reduces the total flavanoid content by two-thirds, reducing the antioxidant potential of the product, according to new research.
Cocoa is alkalised during the manufacturing process to make it easier to mix and digest. Alkalisation can also be applied to change the colour of the product.
The health benefits of antioxidant-rich chocolate such as improvements to cardiovascular health have received much recognition in recent years, with positive findings from a number of studies impacting on consumer awareness.
Chocolate manufacturers are using high cocoa content (over 70 per cent) as a means of differentiation, and cocoa has also received attention for its potential in functional food applications.
However, the cocoa content does not necessarily mean that the flavonol content is high, as new research published in the Journal of Agricultural and Food Chemistry found that alkalising has negative impacts on the flavonol levels.
"The large decrease found in the flavonoid content of natural cocoa powder, together with the observed change in the monomeric flavanol profile that results from the alkalisation treatment, could affect the antioxidant properties and the polyphenol bioavailability of cocoa powder products," said the study's authors.
The study
Major brands of cocoa powder products present in the Spanish market were analysed for monomeric flavanols (epicatechin and catechin) and flavanols (quercetin and quercetin-3-glucuronide, -glucoside and - arabinoside).
Researchers found that epicatechin was in the range of 116-730 micrograms per gram and catechin was in the range of 81-447 micrograms per gram.
Among flavanols, quercetin-3-arabionside and isoquercitrin were the major flavanols in the cocoa powder (2-40 micrograms and 4-43 micrograms respectively).
The researchers said this was the first time quantitative data of individual flavanol derivatives in cocoa powder products.
They added: "This data is very useful for the calculation of daily flavanoid intake and its correlation with disease incidence or early markers in epidemiologic and clinical studies."
To measure the effect of the manufacturing process, 10 batches of natural cocoa powder were submitted to alkalisation up to pH 7.2.
The alkalisation treatment resulted in 60 per cent loss of the mean total flavanoid content.
Among flavanols, epicatechin presented a larger decline (67 per cent as a mean percentage difference) and in the case of flavanols, quercetin presented the highest loss (86 per cent).
"Considering that cocoa powder products have a lower level of saturated fats than chocolate bars, it seems necessary to establish a compromise between colour and phenolic content, especially for cocoa powder products derived from alkalised cocoa powder," said the study's authors.
Increasing flavanols in cocoa products
Manufacturers wishing to tap in to the 'healthy' chocolate market are aware of the detrimental effects of processing on the final flavonol content of their products, and this has led to the development of new processing techniques.
Confectionary giant Mars, for example, has been pro-active in research into the potential health benefits of flavanols from cocoa and has been sponsoring researchers in Germany and the US for about 15 years. Other companies targeting this market include Barry Callebaut, with its Acticoa range, which boasts high polyphenol content and are marketed as healthy options.
Spanish firm Natraceutical has also made inroads into the market, but has been the subject to legal challenges from Mars regarding alleged patent infringements.
Similarly, US chocolate manufacturer Hershey increased its health- boosting chocolate range last year with Antioxidant Milk Chocolate and Whole Bean Chocolate.
Hershey's goodness portfolio also consists of the Extra dark chocolate range - with a 60 per cent cacao content - and Hershey's Sticks which contain 60 calories per bar.
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Journal of Agricultural and Food Chemistry Published online ahead of print April 2008, doi: 10.1021/jf0728754 "Flavanol and Flavanol Contents of Cocoa Powder Products: Influence of the Manufacturing Process" Authors: C Andres-Lacueva, M Monagas, N Khan, M Izquierdo-Pulido, M Urpi-Sarda, J Permanyer and R M Lamuela-Raverntos
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ironjustice@aol.com - 23 Apr 2008 04:12 GMT On Apr 12, 8:43 am, Steve <nom...@msn.com> wrote: How muchchocolatedo you need to eat per day to get the benefits? <<
Chocolate bar may lower cholesterol
4/22/2008-The results of a University of Illinois study have demonstrated an effective way to lower cholesterol levels – by eating chocolate bars.
“Eating two CocoaVia dark chocolate bars a day not only lowered cholesterol, it had the unexpected effect of also lowering systolic blood pressure,” said John Erdman, a U. of I. professor of food science and human nutrition.
The study, funded in part by Mars Inc., the company that makes the bars, was published in this month’s Journal of Nutrition.
Erdman attributes the drop in cholesterol numbers (total cholesterol by 2 percent and LDL or “bad” cholesterol by 5.3 percent) to the plant sterols that have been added to the bar and the drop in blood pressure to the flavanols found in dark chocolate.
Erdman says that some people will assume the study is flawed because of Mars’ funding role.
“I know that it was a double-blinded trial that wasn’t skewed toward a particular result,” said Erdman, who chairs the Mars Scientific Advisory Council. “Moreover, the paper was peer-reviewed and published in the Journal of Nutrition, which ranks in the top 10 percent of all the biological science journals.” Mars has spent millions of dollars studying the biological impact of the flavanols found in cocoa beans and learning how to retain their benefits during the refining process, Erdman said.
Forty-nine persons with slightly elevated cholesterol and normal blood pressure were recruited for the study. Those chosen for the double- blind, placebo-controlled, cross-over study began the American Heart Association’s “Eating Plan for Healthy Americans” (formerly the Step 1 diet) two weeks before the study started; then they were divided into two matched groups. Two types of CocoaVia bars were then introduced, one with plant sterols and one without.
While remaining on the AHA diet, participants ate one CocoaVia formulation twice daily for four weeks, then switched to the other bar for an additional four weeks. Blood cholesterol levels, blood pressure, body weight, and other cardiovascular measures were tracked throughout the eight-week study.
“After the participants started the AHA diet, a lot of them began to lose weight, so we had to keep fussing at them to eat more. We didn’t want a weight change because that also lowers cholesterol,” said Ellen Evans, a U. of I. professor of kinesiology and community health and co- author of the study.
“After starting the CocoaVia bars, we saw a marked differential effect on blood cholesterol, with the sterol-containing products doing better than those without sterols,” she said.
A CocoaVia bar contains 100 calories.
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> I buy 100gram Lindt 85% bars. They have 10 squares, 10grams each. If > I [quoted text clipped - 133 lines] > > DEAD PEOPLE WALKINGhttp://tinyurl.com/zk9fk Marshall Price - 27 Apr 2008 02:09 GMT > How much chocolate do you need to eat per day to get the benefits? > > I buy 100gram Lindt 85% bars. They have 10 squares, 10grams each. If I > have 1 square, will that do me any good? Why not have some plain cocoa powder instead and avoid the sugar and fat? I like it on cereal and in curries and stews. Now that I think of it, I ought to try it in salad dressing.
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Pramesh Rutaji - 27 Apr 2008 03:15 GMT >> How much chocolate do you need to eat per day to get the benefits? >> I buy 100gram Lindt 85% bars. They have 10 squares, 10grams each. If I [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > fat? I like it on cereal and in curries and stews. Now that I think of > it, I ought to try it in salad dressing. I buy raw organic fair trade cocoa - not proceed with the dutch process - and sweeten it up with stevia. I get about 1/2 oz in the morning mixed in about 12 oz of water which I have heated up to 125 degrees.
No sugar, three times the fiber of regular dutch processed cocoa, and all the goodness still there.
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Marshall Price - 27 Apr 2008 21:43 GMT >>> How much chocolate do you need to eat per day to get the benefits? >>> I buy 100gram Lindt 85% bars. They have 10 squares, 10grams each. If I [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > No sugar, three times the fiber of regular dutch processed cocoa, and > all the goodness still there. How does it taste? Much more bitter than ordinary lye-treated cocoa? Edible, nonetheless? (If I recall correctly, the taste of bitterness is often caused by alkali. Strange, that treating cocoa with lye should make it less bitter.)
Perhaps it could be stirred into healthier oils than highly saturated ones.
I imagine it must be quite expensive.
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Pramesh Rutaji - 28 Apr 2008 18:53 GMT >>>> How much chocolate do you need to eat per day to get the benefits? >>>> I buy 100gram Lindt 85% bars. They have 10 squares, 10grams each. If [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > I imagine it must be quite expensive. I don't notice any bitter taste and I don't sweeten it too much. I pay $25 for two lbs as I recall on amazon.com.
I've heard of some people making their own chocolate with coconut oil and stevia to sweeten and keeping it in the fridge. I haven't tried that.
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Ron Peterson - 30 Apr 2008 05:31 GMT On Apr 28, 12:53 pm, Pramesh Rutaji <p297tongue6...@newsguy.com> wrote:
> I've heard of some people making their own chocolate with coconut oil > and stevia to sweeten and keeping it in the fridge. I haven't tried that. I have had chocolate made with fish oil. It was a number of years ago and didn't have a fishy taste. I assume the oil was hydrogenated to keep the chocolate firm.
-- Ron
trigonometry1972@gmail.com | - 30 Apr 2008 07:47 GMT > On Apr 28, 12:53 pm, Pramesh Rutaji <p297tongue6...@newsguy.com> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > -- > Ron The USA FDA if I recall correctly has altered it regs as to what is permitted in chocolate. So expect ot see all sorts of fractionated, hydrogenated, and saturated fats popup in chocolate products in the next few years here in the States.
trigonometry1972@gmail.com | - 30 Apr 2008 07:43 GMT > >>> How much chocolate do you need to eat per day to get the benefits? > >>> I buy 100gram Lindt 85% bars. They have 10 squares, 10grams each. If I [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > Marshall Price of Miami > Known to Yahoo as d021317c I am currently experimenting with my diet. Increasing both my saturated and my omega 3 fatty acids. My BEST blood lipid numbers were taken WHEN I was eating high levels of coconut meat. Don't hold your breath on results as I am still consuming my omega 6 fatty acid rich foods until they run out. I hope to have an opinion in 3 or 4 months.
There are saturated fats and there are other saturated fats, long chain and short chain. There are so-called sat fats loaded arachidonic acid. Never trust the conventions of nutritionists as they are about as sharp as dinner table butter knives.
Chocolate maybe expensive but coconut meat is pretty low cost by today's standards. It the wild caught cold water fish that costs.
Ron Peterson - 28 Apr 2008 14:04 GMT > Why not have some plain cocoa powder instead and avoid the sugar and > fat? I like it on cereal and in curries and stews. Now that I think of > it, I ought to try it in salad dressing. That is the right way to consume chocolate.
-- Ron
Marshall Price - 03 May 2008 17:43 GMT >> Why not have some plain cocoa powder instead and avoid the sugar and >> fat? I like it on cereal and in curries and stews. Now that I think of >> it, I ought to try it in salad dressing. > > That is the right way to consume chocolate. In Mexico, they make a kind of /mojo/ with either cocoa or chocolate. It's used as a barbeque sauce for cooking meats.
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