Thanks Trig for the comments
>> Get a load of these articles:
>>
>> http://www.vitamindcouncil.org/
>
> This is a useful website. Cannell is the Doc who started
> it. I recently noticed he and Hollis had a a nice review
paper
> on the topic. Other interesting researchers are Vieth,
Holick, and
> Heaney.
There are quite a few articles there, all very interesting
to me.
> Personally I take 5000 IU of D3 during the Fall and
Winter months
> or during days I don't get meaningful sun.
After reading those articles I boosted my D3 from 2k to 3k.
I'm still
pondering whetther to go higher. Remember it was not long
back when
Vitamin D was considered potentially toxic and 400 IU was
the max
recommended? But then it wasn't D3.
> I do hedge my bets
> and take a generous K1/K2 vitamin supplement to help
> prevent any risk of ectopic calcium deposits.
K1 is very common these days but K2 seems to be rare and much
more expensive. SwansonVitamins charge $10 for 30 caps at
50 mcg/cap. It appears to be better than K1 at placing the
calcium
in the right spots in the bones and not in the arteries. As
usual that
price should be dropping soon.
> If you worry about prostate cancer or breast cancer
vitamin D3
> supplement have their place for you, IMO. The earlier the
better also.
Fortunately I don't have to. My PSA readings have been
steadily going down,
which I understand is the right way to go. At least that's
one thing I don't have
to worry about.
Have a great weekend :-)
RuF
trigonometry1972@gmail.com | - 12 Apr 2008 15:11 GMT
> Thanks Trig for the comments
>
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> RuF
LEF has a vitamin K formula with 9 mgs of K1 and
1 mg of K2 with a mix of mk4 and mk7. I assume
there is very little mk7. It has the longer side
chain and has a longer biological half life.
As to the dose, I think a 2000 IU dose used
year around would be a reasonable choice
provided one gets into the sun.
I don't take it year round. I do plan to get
the value checked during my next check up.
Elevated PTH is related to ectopic calcifications.
Elevated PTH happens when the vitamin D levels
are low.
One still needs weight bearing exercise. And keeping
healthy levels of both androgen and estrogen are both
also important to prostate health. Low is bad for
testosterone provided you have ample vitamin D
and excess estrogen or estrogen like chemicals
are bad for prostate.
>> Get a load of these articles:
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> If you worry about prostate cancer or breast cancer vitamin D3
> supplement have their place for you, IMO. The earlier the better also.
I can't say I like Cannell's impassioned writing style, nor the
arguments he makes based upon "mother nature's intentions."
He's strongly in favor of sun exposure, but I'm suspicious of his only
argument against dietary vitamin D: that there's no negative feedback
mechanism for it, as there is for sun exposure. I wonder whether more
research will bear that out.
How do we know that "mother nature" didn't "intend" for us to get our
vitamin D from fish -- especially considering that we may be descended
from marine mammals?
Cannell acknowledges that cod liver oil is a good source of vitamin D,
but gives it short shrift, and (as far as I could tell) doesn't mention
other natural dietary sources.
On the whole, though, I am persuaded of the validity of his arguments
for raising the recommended intake of vitamin D, reconsidering the blood
level norms, and calling for more research.

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trigonometry1972@gmail.com | - 13 Apr 2008 12:24 GMT
> trigonometry1...@gmail.com | wrote:
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Cannell is very pro-supplement. He takes a large
dose during the fall and winter as I recall much like
I do and for a bit longer. But then a Doctor works
inside whereas I often work out in the sun with
a wide brimmed hat.
And there is some evidence of some controls on vitamin
D metabolism. Granted I stop the supplement when
I get a decent amount of sun. People with really really
low 25 OH D serum levels show a larger in increase in serum levels
when a supplement is used according to Heaney
as I recall. Cannell claims higher levels of 25 OH vitamin D
tends to darken the skin due to increased melanin synthesis.
I think this is only a personal hypothesis on his part.
Viethe had recent peice on two persons taking
dose of vitamin D. One was taking too much and
the other test out as OK. The man taking too much
had MS, vitamin D helps in MS so it is said.
He was taking a truly huge dose per day.
If I find it, I put in a posting on this thread.
He is right to have doubt about the merits of
of "cod liver" oit. It is a highly refined product
that has be distilled and put back together again.
It contains too little vitamin D in ratio to vitamin A
to be a healthy stand alone vitamin D source.
Otherwise it is a fine source of vitamin A.
As to his outlook as I recall him saying something
about being Christian. The concept of a creator
may have some traction with him at some level.
On the other hand Viethe frames his arguments
in Darwinian terms.
Personally I recall an old geologist who would
frame his ideas about a regions geology in
terms the flood of Noah and the 7 days of creation
with Pious Fundy country follk, with his religious but somewhat
less literal neighbors he'd explain it differently
and with his buddies the time frame would go really
long and the outlook shifted yet again.
The point is one should look beyond the framing
and consider the immediate facts that hit
the pocket book or impact health.
RuF - 14 Apr 2008 18:37 GMT
>> trigonometry1...@gmail.com | wrote:
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> and consider the immediate facts that hit
> the pocket book or impact health.
Thanks Trig for the comments and for the introduction to LEF.
I had never heard of them before. It's quite an organization
and I'll be a member very soon. Great Vit K prices too.
Have a great week :-)
Marshall Price - 16 Apr 2008 21:13 GMT
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> Have a great week :-)
I like LEF, too, but check out what http://www.quackwatch.org has to say
about Linus Pauling before you get carried away.

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trigonometry1972@gmail.com | - 17 Apr 2008 12:52 GMT
> > trigonometry1...@gmail.com | wrote:
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The quackpots of Quackwatch are extremely bias.
They are a tiny part of the cottage industry that services
the interests and biases of big Pharma and big Chemical.
Remember Pauling isn't around to defend himself as
he died at age 93. A man who smoked until late 1950's
and loved grilled meat.
It would serve you better to look at the quackpots of quackwatch.
Barrett (mister Slapp legal case) who has lost in court and may
not have paid up. And Victor Herbert,
the dead Victor Herbert and not a long life either unlike Pauling.
Look at it other quackpots with their various front organization
such Peter Bourne, 'Amercian Association of World Health";
Lizzy Whelan, "American Council on Science and Health"; Vince
Hutchins, "National Ready to Learn Council", and Old Bill
Jarvis,"National Council Against Health Fraud, Inc."
Marshall Price - 27 Apr 2008 01:28 GMT
>>> trigonometry1...@gmail.com | wrote:
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> Hutchins, "National Ready to Learn Council", and Old Bill
> Jarvis,"National Council Against Health Fraud, Inc."
I'm utterly unimpressed with ad hominem arguments. It's the
hero-worship I'm on the lookout against. ;-)

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trigonometry1972@gmail.com | - 17 Apr 2008 13:13 GMT
For an unfavorable view of Quackwatch by someone
who has suffered their legal wrath and survived.
http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/QuackWatchWatch.htm
Marshall Price - 27 Apr 2008 01:46 GMT
> For an unfavorable view of Quackwatch by someone
> who has suffered their legal wrath and survived.
>
> http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/QuackWatchWatch.htm
Heavy duty!

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Marshall Price - 16 Apr 2008 21:11 GMT
>> trigonometry1...@gmail.com | wrote:
>>>> Get a load of these articles:
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> and consider the immediate facts that hit
> the pocket book or impact health.
I my case, I tend to worry more about getting melanoma than not getting
enough vitamin D, especially down here approaching summertime near the
Tropic of Cancer, no pun intended!
The reason I brought up cod liver oil is just that it's such an old
remedy -- not that it's particularly good. It just worked.
Re "religious" theorists, I still use Dr. Bronner's hemp and tea tree
shampoo. It seems to work, and it hasn't interfered with my own religion!
By the way, "tea tree" is a euphemism for the melaleuca tree, a
horrendous foreign invader threatening the Everglades. Yet we actually
import tea tree oil products from Australia!

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trigonometry1972@gmail.com | - 17 Apr 2008 12:56 GMT
> trigonometry1...@gmail.com | wrote:
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I'd be careful with the tea tree oil as I have it
in my mind that it has endocrine disrupting properties
chemical like bisphenol-A and the various
phthalates.
Marshall Price - 27 Apr 2008 01:48 GMT
>> trigonometry1...@gmail.com | wrote:
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> chemical like bisphenol-A and the various
> phthalates.
I'm not drinking it, just soaping up with about a quarter teaspoon of
it and rinsing it off right away.

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trigonometry1972@gmail.com | - 14 Apr 2008 08:29 GMT
Here is a really good link to lectures on
the topic of vitamin D. It is very indepth.
Do not start at the beginning, rather
choose a lecture in the middle and
work from there....trust me on this point.
These lectures add up to many hours.
If you have dial up skip the visual aids
and just listen to the lecture feed. If you
have modern ISP service choose both.
http://app2.capitalreach.com/esp1204/servlet/tc?cn=asbmr&c=10169&s=20343&e=6950&&