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Magnesium supplement without Calcium

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JayDee - 07 Apr 2008 02:54 GMT
I'm taking ionic magnesium for its perported memory enhancing benefits
as well as helping sleep. I'm taking 300mg at night before bed and
300mg in the morning with vitamin c (apparently that increases
absorption).

Since I am aware there is a relationship between calcium and
magnesium, I'm wondering if it's ok to be taking a magnesium
supplement without a calcium one, or if I'm going to be throwing
something off...

Thanks.

JayDee
trigonometry1972@gmail.com | - 07 Apr 2008 08:48 GMT
> I'm taking ionic magnesium for its perported memory enhancing benefits
> as well as helping sleep. I'm taking 300mg at night before bed and
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>
> JayDee

Off hand the only risk a normal person might have is runny stool.

You're dose is moderate. I'd only worry about serious harm if
you took mega amounts of magnesium hydroxide such as formerly
used by some in the face of chronic acid reflux or acid stomach.

Your diet will contain some calcium. People often eat too much
dairy (that includes me) hence too much calcium, IMO.
Ethereal Wolf - 10 Apr 2008 02:24 GMT
I would read your nutrition labels and try to ascertain how much
calcium you are actually intaking from your diet. If your supplemental
magnesium is higher than your dietary calcium intake, i would consider
supplementing some calcium as well. I am not sure if you will ever see
runny stools from high dose ionic (chloride form?) magnesium since it
is so well absorbed. From what I have read, diarrhea is more commonly
a side effect of non-ionic high dose magnesium, like the oxide form.

> I'm taking ionic magnesium for its perported memory enhancing benefits
> as well as helping sleep. I'm taking 300mg at night before bed and
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>
> JayDee
Marshall Price - 12 Apr 2008 18:03 GMT
> I'm taking ionic magnesium for its perported memory enhancing benefits
> as well as helping sleep. I'm taking 300mg at night before bed and
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> supplement without a calcium one, or if I'm going to be throwing
> something off...

Quite right.  You want to keep them in balance, and each tends to
interfere with the other.  It's really quite complicated, so look into
it in a standard nutrition textbook or the online Merck Manual.

You can't generalize about whether Americans get too much or too little
calcium.  Our diets are too variable.

I don't want to oversimplify, but in general, if you're having trouble
sleeping, taking magnesium won't help, but taking calcium may.  Look up
the deficiency and toxicity symptoms of both.  Magnesium tends to
increase muscle tone and calcium to lower it, but the devil's in the
details.

Look up vitamin D, too.

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SDer - 12 Apr 2008 22:31 GMT
> Magnesium tends to
> increase muscle tone and calcium to lower it, but the devil's in the
> details.

Actually I think it's the opposite.
Kofi - 13 Apr 2008 04:44 GMT
Since I have magnesium deficiency, I take a combination calcium,
magnesium, zinc and phosphorous supplement.  Vitamin D helps as well
with absorption.  You might be able to get by without the zinc but the
rest is vital for absorption.
JayDee - 13 Apr 2008 08:54 GMT
> Since I have magnesium deficiency, I take a combination calcium,
> magnesium, zinc and phosphorous supplement.  Vitamin D helps as well
> with absorption.  You might be able to get by without the zinc but the
> rest is vital for absorption.

Well the main reason I'm taking it is for purported memory
improvements. Hopefully the ionic version will help with that!

regarding SDer's comment above - according to what I've read on
PUBMED, it appears that both calcium and magnesium will work to
maintain smooth muscle tone.

- j
Marshall Price - 16 Apr 2008 20:52 GMT
>> Magnesium tends to
>> increase muscle tone and calcium to lower it, but the devil's in the
>> details.
>
> Actually I think it's the opposite.

Why do you say that?  Did you check out the symptoms of hyper- and hypo-
-magnesemia and -calcemia in the Merck Manual?  Hypocalcemia, for
example, can lead to tetany.

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SDer - 19 Apr 2008 00:58 GMT
>>> Magnesium tends to
>>> increase muscle tone and calcium to lower it, but the devil's in the
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> -magnesemia and -calcemia in the Merck Manual?  Hypocalcemia, for
> example, can lead to tetany.

My personal experience, and what I have read so far, agree that magnesium
helps muscles relax while calcium makes them contract.
Marshall Price - 27 Apr 2008 01:25 GMT
>>>> Magnesium tends to
>>>> increase muscle tone and calcium to lower it, but the devil's in the
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> My personal experience, and what I have read so far, agree that magnesium
> helps muscles relax while calcium makes them contract.

  Sometimes I take a couple Tums to help me feel sleepy, especially
when I forget to take them during the day.

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harpersnotes - 30 Apr 2008 04:23 GMT
The milk of magnesia formula I have has magnesium hydroxide.

One teaspoon contains about 525 mg of magnesium.

Three teaspoons is the recommended level for use as
an antacid.

Three to four ~tablespoons~ is the recommended adult
dose as a laxative.

Partly for the antacid effect and partly for the magnesium,
I sometimes take a teaspoon in water along with vitamin
C or aspirin, -when I'm taking them on an empty stomach
which is usually the case as I'm trying to eat a very limited
number of meals.

 Milk of magnesia is incredibly inexpensive- but I do worry
a little bit about the form and all.

 Many years ago I read in the Linus Pauling Institute
protocols for megadosing of C for cancer the diarrhea test,
or some such name. Basically, you increase the dosage
until you get diarrhea and then cut back. I've been kind of
expecting to use that to make sure I don't get too much
magnesium, but apparently I haven't come close to the
laxative effect yet.

Richard

> I'm taking ionic magnesium for its perported memory enhancing benefits
> as well as helping sleep. I'm taking 300mg at night before bed and
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>
> JayDee
Szczepan Bialek - 30 Apr 2008 08:57 GMT
>  Many years ago I read in the Linus Pauling Institute
protocols for megadosing of C for cancer the diarrhea test,
or some such name. Basically, you increase the dosage
until you get diarrhea and then cut back. I've been kind of
expecting to use that to make sure I don't get too much
magnesium, but apparently I haven't come close to the
laxative effect yet.

Twenty years ago John Schneider discoverd that C and Epsom salt (magnesium
sulphate) cure all cancers. It seems that magnesium sulphate is better than
magnesium hydroxide. In nowadays thy sulphur is defficient in air and soil
so also in the body. Epsom salt is a natural component of unrafined sea
salt. Recccomended dose of Epsom salt  is 3g per day. If you need more "you
increase the dosage until you get diarrhea and then cut back"
S*
Mr-Natural-Health - 01 May 2008 00:33 GMT
> I'm taking ionic magnesium for its perported memory enhancing benefits
> as well as helping sleep. I'm taking 300mg at night before bed and
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> supplement without a calcium one, or if I'm going to be throwing
> something off...

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