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French paradox redux? US vs. French on being full (again)

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crisology - 26 Mar 2008 00:08 GMT
I lost the thread when I tried responding through email so I am sorry
for not linking to the original thread

> On Mar 4, 3:46 am, Taka <taka0...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> French paradox redux? US vs. French on being full
>>
>> It's the French paradox redux: Why don't the French get as fat as
>> Americans, considering all the baguettes, wine, cheese, pate and
>> pastries they eat?
>>
>> Because they use internal cues -- such as no longer feeling hungry --
>> to stop eating, reports a new Cornell study.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7328492/
the number of children 18 and under in single-parent households has
increased over the past three decades. In 1975, about 17 percent of
children lived in single-parent households. By 2003, that number had
increased to 27.5 percent, with most of the increase occurring in the
1980s.
--------------------------------------------
Divorce and Diet
The Relationship Between Childhood Obesity and Single Parent
Households
Laura Paul

http://www.danecan.org/nutrition/divorceanddiet.pdf
According to obesity researchers, the rate of overweight and obese
children has doubled in the past two decades. The Centers for Disease
Control and Prevention reports that 15% of children and adolescents
ages 6-19 are overweight, and the rate is higher for children who live
in single parent households.

In fact, children raised by single parents are more likely to be
overweight than those in 2-parent families according to a national
study published in the International Journal of Obesity last year.
They studied more than 7000 children between the ages of 7 and 11 and
found that those raised by one parent were 40% more likely to be
overweight.

Experts speculate single parents are on a tighter budget and cannot
afford dance lessons for their children or more expensive health
foods. They may use television as a babysitter. Another explanation
has to do with the guilt factor. Many single parents may feel sorry
for their children after a broken marriage, compensating for it by
feeding them extra food being lenient about exercise or indulging
their sweet cravings.

Percentage of New Marriages which End in Divorce, in Selected
Countries (2002)
Country     Divorces (as % of marriages)

United States      45.8
Denmark
Belgium
Austria
Czech Republic
Russia
United Kingdom
Norway
Ukraine
Iceland
Germany
Lithuania
France                38.3

In this study US was ranked 6th for divorce rate but divorce would be
one of many factors for overeating, most of which seem to me linked
with emotional factors. The types of weight gaining/unhealthy foods
chosen also relates to emotional factors from divorce, attempts of
emotional fulfillment, advertising, peer pressure, lack of
proprioception to addiction to galanin/casomorphin/sugar substitutes/
caffein and alcohol links w/obesity. Are the "cues to stop eating" as
strong as the addiction?

>> How many times have I publicly advised:
> >To lose weight, all you have to do is STOP eating?

All an alcoholic has to do is STOP drinking.

If you see behavior of kids in some US public high schools (where coke/
skittles/pizza/doughnuts are used to raise funds for different
programs and sold on campus, eaten in classes randomly without
enforcing rules or the ability to enforce rules not to eat) around
feeding on these fake foods, I don't know how you can call it anything
but addiction. Telling them to stop eating doesn't work. Teachers are
not eating much better and of course have physiques to match. Is this
really as common in France?
Marshall Price - 26 Mar 2008 01:25 GMT
> I lost the thread when I tried responding through email so I am sorry
> for not linking to the original thread
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> not eating much better and of course have physiques to match. Is this
> really as common in France?

In discussing the diet I enjoyed while living in France, I neglected to
mention that those meals were calm, sociable experiences, and that we
had free time after them before going back to work.

There was never any rush to get anywhere on time, nor any stressful
controversy at the table.  For a whole month, I was oblivious of world
events.  If I recall correctly, Andrew Weil recommended "news fasts,"
avoiding news broadcasts for awhile.

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monty1945@lycos.com - 26 Mar 2008 04:53 GMT
All I eat is "saturated fat:" cheese is my main source of protein, and
I eat a lot of butter, coconut, and items rich in SFAs (such as
cookies that have fat contents of at least 75% or so SFAs).  I do not
cook any food (except for a boiled egg once a week or so).  I eat
pickled cabbage but no other vegetable.  My main fruits are raisins
and bananas.  I eat plenty of dark chocolate.  If you want to
understand why I, a person who was a vegan for health reasons for 12
years, decided to switch to such a supposedly unhealthy diet, you can
read my short essays, which include many citations/quotations from the
scientific literature, on my free site:

http://groups.msn.com/TheScientificDebateForum-
monty1945@lycos.com - 26 Mar 2008 06:56 GMT
To sum up my most important point, it's all about inflammation, which
is best described as arachidonic acid overload, or something along
those lines.  You can get this dangerous molecule out of your body, as
I did, with simple dietary changes, but most "experts" are still
telling people that it's "essential," despite that notion being
refuted directly at M.I.T. in the 1940s.  Another good site is
biologist Ray Peat's, which is:

www.raypeat.com
Marshall Price - 26 Mar 2008 10:28 GMT
> To sum up my most important point, it's all about inflammation, which
> is best described as arachidonic acid overload, or something along
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>
> www.raypeat.com

It may be a good idea to remediate pathological inflammatory conditions
this way, but pain and inflammation are important aspects of healthy
immune systems.  See, for example, the article I cited recently in the
February 16, 2008 issue of "Science News," "Swell, a Pain Lesson."

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monty1945@lycos.com - 26 Mar 2008 21:18 GMT
My inflammation is fine, but the difference is that when I get a cut
now, for example, the inflammation only lasts a couple of hours or so,
when it used to last several days - that is the difference between
having AA in your cells and having the natural Mead acid in your
cells.  If you are having trouble getting to my site, you can do a
google search for thescientificdebateforum

The first page should be the home page.  I'll also point out that I'm
the only thin one in my family.  The difference?  I avoid PUFAs, eat
antioxidant-rich food (raisins and dark chocolate) with every meal,
and the only "meat" I eat is gelatin (avoiding things like HCAs,
generated from combining cooked meat and PUFAs in the same meal, which
is now the "norm").
Marshall Price - 27 Mar 2008 02:37 GMT
> My inflammation is fine, but the difference is that when I get a cut
> now, for example, the inflammation only lasts a couple of hours or so,
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> generated from combining cooked meat and PUFAs in the same meal, which
> is now the "norm").

Google gave me a URL ending in a hyphen:

http://groups.msn.com/TheScientificDebateForum-

I'll look into it.

Meanwhile, I have a friend who's recently confessed to being a Christian
Scientist, whose mother was a practitioner (healer).  He avoids gelatin
like the plague!  He also considers "cooked sucrose" (whatever that is)
to be poison.  I've been trying to find out more about the molecules
created by heating sucrose, and it turns out to be quite complicated,
but I still haven't found a comprehensive treatment.

Do you take gelatin in the form of Knox granules?  How?

Incidentally, I learned from Eric Sloane that the early American
colonists made a file mark at the base of their fingernails at the
beginning of winter, and if it hadn't grown out by spring, that was
taken as a sign that they needed potassium (whether they knew it or not)
and should take molasses to make their nails grow faster.

I used to heal quickly and attributed it to the fact that I took zinc
regularly.  I think my fast interfered with that (as might be expected),
but now I suspect that too much zinc may antagonize copper, which in
turn may help fight off fungus infections.  Still looking for more info
about that, too.

But I'm glad I've shrunk my intestines and lost fat.  Adipose tissue
releases hormones which can cause lots of problems, including
inflammation, reduced libido in men, and excessive appetite.

I like cocoa, but suspect that Nestle may have important bitter
substances removed, since it tastes rather mild.  But I generally stay
away from sweets, such as raisins.  Raisins are rich in iron, too, which
I shy away from, partly because it can increase inflammation and free
radicals.  Instead, I take stewed prunes occasionally.  Compare the
sodium and potassium levels in raisins vs prunes sometime.

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crisology - 26 Mar 2008 08:12 GMT
On Mar 25, 11:53 pm, monty1...@lycos.com wrote:
> All I eat is "saturated fat:" cheese is my main source of protein, and
> I eat a lot of butter, coconut, and items rich in SFAs (such as
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> http://groups.msn.com/TheScientificDebateForum-

Even though I attributed less congestion/no flu/no colds to dropping
dairy and I feel lighter/less sluggish in general w/no perceived loss
of recovery time after frequent aerobic/anaerobic exercise, I'm giving
your site a read since you seem open minded yourself but so far I
haven't found it natural in terms of how I feel/what little I
understand about dairy nutrition after adulthood or in evolutionary
terms to consume cheese. Organic coconut/dark chocolate are staples in
my diet too. I also grow bananas among other fruit. I eat wild fruit
sometimes in a forest behind me in Florida at times and try to eat
monotrophic small meals and gradually cooking less. Thanks for the
sites.
Marshall Price - 26 Mar 2008 10:20 GMT
> All I eat is "saturated fat:" cheese is my main source of protein, and
> I eat a lot of butter, coconut, and items rich in SFAs (such as
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> http://groups.msn.com/TheScientificDebateForum-

Could that link be broken?  It didn't work just now.

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Marshall Price - 27 Mar 2008 02:40 GMT
>> All I eat is "saturated fat:" cheese is my main source of protein, and
>> I eat a lot of butter, coconut, and items rich in SFAs (such as
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
> Could that link be broken?  It didn't work just now.

The problem's with Thunderbird.  For some reason, it ignores the
trailing hyphen!

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