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How carbs drive fat into fat tissue (Gary Taubes lecture)
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Taka - 03 Mar 2008 13:29 GMT Here is an interesting lecture by Gary Taubes worth watching:
http://webcast.berkeley.edu/event_details.php?webcastid=21216
An interesting point he makes is that only sugar (both glucose and fructose) can be converted into the "alpha glycerol phosphate" which is essential for any fatty acid storage. Also he says that this fat storage is so powerful that even expecting mothers consuming high carbs are holding on their fat stores to such an extent that their children are born skinny.
Now I can imagine what happens when we consume carbs together with PUFAs - the PUFAs go right to the storage !!! Imagine that your adipose tissue releases these unstable fatty acids when you are under some stress or suffering from disease like cancer ... It would be considerably less dangerous to consume only saturated fat with carbohydrates and leave the "EFAs" for the low carb meals. Then you would have only inert safe molecules in the "gasoline tank".
Taka
ironjustice - 04 Mar 2008 22:14 GMT On Mar 3, 5:29 am, Taka <taka0...@gmail.com> wrote:Now I can imagine what happens when we consume carbs together with PUFA <<
http://tinyurl.com/239o6b "Plant-derived PUFAs require desaturation to form EPA and DHA"
Now since PUFAs are found in plants .. and carbohydrates are ALSO found in plants .. what you are in effect .. saying IS .. "I wonder what happens when someone eats a piece of .. fruit."
I can tell you ..
He will become .. healthier for .. it ..
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> Here is an interesting lecture by Gary Taubes worth watching: > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Taka Taka - 08 Mar 2008 09:40 GMT Some short videos related to the topic:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8WA5wcaHp4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbFQc2kxm9c&feature=related
Ron Peterson - 08 Mar 2008 20:22 GMT > http://tinyurl.com/239o6b > "Plant-derived PUFAs require desaturation to form EPA and DHA" The article fails to mention that soybean oil and canola oil also contain omega 3 fatty acids.
> Now since PUFAs are found in plants .. and carbohydrates are ALSO > found in plants .. what you are in effect .. saying IS .. "I wonder > what happens when someone eats a piece of .. fruit." Fruit normally is low in PUFAs, so what is in fruit (and vegetables) that is so healthful?
-- Ron
allr1@webtv.net - 08 Mar 2008 21:30 GMT ron@shell.core.com (Ron Peterson) wrote:
" Fruit normally is low in PUFAs, so what is in fruit (and vegetables) that is so healthful? "
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It's an ASSumption that fruit and vegatables ARE healthful.
Taka - 09 Mar 2008 11:41 GMT On Mar 9, 6:30 am, al...@webtv.net wrote:
> " Fruit normally is low in PUFAs, so what is in fruit (and vegetables) > that is so healthful? " [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > It's an ASSumption that fruit and vegatables > ARE healthful. Placebo effect is quite strong but there are still more vitamins, minerals and antioxidants in them than in the refined foods like grains and oils. But if the body is built more resistant to oxidative damage and without the arachidonic acid which is a hair-trigger for most inflammatory maladies there is no need for any external antioxidants.
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allr1@webtv.net - 12 Mar 2008 15:02 GMT " Placebo effect is quite strong but there are still more vitamins, minerals and antioxidants in them than in the refined foods like grains and oils. But if the body is built more resistant to oxidative damage and without the arachidonic acid which is a hair-trigger for most inflammatory maladies there is no need for any external antioxidants. "
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Antioxidants, which were heralded as a 'good thing', have recently been shown to not be as beneficial as previously thought.
And, if one is in a very alkaline state, most fruits and vegetables will exacerbate that state.
IMO, paying attention to ones pH balance is more important than focusing on the minutiae of micro-nutrients, especially if the digestive tract is the main supplier of nutrients, from food's fermentation.
ironjustice - 19 Mar 2008 02:01 GMT On Mar 8, 1:22 pm, Ron Peterson <r...@shell.core.com> wrote:Fruitnormally is low in PUFAs, so what is infruit(and vegetables) that is so healthful? <<
It seems those iron chelating properties found in sulforaphane and dibenxoylmethane may have something to do with it.
Cancer Research 67, 9937-9944, October 15, 2007. doi: 10.1158/0008-5472.CAN-07-1112 (c) 2007 American Association for Cancer Research
Experimental Therapeutics, Molecular Targets, and Chemical Biology
Chemoprevention of Familial Adenomatous Polyposis by Natural Dietary Compounds Sulforaphane and Dibenzoylmethane Alone and in Combination in ApcMin/+ Mouse Guoxiang Shen1,2, Tin Oo Khor1,2, Rong Hu1,2, Siwang Yu1,2, Sujit Nair1,2, Chi-Tang Ho1,4, Bandaru S. Reddy1,3, Mou-Tuan Huang3, Harold L. Newmark1,3 and Ah-Ng Tony Kong1,2 1 Center for Cancer Prevention Research, 2 Department of Pharmaceutics, Ernest Mario School of Pharmacy, and 3 Susan Lehman Cullman Laboratory for Cancer Research, Ernest Mario School of Pharmacy, Rutgers, The State University of New Jersey, Piscataway, New Jersey and 4 Department of Food Science, Rutgers, The State University of New Jersey, New Brunswick, New Jersey
Requests for reprints: Ah-Ng Tony Kong, Department of Pharmaceutics, Ernest Mario School of Pharmacy, Rutgers, The State University of New Jersey, 160 Frelinghuysen Road, Piscataway, NJ 08854. Phone: 732-445-3831, ext. 228; Fax: 732-445-3134; E-mail: KongT@rci.rutgers.edu.
Cancer chemopreventive agent sulforaphane (SFN) and dibenzoylmethane (DBM) showed antitumorigenesis effects in several rodent carcinogenesis models. In this study, we investigated the cancer chemopreventive effects and the underlying molecular mechanisms of dietary administration of SFN and DBM alone or in combination in the ApcMin/+ mice model. Male ApcMin/+ mice (12 per group) at age of 5 weeks were given control AIN-76A diet, diets containing 600 ppm SFN and 1.0% DBM, or a combination of 300 ppm SFN and 0.5% DBM for 10 weeks. Mice were then sacrificed, and tumor numbers and size were examined. Microarray analysis, Western blotting, ELISA, and immunohistochemical staining were done to investigate the underlying molecular mechanisms of cancer chemopreventive effects of SFN and DBM. Dietary administrations of SFN and DBM alone or in combination significantly inhibited the development of intestinal adenomas by 48% (P = 0.002), 50% (P = 0.001), and 57% (P < 0.001), respectively. Dietary administration of 600 ppm SFN and 1.0% DBM also reduced colon tumor numbers by 80% (P = 0.016) and 60% (P = 0.103), respectively, whereas the combination of SFN and DBM treatment blocked the colon tumor development (P = 0.002). Both SFN and DBM treatments resulted in decreased levels of prostaglandin E2 or leukotriene B4 in intestinal polyps or apparently normal mucosa. Treatments also led to the inhibition of cell survival and growth- related signaling pathways (such as Akt and extracellular signal- regulated kinase) or biomarkers (such as cyclooxygenase-2, proliferating cell nuclear antigen, cleaved caspases, cyclin D1, and p21). In conclusion, our results showed that both SFN and DBM alone as well as their combination are potent natural dietary compounds for chemoprevention of gastrointestinal cancers. [Cancer Res 2007;67(20):9937-44]
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> >http://tinyurl.com/239o6b > > "Plant-derived PUFAs require desaturation to form EPA and DHA" [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > -- > Ron Ron Peterson - 19 Mar 2008 20:39 GMT > On Mar 8, 1:22 pm, Ron Peterson <r...@shell.core.com> > wrote:Fruitnormally is low in PUFAs, so what is infruit(and > vegetables) that is so healthful? <<
> It seems those iron chelating properties found in sulforaphane and > dibenxoylmethane may have something to do with it. I was thinking more along the lines of atherosclerosis than cancer since cancer usually has later onset.
For example, http://jn.nutrition.org/cgi/content/full/136/7/1886 states: "Although the pathway(s) involved remain uncertain, the results indicate that a diet rich in green and yellow vegetables inhibits the development of atherosclerosis and may therefore lead to a reduction in the risk of coronary heart disease."
Other studies show that fruit also has benefit with citrus fruits being particularly effective, but it seems that it is difficult to identify the nutritional factors that are in operation.
-- Ron
ironjustice - 19 Mar 2008 21:04 GMT On Mar 19, 12:39 pm, Ron Peterson <r...@shell.core.com> wrote:Other studies show that fruit also has benefit with citrus fruits being particularly effective, but it seems that it is difficult to identify the nutritional factors that are in operation.<<
Why Can Grapefruit Interfere With Some Medications? Main Category: Pharmacy / Pharmacist Also Included In: Nutrition / Diet; Biology / Biochemistry Article Date: 19 Mar 2008 - 2:00 PDT
People are discouraged from consuming grapefruits or grapefruit juice while taking certain medications because they can affect the way the medications are metabolized. Now scientists are closer to understanding why this dangerous interaction occurs. Johns Hopkins Health Alerts reports on the latest research.
New York, NY (PRWEB) March 13, 2008 --Johns Hopkins Health Alerts' recent Prescription Drug Health Alert reported on new research regarding the reason why grapefruit juice can potentially cause a dangerous interaction with certain of the medications you take.
FOOD AND DRUG INTERACTIONS
Certain foods and drinks don't mix well with certain medications. For example, grapefruits or grapefruit juice may interact badly with a number of medications, because natural grapefruit contains a substance that affects the activity of an enzyme in the intestines and liver that processes these medications. This could result in a dangerous increase in the level of the drug in your blood.
Another potentially dangerous interaction is between the blood thinner warfarin (Coumadin and generic brands) and vitamin K. The vitamin, present in many multivitamins and supplements, neutralizes or reduces the effect of the medication warfarin. This raises the risk of a blood clot, which the warfarin is intended to prevent.
GRAPEFRUIT AND DRUG INTERACTIONS
Now scientists have identified the specific chemical in grapefruit juice responsible for many drug-food interactions, according to an article in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition (Volume 83, page 1097).
Previous research implicated a family of chemical compounds called furanocoumarins (FCs) as the culprit in grapefruit juice. To confirm this suspicion, the scientists created FC-free grapefruit juice and compared its effects with those of whole grapefruit juice or orange juice (the control group in the study).
GRAPEFRUIT AND DRUG INTERACTION STUDY
Eighteen study volunteers drank 8 oz of whole or FC-free juice along with a dose of felodipine (Plendil), a blood pressure medication.
The blood concentration of Plendil was nearly THREE times higher when people took it with 8 ounces of whole grapefruit juice, compared with blood levels after subjects took it with the FC-free grapefruit juice or orange juice (the control group in the study).
This means that the blood level of Plendil was higher when taken with whole grapefruit juice, potentially causing dangerously low blood pressure.
The researchers said their finding could assist in the study of other drug-food interactions.
Grapefruit has also been known to diminish the absorption of some drugs in the body. So always follow the guidelines given on your medications with regard to food and drug interactions.
One further note: In reference to the control group in the study, regular orange juice was found to be safe to drink with Plendil. However, you may want to avoid Seville oranges in juice or marmalade, as they are the only type of oranges to contain furanocoumarins.
You can learn more about the latest research on prescription drugs in the annual Johns Hopkins Prescription Drug White Paper: The Johns Hopkins White Paper: Prescription Drugs
Medical Disclaimer: This information is not intended to substitute for the advice of a physician.
http://www.johnshopkinshealthalerts.com
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> > On Mar 8, 1:22 pm, Ron Peterson <r...@shell.core.com> > > wrote:Fruitnormally is low in PUFAs, so what is infruit(and [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > -- > Ron ironjustice - 19 Mar 2008 21:27 GMT difficult to identify the nutritional factors that are in operation <<
Cytochrome P450 inhibition?
"Discovery of new, inexpensive, CYP3A4 inhibitors"
CYP3A4 inhibitors isolated from a marine derived fungus Penicillium speciesAccession number;07A0265199 Title;CYP3A4 inhibitors isolated from a marine derived fungus Penicillium species Author;EL-BEIH AHMED ATEF(Kanazawa Univ., Kanazawa, Jpn) KATO HIKARU(Kanazawa Univ., Kanazawa, Jpn) TSUKAMOTO SACHIKO(Kanazawa Univ., Kanazawa, Jpn) OHTA TOMIHISA(Kanazawa Univ., Kanazawa, Jpn) Journal Title;J Nat Med
Journal Code:L5856A
ISSN:1340-3443
VOL.61;NO.2;PAGE.175-177(2007) Figure&Table&Reference; Pub. Country;Japan Language;English Abstract;More than 50% of clinically used drugs are thought to be metabolized by cytochrome P450 (CYP) 3A4. Discovery of new, inexpensive, CYP3A4 inhibitors will reduce drug dosages needed to cure patients. In our search for new inhibitors of the enzyme CYP3A4, extracts from 102 marine fungi were screened. Seven of the extracts had potent CYP3A4 inhibitory activity. Four aromatic compounds were isolated from an extract of a culture of one of these, a Penicillium sp., and were identified as 3-methoxyphenol (1), 4-methoxyphenylacetic acid (2), 4-(2-hydroxyethyl)phenol (3), and 4-hydroxy-2- methoxyacetanilide (4) by use of spectroscopic data. Interestingly, compound 3 at 250 .MU.g mL'-1' did not inhibit CYP3A4 whereas compounds 1, 2 and 4 had CYP inhibitory activity with IC50 values of 2.0, 1.6 and 0.41 .MU.g mL'-1', respectively. ---------------------------------
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bergamottin#_note-2
Bergamottin From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Bergamottin is a natural furanocoumarin found principally in grapefruit juice. It is also found in the oil of bergamot, from which it was first isolated and from which its name is derived. To a lesser extent, bergamottin is also present in the essential oils of other citrus fruits. Along with the chemically related compound 6',7'- dihydroxybergamottin, it is believed to be responsible for the grapefruit juice effect in which the consumption of the juice affects the metabolism of a variety of pharmaceutical drugs.
Normally, the grapefruit juice effect is considered to be a negative interaction, and patients are often warned not to consume grapefruit or its juice when taking medication. However, some current research is focused on the potential benefits of cytochrome P450 inhibition.[3]
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> On Mar 19, 12:39 pm, Ron Peterson <r...@shell.core.com> wrote:Other > studies show that fruit [quoted text clipped - 114 lines] > > - Show quoted text - ironjustice - 19 Mar 2008 21:41 GMT Cytochrome P450 inhibition? <<
"Kaempferol is an inhibitor of CYP3A"
1: Biopharm Drug Dispos. 2008 Mar 12;29(4):245-249 [Epub ahead of print] Links Effects of oral kaempferol on the pharmacokinetics of tamoxifen and one of its metabolites, 4-hydroxytamoxifen, after oral administration of tamoxifen to rats.Piao Y, Shin SC, Choi JS. College of Pharmacy, Chosun University, Gwangju, Republic of Korea.
It has been reported that tamoxifen is a substrate of P-glycoprotein (P-gp) and microsomal cytochrome P450 (CYP) 3A, and kaempferol is an inhibitor of P-gp and CYP3A. Hence, it could be expected that kaempferol would affect the pharmacokinetics of tamoxifen. Thus, tamoxifen was administered orally (10 mg/kg) without or with oral kaempferol (2.5 and 10 mg/kg). In the presence of kaempferol, the total area under the plasma concentration-time curve from time zero to time infinity (AUC) of tamoxifen was significantly greater, C(max) was significantly higher and F was considerably greater than those without kaempferol. The enhanced bioavailability of oral tamoxifen by oral kaempferol could have been due to an inhibition of CYP3A and P-gp by kaempferol. The presence of kaempferol did not alter the pharmacokinetic parameters of a metabolite of tamoxifen, 4- hydroxytamoxifen. This could have been because the contribution of CYP3A to the formation of 4-hydroxytamoxifen is not considerable in rats. Copyright (c) 2008 John Wiley & Sons, Ltd.
PMID: 18338336 [PubMed - as supplied by publisher]
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J. Phys. Chem. B, 112 (6), 1845 -1850, 2008. 10.1021/jp076881e S1520-6106(07)06881-2 Web Release Date: January 23, 2008 Copyright © 2008 American Chemical Society
Complexation of Flavonoids with Iron: Structure and Optical Signatures Jun Ren, Sheng Meng, Ch. E. Lekka, and Efthimios Kaxiras* Department of Physics and School of Engineering and Applied Sciences, Harvard University, Cambridge, Massachusetts 02138, and Department of Materials Science and Engineering, University of Ioannina, Ioannina 45110, Greece Received: August 28, 2007 In Final Form: October 31, 2007 Abstract: Flavonoids exhibit antioxidant behavior believed to be related to their metal ion chelation ability. We investigate the complexation mechanism of several flavonoids, quercetin, luteolin, galangin, kaempferol, and chrysin, with iron, the most abundant type of metal ions in the body, through first-principles electronic structure calculations based on density functional theory (DFT). We find that the most likely chelation site for Fe is the 3-hydroxyl-4-carbonyl group, followed by 4-carbonyl-5-hydroxyl group and the 3'-4' hydroxyl (if present) for all of the flavonoid molecules studied. Three quercetin molecules are required to saturate the bonds of a single Fe ion by forming six orthogonal Fe-O bonds, though the binding energy per molecule is highest for complexes consisting of two quercetin molecules and one Fe atom, in agreement with experiment. Optical absorption spectra calculated with time-dependent DFT serve as signatures to identify various complexes. For the iron-quercetin complexes, we find a redshift of the first absorbance peak upon complexation in good agreement with experiment; this behavior is explained by the narrowing of the optical gap of quercetin because of Fe(d)-O(p) orbital hybridization.
http://pubs.acs.org/cgi-bin/abstract.cgi/jpcbfk/2008/112/i06/abs/jp07...
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From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Kaempferol Kaempferol is a natural flavonoid that has been isolated from tea,[1] broccoli, Delphinium, Witch-hazel, grapefruit, and other plant sources.
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> difficult to > identify the nutritional factors that are in operation << [quoted text clipped - 184 lines] > > - Show quoted text - ironjustice - 20 Mar 2008 14:21 GMT On Mar 19, 1:41 pm, ironjustice <ironjust...@cashette.com> wrote:Cytochrome P450 inhibition? <<
A curious thing here is .. quercitin also inhibits Cytochrome P450 and quercitin is a premiere iron chelator.
Sooo .. is it the flavonoids which the "studies show that fruit also has benefit with citrus fruits being particularly effective" ..?
Iron binding / chelating .. ?
Int J Pharm. 2006 Apr 26;313(1-2):144-9. Epub 2006 Mar 3. Links Enhanced bioavailability of tamoxifen after oral administration of tamoxifen with quercetin in rats. Shin SC, Choi JS, Li X. College of Pharmacy, Chonnam National University, Bukgu, Gwangju 500-757, Republic of Korea.
Orally administered tamoxifen undergoes a first-pass metabolism and substrates for multidrug resistance (MDR) transporters efflux in the liver and intestines, which obstructs its systemic exposure. This study investigated the effect of quercetin, a dual inhibitor of CYP3A4 and P-gp, on the bioavailability and pharmacokinetics of tamoxifen and one of its metabolites, 4-hydroxytamoxifen, in rats. The pharmacokinetic parameters of tamoxifen and 4-hydroxytamoxifen in plasma were determined after orally administering tamoxifen (10 mg/kg) with or without quercetin (2.5, 7.5 and 15 mg/kg). The coadministration of quercetin (2.5 and 7.5 mg/kg) significantly (p < 0.05) increased the absorption rate constant (K(a)), peak concentration (C(max)) and the areas under the plasma concentration- time curve (AUC) of tamoxifen. The absolute bioavailability (AB%) of tamoxifen with 2.5 and 7.5 mg/kg quercetin ranged from 18.0% to 24.1%, which was significantly higher than the control group, 15.0% (p < 0.05). The relative bioavailability (RB%) of tamoxifen coadministered with quercetin was 1.20-1.61 times higher than the control group. The coadministration of quercetin caused no significant changes in the terminal half-life (t(1/2)) and the time to reach the peak concentration (T(max)) of tamoxifen. Compared with the control group, the coadministration of 7.5 mg/kg quercetin significantly (p < 0.05) increased the AUC of 4- hydroxytamoxifen. However, the metabolite ratios (MR; AUC of 4-hydroxytamoxifen to tamoxifen) were significantly lower (p < 0.05). This suggests that quercetin inhibits the both MDR transporters efflux and first-pass metabolism of tamoxifen. The enhanced bioavailability of tamoxifen as a result of its coadministration with quercetin might be due to the effect of quercetin promoting the intestinal absorption and reducing the first- pass metabolism of tamoxifen. If the results are further confirmed in the clinical trials, the tamoxifen dosage should be adjusted when tamoxifen is administered with quercetin or quercetin-containing dietary supplements in order to avoid potential drug interactions.
PMID: 16516418 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] ----------------
**Therapeutic outcome was coincident with more efficient iron clearance, suggesting that one possible mechanism whereby quercetin decreases secondary damage is through iron chelation**
J Neurotrauma. 2003 Jun;20(6):583-591. Related Articles, Links
Quercetin Promotes Functional Recovery Following Acute Spinal Cord Injury.
Schultke E, Kendall E, Kamencic H, Ghong Z, Griebel RW, Juurlink BH.
Department of Anatomy and Cell Biology, and Department of Surgery, Division of Neurosurgery, University of Saskatchewan, Saskatoon, Canada.
We tested the hypothesis that quercetin, a potent Fe(2+)-chelating flavonoid, would decrease secondary damage following spinal cord trauma. MRI studies using the relaxation of the T1 proton signal caused by Fe(2+) ions and the dose-dependent reversal of this effect by addition of quercetin in aqueous solution were used to guide us to the dosage of quercetin to be used in animal experimentations. Forty-four male Wistar rats were used in two experimental series to test the hypothesis that administration of quercetin improves recovery of motor function after acute traumatic spinal cord injury. Animals were subjected to laminectomy and subjected to an extradural 40-g force clip compression for 5 sec at T7. Quercetin or saline was administered intraperitoneally 1 h after injury and then every 12 hr thereafter. Recovery of motor function was assessed using BBB scores at weekly intervals for 4 weeks. A dose of 2.5 micromoles quercetin/kg body weight did not result in significantly better functional outcome, whereas doses ranging from 5 to 100 micromoles quercetin/kg body weight resulted in a significantly better functional outcome with half or more of the animals walking, although with deficit; in contrast, no animals walked in the group of saline-treated animals. No significant differences in behavioral outcome were seen amongst the doses ranging from 5 to 100 micromol/kg, nor was there a difference if animals were treated for 4 or 10 days. Therapeutic outcome was coincident with more efficient iron clearance, suggesting that one possible mechanism whereby quercetin decreases secondary damage is through iron chelation.
PMID: 12906742 [PubMed - as supplied by publisher]
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> Cytochrome P450 inhibition? << > [quoted text clipped - 222 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Mr-Natural-Health - 09 Mar 2008 19:22 GMT Is that carb, a Ford or a Chevy?
In America, where English is spoken by a few, the correct spelling is C-A-R.
You get FAT from eating food.
That is spelled F-O-O-D, in any form. No matter where you are from or where you live.
Just thought that the Ding-A-Ling might want to know that excess calories over your phyiscal level of activity is what makes fat tissues even fattier.
Taka - 10 Mar 2008 06:02 GMT On Mar 10, 3:22 am, Mr-Natural-Health <john-h- go...@naturalhealthperspective.com> wrote:
> Is that carb, a Ford or a Chevy? > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > calories over your phyiscal level of activity is what makes fat > tissues even fattier. Wrong, have you seen the Gary Taubes video or red his book? Not calories but the body SETPOINT is what determines your fatness ... The biochemistry is too good to be fooled simply by calories. Hormones and insulin play major roles. "carbs" stands for carbohydrates or sugar if you like.
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Mr-Natural-Health - 10 Mar 2008 11:41 GMT > On Mar 10, 3:22 am, Mr-Natural-Health <john-h- > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > Hormones and insulin play major roles. "carbs" stands for > carbohydrates or sugar if you like. You and your delusions have my condolences.
STOP eating and you will positively starve to death.
Think about it!
allr1@webtv.net - 12 Mar 2008 15:09 GMT " Is that carb, a Ford or a Chevy?
In America, where English is spoken by a few, the correct spelling is C-A-R.
You get FAT from eating food.
That is spelled F-O-O-D, in any form. No matter where you are from or where you live.
Just thought that the Ding-A-Ling might want to know that excess calories over your phyiscal level of activity is what makes fat tissues even fattier. "
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I wouldn't say it's as cut and dried as that.
Some 'carbs' are starches, which can actually help burn fat due to the way they're digested.
Then there's the Insulin reaction which has a profound affect on fat deposition, which is why low carb diets work. (low Insulin spike)
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