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Marshall Price - 16 Feb 2008 11:33 GMT
It's been known for a long time that coffee interferes with magnesium
and thiamine absorption.

What other nutrients is it likely to interfere with?

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Mr-Natural-Health - 16 Feb 2008 19:20 GMT
> It's been known for a long time that coffee interferes with magnesium
> and thiamine absorption.
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> Marshall Price of Miami
> Known to Yahoo as d021317c

Fe - iron:  Polyphenols present in coffee and tea inhibited iron
absorption in a dose-dependent manner.

Zijp IM, Korver O, Tijburg LB.
Effect of tea and other dietary factors on iron absorption.
Crit Rev Food Sci Nutr. 2000 Sep;40(5):371-98. Review.
PMID: 11029010
Mr-Natural-Health - 16 Feb 2008 19:59 GMT
> > It's been known for a long time that coffee interferes with magnesium
> > and thiamine absorption.
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> Crit Rev Food Sci Nutr. 2000 Sep;40(5):371-98. Review.
> PMID: 11029010

And, I will add Zinc.

Van Dyck K, Tas S, Robberecht H, Deelstra H.
The influence of different food components on the in vitro
availability of iron, zinc and calcium from a composed meal.
Int J Food Sci Nutr. 1996 Nov;47(6):499-506.
PMID: 8933204
Marshall Price - 17 Feb 2008 05:51 GMT
>>> It's been known for a long time that coffee interferes with magnesium
>>> and thiamine absorption.
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> Int J Food Sci Nutr. 1996 Nov;47(6):499-506.
> PMID: 8933204

I'm having a bit of trouble understanding what polyphenols are.
According to The American Heritage Science Dictionary (
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/polyphenol ), they contain two or more
benzene rings, but according to Merriam-Webster (
http://aolsvc.merriam-webster.aol.com/dictionary/polyphenol ), they are
polyhydroxy phenols!  Does "poly" refer to the presence of more than one
phenol group, or to more than one hydroxyl group?

Incidentally, according to an article in the United Nations University
Bulletin ( http://www.unu.edu/Unupress/food/V191e/ch02.htm ), vitamin A
reduces the inhibition, at least in the case of iron.

Since the absorption of various divalent cations is mediated by
different mechanisms (mucosal ferritin, metallothionein, calcium-binding
protein...), I wonder whether polyphenols, phytates, and oxalates all
work similarly.

Is there something about thiamine which makes it uniquely susceptible
among vitamins to polyphenol binding?

(I don't have access to journals, but am most eager to find some
publicly accessible internet resources on these subjects.)

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Mr-Natural-Health - 17 Feb 2008 21:39 GMT
> >>> It's been known for a long time that coffee interferes with magnesium
> >>> and thiamine absorption.
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
> polyhydroxy phenols!  Does "poly" refer to the presence of more than one
> phenol group, or to more than one hydroxyl group?

http://www.beloit.edu/~nutritio/polyphenols.htm

Which was located with ...

polyphenols OR polyhydroxy "phenol group" OR "hydroxyl group"
site:.edu

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&newwindow=1&safe=off&rlz=1B2GGGL_enUS204US205
&q=polyphenols+OR+polyhydroxy+%22phenol+group%22+OR+%22hydroxyl+group%22+site%3A
.edu&btnG=Search

Marshall Price - 25 Feb 2008 04:01 GMT
>>>>> It's been known for a long time that coffee interferes with magnesium
>>>>> and thiamine absorption.
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>
> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&newwindow=1&safe=off&rlz=1B2GGGL_enUS204US205
&q=polyphenols+OR+polyhydroxy+%22phenol+group%22+OR+%22hydroxyl+group%22+site%3A
.edu&btnG=Search

Unfortunately, this is the sort of discussion I find everywhere, but not
a definition.  It addresses polyphenols as a family of compounds with
certain traits and discusses the pros and cons of consuming them.

What I seek is a definition which, given a molecular structure,
indicates clearly how to identify it as a polyphenol.

Is American Heritage right (in considering the number of benzene rings),
or Merriam-Webster (in considering the number of hydroxyl moieties)?

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Mr-Natural-Health - 26 Feb 2008 16:22 GMT
> >>>>> It's been known for a long time that coffee interferes with magnesium
> >>>>> and thiamine absorption.
[quoted text clipped - 28 lines]
> What I seek is a definition which, given a molecular structure,
> indicates clearly how to identify it as a polyphenol.

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=1006042729758
Marshall Price - 01 Mar 2008 18:38 GMT
>>>>>>> It's been known for a long time that coffee interferes with magnesium
>>>>>>> and thiamine absorption.
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>
> http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=1006042729758

Great link! Thank you.

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Mr-Natural-Health - 09 Mar 2008 06:36 GMT
> >>>>>>> It's been known for a long time that coffee interferes with magnesium
> >>>>>>> and thiamine absorption.
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>
> Great link! Thank you.

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