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Medical Forum / General / Nutrition / March 2008Vitamin supplements cause sleeplessness..
So I started to take 'One-A-Day Mens Health Formula' and I noticed that the days I took the vitamin supplement that I stayed up longer. The first night I didn't sleep at all. The second night till 4:00am (typically go to sleep around 1:00am), as I started to think it was the supplement I though I would do it every other day. Still I have a harder time falling asleep when I take the vitamin supplement. I'm curious as to why this might happen and looking for pointers if anyone knows reference materials or facts even opinions that they would be willing to share with me. Thanks Ryan > I'm curious as to why this might happen and looking for pointers if > anyone knows reference materials or facts even opinions that they would > be willing to share with me. mere coincidence does not establish causation superstitious behavior and just plain piss-poor self observational skills >> I'm curious as to why this might happen and looking for pointers if >> anyone knows reference materials or facts even opinions that they would [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > superstitious behavior > and just plain piss-poor self observational skills Sure what type of scientist never has been wrong with a hypothesis. I guess I better just dismiss my observations of this only happening when taking the pills and prior experiences of taking vitamin C in large doses. I might be wrong, I might not. What I'm asking for is information that I can waste my own time with studying. Like the simple information how of how do I test levels of vitamins in a human body? I guess if James Lind didn't suggest that lemons might stop scurvy America might have better off from the English people, oh wait maybe America wouldn't exist. Anyway I hope I don't start a flame war I just want to get some general direction to learn more, and if my observation is correct this might not be the place to do it. > >> I'm curious as to why this might happen and looking for pointers if > >> anyone knows reference materials or facts even opinions that they would [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > direction to learn more, and if my observation is correct this might not > be the place to do it. mere coincidence does not establish causation superstitious behavior and just plain piss-poor self observational skills > Anyway I hope I don't start a flame war I just want to get > some general direction to learn more, and if my observation > is correct this might not be the place to do it. I've noticed that too, but only if I take vitamins late in the day. It's not all vitamins -- A, C, and E don't bother me a bit. It seems to be the B vitamins which interfere with sleep, but I can't say which one or if it's only one. I've noticed the same thing with eating protein, so I avoid eating meat in the afternoon and evening. I don't know why vitamins would cause sleeplessness, but it's easy to understand why protein would. Amino acids are precursors for important classes of neurotransmitters. Having extra neurotransmitters may contribute to having a busy brain that won't let you go to sleep. > > Anyway I hope I don't start a flame war I just want to get > > some general direction to learn more, and if my observation [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > which interfere with sleep, but I can't say which one > or if it's only one. sleeplessness is experienced by many people. late in the day is correlated with time to go to bed and thus sleeplessness for many people. correlating the taking of vitamins late in the day with sleeplessness is the result of just plain piss poor self-observational skills. Topics to research are: superstitious behavior, the scientific method mere coincidence does not establish causation > > > Anyway I hope I don't start a flame war I just want to get > > > some general direction to learn more, and if my observation [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Topics to research are: superstitious behavior, the scientific method The association between sleeplessness and vitamins has been reported in the scientific literature, but of course there's no way you would know that. Sleep Med. 2007 Dec;9(1):27-32. Epub 2007 Sep 6. Vitamins and sleep: an exploratory study. Lichstein KL, Payne KL, Soeffing JP, Heith Durrence H, Taylor DJ, Riedel BW, Bush AJ. The University of Alabama, Department of Psychology, Sleep Research Project, Box 870348, Tuscaloosa, AL 35487-0348, USA. STUDY OBJECTIVE: We analyzed archival data from an epidemiology study to test the association between vitamin use and sleep. DESIGN: Random digit dialing was used to recruit 772 people ranging in age from 20 to 98 for a study of people's sleep experience. These individuals completed a set of questionnaires about their sleep, health, and daytime functioning. Five hundred and nineteen of these participants had available vitamin use data. SETTING: Home. PARTICIPANTS: Five hundred and nineteen people participated. Recruitment applied minimal screening criteria and no attempt was made to favor people with or without sleep disturbance. INTERVENTIONS: This survey included no intervention. Participants completed 2 weeks of sleep diaries and a set of questionnaires. Of particular salience to the present study, participants reported their vitamin use in listing all medications and nutritional supplements being used currently. MEASUREMENTS AND RESULTS: For those individuals taking a multivitamin or multiple single vitamins, sleep diaries revealed poorer sleep compared to non-vitamin users in the number and duration of awakenings during the night. After controlling for age, ethnicity, and sex the difference in number of awakenings was still marginally significant. The rate of insomnia, conservatively defined, and consumption of sleep medication were also marginally significantly higher among individuals taking multi-/multiple vitamins compared to those not taking vitamins. CONCLUSIONS: Disturbed sleep maintenance was associated with multi-/multiple vitamin use. Five equally plausible explanations were advanced to explain this association including vitamins cause poor sleep, poor sleepers seek vitamins, and unidentified factors promote both poor sleep and vitamin use. These data are considered preliminary. Methodological characteristics of future studies were described that hold the promise of more clearly illuminating the association between vitamins and sleep. > > > > Anyway I hope I don't start a flame war I just want to get > > > > some general direction to learn more, and if my observation [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > has been reported in the scientific literature, > but of course there's no way you would know that. marginally significant? Ha, ... Hah, Ha! Shows that most research studies are absolutely useless. Those researchers were simply grubbing for research money. Show me a study that reports a major difference. Show me 5 other studies that confirms that popping vitamins pills causes sleeplessness and I still will have a good laugh. I sleep like a baby. Vitamins have never caused sleeplessness in me. > marginally significant? Do you have anything of significants? > Ha, ... Hah, Ha! > > Shows that most research studies are absolutely useless. Those > researchers were simply grubbing for research money. Thanks for your opinion. > Show me a study that reports a major difference. Show me 5 other > studies that confirms that popping vitamins pills causes sleeplessness > and I still will have a good laugh. I though studies were absolute uselessness? Can you make up your mind? > I sleep like a baby. Vitamins have never caused sleeplessness in me. That is good in your case and I hope that continues. However your observation of how vitamins affect your body isn't my only goal. I think you have made your point that you do not believe this to be possible and I have herd this. Thanks for your input however I'm not sure why you would want to keep pointing out that "vitamins can not cause sleeplessness in humans" endless you think my statement is totally stupid. Which it fine I make many of them or you work for the company that produces "One-A-Day Mens Health Formula" and have something to gain to refute something that could obviously be in the realm of possibility. In any regards I'm done trying to make my point and could care further as I understand your point of view. I have said what I wanted and would just like to read up on the topic more. Ryan Hi , As we all know the side effect of medicine and importance of ayurveda. Many have faced with the bad effects of Medicines and are still suffering from the chronic diseases without getting relief. For this purpose we built a free service providing site for public awareness where you can suggest others your valuable advice and share your experiences to them who are convicted as the sufferer of Chemicals. Please join with us on http://rvita.com/Remedy/Ayurveda.html . I hope for the active participation of all. Regards lily > Hi , > As we all know the side effect of medicine and importance of ayurveda. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Regards > lily ayurveda medicine is extremely toxic. And, this fact has been very well established in the literature. Of course, you wouldn't be aware of the facts. Just thought that you might want to get real. >> Hi , >> As we all know the side effect of medicine and importance of ayurveda. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Just thought that you might want to get real. Ayurvedic medicine is getting a lot of attention in Western medical schools nowadays. It involves many common herbs and spices used in ordinary cooking, such as cinnamon, turmeric, ginger, allspice, and so on. One would think a person whose nickname suggests an interest in natural remedies would be particularly open-minded about learning from the experiences of millions of people helped by ayurvedic medicine over the course of many centuries.  SignatureMarshall Price of Miami Known to Yahoo as d021317c > The association between sleeplessness and vitamins > has been reported in the scientific literature, [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Sleep Research Project, Box 870348, Tuscaloosa, AL > 35487-0348, USA. Thanks Mark, the information is interesting and I will see if I can find more info...maybe by contacting the publishers. I do find it weird that my sleeplessness seems to coincide with the ingestion of vitamin supplements however I don't know and find it curios that its in the realm of possibility. The only vitamin supplements I have taken to my memory have been the Mens One a Day and large amounts of vitamin C when getting sick. I guess I could try purchasing each vitamin separately and see if the effects are the same or different. Regardless more information and the correct direction was my goal and you provided it. Thanks! Ryan >> The association between sleeplessness and vitamins >> has been reported in the scientific literature, [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > Ryan Also consider the fact that multi-vitamin-mineral supplements rarely include the more bulky nutrients. There's a tacit assumption you'll get these elsewhere, which is often untrue. For example, it takes five (large) tablets of Tums or a quart of milk to supply one DV of calcium, the main "major" mineral, which is essential for sleep, calmness, relaxation, and stress-reduction. Also, that pill you're taking might contain large amounts of red food coloring, which has long been suspected of causing hyperactivity among children. SignatureMarshall Price of Miami Known to Yahoo as d021317c >>> Anyway I hope I don't start a flame war I just want to get >>> some general direction to learn more, and if my observation [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > mere coincidence does not establish causation I don't see how the word "piss" contributes anything useful to your response, Mr-Natural-Health. Couldn't you have just left it out? SignatureMarshall Price of Miami Known to Yahoo as d021317c >> Anyway I hope I don't start a flame war I just want to get >> some general direction to learn more, and if my observation [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > may contribute to having a busy brain that won't > let you go to sleep. Thiamine acts as a tonic; pyridoxine can enhance sleep; pantothenic acid tends to reduce nervousness; niacin and folic acid cause histamine release. All the B vitamins seem to affect the nervous system in various ways. Vitamin C affects absorption of minerals. In other words, I'm stumped. :) SignatureMarshall Price of Miami Known to Yahoo as d021317c |
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