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INOSITOL, is 1500mg enough for me to take??
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Cheese Wheels - 10 Feb 2008 17:02 GMT I'm taking 1,500mg of INOSITOL for anxiety & panic, is this enough?
If I should take MORE then how much should I take????
thanks, cheesey'
Mr. Natural-Health - 10 Feb 2008 20:12 GMT > I'm taking 1,500mg of INOSITOL for anxiety & panic, is this enough? > > If I should take MORE then how much should I take???? Forget that nonsense!
I would first work on improving your diet and exercise routine. If you must take a supplement, then take a heavy duty B complex supplement, such as a B-50, two or three times a day.
Taking all that INOSITOL by itself will only throw your B-complex ratios all out of wack; which can lead to all sorts of problems.
Cheese Wheels - 10 Feb 2008 22:02 GMT >Taking all that INOSITOL by itself will only throw your B-complex >ratios all out of wack; which can lead to all sorts of problems. Like?
Marshall Price - 25 Feb 2008 10:35 GMT >> I'm taking 1,500mg of INOSITOL for anxiety & panic, is this enough? >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Taking all that INOSITOL by itself will only throw your B-complex > ratios all out of wack; which can lead to all sorts of problems. How about "B-50" (and "B-150," and so on) -type vitamin pills for throwing B-complex ratios out of whack?
If I'm not mistaken, these usually contain 50 milligrams each of some B vitamins (50 micrograms of some, zero of others), regardless of the DVs!
Why take 50mg of thiamine (DV: 1.5mg) with 50mg of niacin (DV: 20mg)?
Isn't it better to take pills which give fixed percentages of the DVs, or better yet, to eat yogurt, wheat germ, liver, nutritional yeast, and leafy vegetables?
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trigonometry1972@gmail.com | - 11 Feb 2008 02:11 GMT > I'm taking 1,500mg of INOSITOL for anxiety & panic, is this enough? > > If I should take MORE then how much should I take???? > > thanks, > cheesey' I will simply say a much larger dose works for me when a small dose like 1.5 grams does nothing. The researchers used 18 grams. So as a matter of simple empirics, more works for me.
A 50 50 50 50 50 50 50 etc b-vitamin formula is by definition not especially balanced. Too little biotin, too little inositol, too little B-5, too small a methyl group source, so on and so on.
Cheese Wheels - 11 Feb 2008 04:13 GMT On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 18:11:33 -0800 (PST), "trigonometry1972@gmail.com
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>The researchers used 18 grams. >So as a matter of simple empirics, more works for me. 18 Grams a day would be very expensive if I have this right.
8 oz tub is $43 locally?
Couldn't I get benefit from 5 Grams daily?
trigonometry1972@gmail.com | - 11 Feb 2008 15:24 GMT > On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 18:11:33 -0800 (PST), "trigonometry1...@gmail.com > |" <trigonometry1...@gmail.com> wrote this stuff here : [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Couldn't I get benefit from 5 Grams daily? That is 227 grams for 43 dollars. I pay 7.50 for 300 grams. Local shops generally have the highest prices especially the pill stores that do nothing else. Sometimes the local health food stores that carry actual food have decent prices on some supplements and herbs. Generally though mail order offers the best prices.
Cheese Wheels - 11 Feb 2008 18:28 GMT On Mon, 11 Feb 2008 07:24:50 -0800 (PST), "trigonometry1972@gmail.com
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>That is 227 grams for 43 dollars. >I pay 7.50 for 300 grams. if you buy online, gimmie a url plz
Steve - 12 Feb 2008 02:57 GMT In article <9e5587b0-3af4-425d-b72c-1ab6bd4950d9@q21g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>,
> > On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 18:11:33 -0800 (PST), "trigonometry1...@gmail.com > > |" <trigonometry1...@gmail.com> wrote this stuff here : [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > and herbs. Generally though mail order offers > the best prices. beyondacenturyonline.com has 300 grams for $13.50. Where do you get 300 grams for 7.50?
bulkfoods.com sells 5 pounds for $117.17.
$13.50/300 is $0.045/gram $117.17/2270 is $0.0516/gram BAC has the better price.
Pramesh Rutaji - 11 Feb 2008 17:15 GMT > On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 18:11:33 -0800 (PST), "trigonometry1972@gmail.com > |" <trigonometry1972@gmail.com> wrote this stuff here : [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Couldn't I get benefit from 5 Grams daily? Why you don't just try the 5 grams daily and see what it does for YOU? If that doesn't work, you can always increase the dosage incrementally.
Then there is always L-Theanine which is short term and works well. L-tryptophan can also get to the root of Anxiety and Panic.
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Mr. Natural-Health - 11 Feb 2008 11:24 GMT On Feb 10, 9:11 pm, "trigonometry1...@gmail.com |" <trigonometry1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I'm taking 1,500mg of INOSITOL for anxiety & panic, is this enough? > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Too little biotin, too little inositol, too little B-5, too small a > methyl group source, so on and so on. Yeah, right, sure buddy. Your 18 grams of INOSITOL recommendation identifies yourself, as some kind of a nut job.
You have my condolences.
Mr. Natural-Health - 11 Feb 2008 11:49 GMT On Feb 10, 9:11 pm, "trigonometry1...@gmail.com |" <trigonometry1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I'm taking 1,500mg of INOSITOL for anxiety & panic, is this enough? > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > dose like 1.5 grams does nothing. The researchers used 18 grams. > So as a matter of simple empirics, more works for me. 18 grams was used to treat OCD. Other subjects were treated with 12 grams a day. http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0ISW/is_255/ai_n6211958
Obviously, you are treating the symptoms while ignoring the root cause of anxiety and panic attacks.
Unless you want to be sucking down huge amounts of INOSITOL every day of your life, I would suggest that everybody should first rule out the obvious.
Lousy diet in combination with no exercise, with a gross deficiency of all the B vitamins would be obvious places to start. Also, eating lots of cold water fatty fish like salmon, sardines, and mackerel would be a good addition to one's diet.
Taking a B-50 and deep breathing exercises are positively recommended before going to the extreme of 18 grams of INOSITOL a day.
Cheese Wheels - 11 Feb 2008 12:36 GMT >On Feb 10, 9:11 pm, "trigonometry1...@gmail.com |" ><trigonometry1...@gmail.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] >Taking a B-50 and deep breathing exercises are positively recommended >before going to the extreme of 18 grams of INOSITOL a day. I am already taking a mega-B-multivitman right now. I'm taking somewhere around 1,600% of RDA of 'all' the B's now.
I have OCD and the INOSITOL has helped, just wanted to know a good dose.
I don't want to get involved in some debate about INOSITOL's effecacy.
trigonometry1972@gmail.com | - 11 Feb 2008 15:18 GMT > >On Feb 10, 9:11 pm, "trigonometry1...@gmail.com |" > ><trigonometry1...@gmail.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > > I don't want to get involved in some debate about INOSITOL's effecacy. I'll suggest a couple of things. First, there are diffferent sources of myo-inositol in the marketplace. Try checking out Beyond A Century for a good price on inositol powder. !8 grams of inositol costs me 45 cents. And yes you can taper the dose down to a maintenance dose which for me is around 6 grams.
Second, I'll suggest a part of the problem maybe hormonal. In the modern age we all have exposures to toxic chemical with estrogenic properties and some of these are bioaccumulators. Even a "perfect' diet can only do so much. If you have a high estrogen level and are a man, anxiety and panic attacks can results. Low testosterone would also be part of the picture. Also a number of medications have endocrine disrupting effects that could lead hormonal problem and them anxiety and panic attacks. Further some folks may just be prone to these problems.
Third, I'll suggest you avoid the prescription anti-anxiety meds as most have long term adverse effects and short term downsides. As to the herbs, some likely have useful effects but they too should be seen as drugs and not seen as risk free. Which is not to say to avoid them but if you use either the prescription or the herbal you really need to read up on the risks. Nor do I mean just the biomedical stuff but rather everthing including the support group comments and comments made on point in other groups or forums. And yes that is a high bar. Never trust a Doctor and always have a measure of doubt about any regimen of meds, herbs, diet, or supplements. And never ever trust a newspaper as they "always" get it wrong. And yet if one is too pressed some imperfect response maybe needed i.e. meds., supplements, herbs, etc.
Nor have I mentioned everthing that might be of use. GABA seems to have calming effect per my experience with that neurotransmitter supplement. It helps with sleep if nothing else. It will cause flushing like niacin if taken in too large a dose. I'd suggest looking into theanine. Also check out the folks over on the rec.smart.drugs forum as they may have some insights and personal experience.
Trig
Cheese Wheels - 11 Feb 2008 18:29 GMT On Mon, 11 Feb 2008 07:18:50 -0800 (PST), "trigonometry1972@gmail.com
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>> >On Feb 10, 9:11 pm, "trigonometry1...@gmail.com |" >> ><trigonometry1...@gmail.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 83 lines] > >Trig trig, thanks!
BlackHawk 96 - 12 Feb 2008 02:32 GMT On Mon, 11 Feb 2008 07:18:50 -0800 (PST), "trigonometry1972@gmail.com
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>> >On Feb 10, 9:11 pm, "trigonometry1...@gmail.com |" >> ><trigonometry1...@gmail.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] >can taper the dose down to a maintenance dose which >for me is around 6 grams. BH: Hi Cheesey. I paid $23.51 for 14 oz (397 gm) at bulkfoods.com. That works out to $1.07 for 18 gm. Maybe I paid too much. The beyond a century catalog lists 300 gm for $13.50, which works out to $.81 for 18 gm. I don't know how Trig gets $.45 for 18 gm. As you have probably guessed, I'm a huge fan of inositol and IP-6. Hope this helps, BlackHawk
>Second, I'll suggest a part of the problem maybe hormonal. >In the modern age we all have exposures to toxic chemical [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > >Trig trigonometry1972@gmail.com | - 12 Feb 2008 03:34 GMT I suppose it possible the price was raised since last year as I referred to a 2007 catalog. We have to pay for the wars. And since W didn't raise taxes, we'll pay for it the good old fashioned way ..... inflation. Anyway with the everlasting trade imbalance and the export of industrial jobs, inflation was certain to come.
trigonometry1972@gmail.com | - 13 Feb 2008 01:17 GMT Sorry, Guys. That will teach me not to state a price.without the date. They did indeed raise the price. I found the 2008 catalog.
Marshall Price - 25 Feb 2008 11:30 GMT > BH: Hi Cheesey. I paid $23.51 for 14 oz (397 gm) at bulkfoods.com. > That works out to $1.07 for 18 gm. Maybe I paid too much. The beyond a > century catalog lists 300 gm for $13.50, which works out to $.81 for > 18 gm. I don't know how Trig gets $.45 for 18 gm. As you have probably > guessed, I'm a huge fan of inositol and IP-6. I've heard it rumored that inositol's utility for "cutting" illicit drugs is driving up its price.
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Marshall Price - 25 Feb 2008 11:27 GMT <snip>
> If you have a high estrogen level and are a man, anxiety and panic > attacks can result. Are you saying that estrogen itself can induce anxiety in men?
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Marshall Price - 25 Feb 2008 11:23 GMT >> I'm taking 1,500mg of INOSITOL for anxiety & panic, is this enough? >> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Too little biotin, too little inositol, too little B-5, too small a > methyl group source, so on and so on. Bear in mind that one synonym for inositol is "meat sugar." Taking 18 grams of it is, I suspect, a lot like taking four and a half teaspoons of glucose. Does anybody know for sure?
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