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Saving oneself with Garlic and Peppers . . .

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Dave - 31 Aug 2007 00:59 GMT
I posted a message about a piece of research done at the Medical
College of South Carolina on this site a few days ago. Unfortunately,
it was attacked (as usual) by a well-known internet troll. Because of
this, no one posted anything further about garlic and cancer. So I'll
start another one here.

When I put up a note about the study on the sci.med.cancer usenet
group, there was a post from a guy named Brightwinger. His post is
pasted below, and I'd love to hear from anyone else who has experience
with this rather eclectic approach to positive nutrition. Thanks,

Dave

"Thank you for that article. Nine years ago I had Stage 4 cancer.
Freshly grated garlic was one of the three things I used to send the
cancer packing in two weeks. Cancer cells hate garlic but are unable
to defend themselves against it.

I would disagree totally with Dr. Banik's opinion that it would take
several years for patients to be able to benefit from this research.
While it might take several years to make an expensive drug inferior
to garlic, garlic can be purchased at the local grocery store of 50
cents today. One bulb can provide a week's worth of treatment.

I combined the garlic with habeneros peppers and emulsified cod liver
oil. Ginger could be used in place of the peppers for those who just
don't tolerate peppers. I put a little each day on bread smothered in
butter. The only side effect is hyperventilation for a minute or so,
which is a good thing since it helps to activate the lymph system."

Going from Stage 4 to Zip because of Garlic seems to be worthy of
discussion, sans Trolls, on this usenet discussion. Any comments would
be appreciated,

Dave
Mark Thorson - 31 Aug 2007 01:45 GMT
The Blogspot SPAMMER wrote:

> When I put up a note about the study on the sci.med.cancer usenet
> group, there was a post from a guy named Brightwinger.

I'd suggest reading the exchange between "brightwinger"
and the very real doctor Peter Moran on the alleged cancer
therapy of Dr. Revici.  It should be obvious that
"brightwinger" does not hold evidence-based medicine in
high regard.  Neither do you.

http://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/browse_thread/thread/9fe0
5787d21fa737/0e220e9e9dc2e193?hl=en#0e220e9e9dc2e193

Dave - 31 Aug 2007 03:19 GMT
> The Blogspot SPAMMER wrote:
>
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>
> http://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/browse_thread/...

Mark, I think this discussion group is the place for posts about
alternative cures, good solid nutrition based therapies, and evidence
based medicine as well. As you can see from my earlier post today
about "Stolen Science," I am very much in favor of science to support
the sale of products. But in Brightwinger's case, there is no
"product" that helped him or her. It was only natural, healthy foods,
used properly. I find this encouraging and uplifting.

Incidently, while I referred to a famous internet troll, I did not
name you in my post. You are the one who resorts to name-calling, and
consistently bashing anything I post. I'd like to suggest that the
readers here have had enough.  Please stick to the topic of the
discussion, and avoid the name calling.

Dave
Mark Thorson - 31 Aug 2007 04:03 GMT
The Blogspot SPAMMER wrote:

> Mark, I think this discussion group is the place for posts
> about alternative cures, good solid nutrition based therapies,
> and evidence based medicine as well. As you can see from
> my earlier post today about "Stolen Science," I am very much
> in favor of science to support the sale of products.

That's all you care about.  You have no other
interest than to promote sales of supplements,
even if those supplements may be harmful to the
people who use them.  You don't care about that.
All you care about is recruiting sponsors for
your commercial blogspot web site.  All you care
about is getting your share of the multi-billion
dollar supplement business.  You are without
remorse or basic human decency.
Dave - 31 Aug 2007 06:05 GMT
> The Blogspot SPAMMER wrote:
>
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> dollar supplement business.  You are without
> remorse or basic human decency.

Mark, thanks for all the help making this a quality thread.

I think you missed the point in the discussion where we were talking
about a PLANT. That's right, gosh Mr. Troll, you sure caught me on
something here. There I am, with my car trunk full of 50? Garlic
cloves, hoping to sell them to sick people and make a ton of money,
without human decency.

Actually, while I am laughing at the thought, perhaps lacking in human
decency is a person who won't let anyone have a usenet conversation
about garlic. Nice job Mark, you sabotaged another thread. Mark
another notch on your tube of lipstick.

Dave
monty1945@lycos.com - 31 Aug 2007 06:20 GMT
All kinds of things can be "good against cancer," but not good for
long-term health.  And then there is the point about just preventing
it in the first place.  Polyunsaturated fatty acids have been shown to
be a sort-of cancer fuel, particularly some of the AA metabolites, for
example.  It's important not to ingest substances that are "anti-
cancer" with no thought about what they do at the molecular-level,
especially if you don't have cancer.  If you are "up" on the evidence,
you'll know about how dangerous LOX and COX-2 activity can be, which
is why I chose to eliminate AA from my body, and now these molecules
cannot be produces.  My approach is mostly based on what I now see as
"obvious:" give the body what is truly essential and avoid "foods"
that are dangerous (especially cooked meat and fat sources rich in
unsaturated fatty acids).

If you don't like being attacked, and want to discuss these kinds of
topics in an scholarly way, you can join my site and post your
thoughts there.  No personal attacks, obscenities, etc., are tolerated
- such posts get deleted or edited.  Otherwise, we have no problem
"agreeing to disagree," so long as you are willing to discuss the
evidence.  For example, I have asked many "HIV/AIDS" apologists to
explain why "HIV" (the particles themselves) can't be found in
abundance in people said to have "high viral loads," but I have yet to
get a coherent response - that sort of thing is not tolerated.
However, I have no problem allowing people to demonstrate that they
don't understand science, so I'll let people have their say, but at
some point, one must insist on a scientific discussion, and not accept
responses like, "it's more complicated than that, and I don't have
time to explain it to you."  My response would be, "the whole point of
this site is to explain scientific notions, so you should find another
site that deals in scientific claims without any explanation."  If the
evidence is "still out," that is one thing, but to insist on a very
specific claim and yet not explain the evidence demonstrates what
might be called a "disordered mind," and is not acceptable.  My site
is at:

http://groups.msn.com/TheScientificDebateForum-
Dave - 31 Aug 2007 17:15 GMT
On Aug 30, 10:20 pm, monty1...@lycos.com wrote:
> All kinds of things can be "good against cancer," but not good for
> long-term health.  And then there is the point about just preventing
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>
> http://groups.msn.com/TheScientificDebateForum-

Monty, I think you promote your site a bit too much here. When I post
a message, the most I will do is show the site where the text
originates. In your messages, you appear to always be trying to move
the conversation elsewhere, to "your site." Please, you've got good
posts, how about just trying to make sci.med.nutrition a better place
instead of trying to move people to a different discussion group?

Dave
monty1945@lycos.com - 31 Aug 2007 21:24 GMT
Well, after years of people complaining about my long, duplicate
posts, I decided to get it all the information on one site and just
citing the page.  I also don't have to deal with people making absurd
statements on my site, or rather, I let them make the statement, but
then they have to support it with a formal hypothesis and actual
evidence, which many will not do, because the claims "don't hold any
water."  Also, I use google to read the newsgroup, and after a while
(during a time when there are many posts), it's difficult to remember
an old post, go back, and see if there is follow-up needed.  On my
site, which I make no money from at all, directly or indirectly, I see
every single message, and so everyone gets a response, if it's a post
that seems to require one.
 
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