Medical Forum / General / Nutrition / August 2007
Saving oneself with Garlic and Peppers . . .
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Dave - 31 Aug 2007 00:59 GMT I posted a message about a piece of research done at the Medical College of South Carolina on this site a few days ago. Unfortunately, it was attacked (as usual) by a well-known internet troll. Because of this, no one posted anything further about garlic and cancer. So I'll start another one here.
When I put up a note about the study on the sci.med.cancer usenet group, there was a post from a guy named Brightwinger. His post is pasted below, and I'd love to hear from anyone else who has experience with this rather eclectic approach to positive nutrition. Thanks,
Dave
"Thank you for that article. Nine years ago I had Stage 4 cancer. Freshly grated garlic was one of the three things I used to send the cancer packing in two weeks. Cancer cells hate garlic but are unable to defend themselves against it.
I would disagree totally with Dr. Banik's opinion that it would take several years for patients to be able to benefit from this research. While it might take several years to make an expensive drug inferior to garlic, garlic can be purchased at the local grocery store of 50 cents today. One bulb can provide a week's worth of treatment.
I combined the garlic with habeneros peppers and emulsified cod liver oil. Ginger could be used in place of the peppers for those who just don't tolerate peppers. I put a little each day on bread smothered in butter. The only side effect is hyperventilation for a minute or so, which is a good thing since it helps to activate the lymph system."
Going from Stage 4 to Zip because of Garlic seems to be worthy of discussion, sans Trolls, on this usenet discussion. Any comments would be appreciated,
Dave
Mark Thorson - 31 Aug 2007 01:45 GMT The Blogspot SPAMMER wrote:
> When I put up a note about the study on the sci.med.cancer usenet > group, there was a post from a guy named Brightwinger. I'd suggest reading the exchange between "brightwinger" and the very real doctor Peter Moran on the alleged cancer therapy of Dr. Revici. It should be obvious that "brightwinger" does not hold evidence-based medicine in high regard. Neither do you.
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/browse_thread/thread/9fe0 5787d21fa737/0e220e9e9dc2e193?hl=en#0e220e9e9dc2e193
Dave - 31 Aug 2007 03:19 GMT > The Blogspot SPAMMER wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > http://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/browse_thread/... Mark, I think this discussion group is the place for posts about alternative cures, good solid nutrition based therapies, and evidence based medicine as well. As you can see from my earlier post today about "Stolen Science," I am very much in favor of science to support the sale of products. But in Brightwinger's case, there is no "product" that helped him or her. It was only natural, healthy foods, used properly. I find this encouraging and uplifting.
Incidently, while I referred to a famous internet troll, I did not name you in my post. You are the one who resorts to name-calling, and consistently bashing anything I post. I'd like to suggest that the readers here have had enough. Please stick to the topic of the discussion, and avoid the name calling.
Dave
Mark Thorson - 31 Aug 2007 04:03 GMT The Blogspot SPAMMER wrote:
> Mark, I think this discussion group is the place for posts > about alternative cures, good solid nutrition based therapies, > and evidence based medicine as well. As you can see from > my earlier post today about "Stolen Science," I am very much > in favor of science to support the sale of products. That's all you care about. You have no other interest than to promote sales of supplements, even if those supplements may be harmful to the people who use them. You don't care about that. All you care about is recruiting sponsors for your commercial blogspot web site. All you care about is getting your share of the multi-billion dollar supplement business. You are without remorse or basic human decency.
Dave - 31 Aug 2007 06:05 GMT > The Blogspot SPAMMER wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > dollar supplement business. You are without > remorse or basic human decency. Mark, thanks for all the help making this a quality thread.
I think you missed the point in the discussion where we were talking about a PLANT. That's right, gosh Mr. Troll, you sure caught me on something here. There I am, with my car trunk full of 50? Garlic cloves, hoping to sell them to sick people and make a ton of money, without human decency.
Actually, while I am laughing at the thought, perhaps lacking in human decency is a person who won't let anyone have a usenet conversation about garlic. Nice job Mark, you sabotaged another thread. Mark another notch on your tube of lipstick.
Dave
monty1945@lycos.com - 31 Aug 2007 06:20 GMT All kinds of things can be "good against cancer," but not good for long-term health. And then there is the point about just preventing it in the first place. Polyunsaturated fatty acids have been shown to be a sort-of cancer fuel, particularly some of the AA metabolites, for example. It's important not to ingest substances that are "anti- cancer" with no thought about what they do at the molecular-level, especially if you don't have cancer. If you are "up" on the evidence, you'll know about how dangerous LOX and COX-2 activity can be, which is why I chose to eliminate AA from my body, and now these molecules cannot be produces. My approach is mostly based on what I now see as "obvious:" give the body what is truly essential and avoid "foods" that are dangerous (especially cooked meat and fat sources rich in unsaturated fatty acids).
If you don't like being attacked, and want to discuss these kinds of topics in an scholarly way, you can join my site and post your thoughts there. No personal attacks, obscenities, etc., are tolerated - such posts get deleted or edited. Otherwise, we have no problem "agreeing to disagree," so long as you are willing to discuss the evidence. For example, I have asked many "HIV/AIDS" apologists to explain why "HIV" (the particles themselves) can't be found in abundance in people said to have "high viral loads," but I have yet to get a coherent response - that sort of thing is not tolerated. However, I have no problem allowing people to demonstrate that they don't understand science, so I'll let people have their say, but at some point, one must insist on a scientific discussion, and not accept responses like, "it's more complicated than that, and I don't have time to explain it to you." My response would be, "the whole point of this site is to explain scientific notions, so you should find another site that deals in scientific claims without any explanation." If the evidence is "still out," that is one thing, but to insist on a very specific claim and yet not explain the evidence demonstrates what might be called a "disordered mind," and is not acceptable. My site is at:
http://groups.msn.com/TheScientificDebateForum-
Dave - 31 Aug 2007 17:15 GMT On Aug 30, 10:20 pm, monty1...@lycos.com wrote:
> All kinds of things can be "good against cancer," but not good for > long-term health. And then there is the point about just preventing [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > http://groups.msn.com/TheScientificDebateForum- Monty, I think you promote your site a bit too much here. When I post a message, the most I will do is show the site where the text originates. In your messages, you appear to always be trying to move the conversation elsewhere, to "your site." Please, you've got good posts, how about just trying to make sci.med.nutrition a better place instead of trying to move people to a different discussion group?
Dave
monty1945@lycos.com - 31 Aug 2007 21:24 GMT Well, after years of people complaining about my long, duplicate posts, I decided to get it all the information on one site and just citing the page. I also don't have to deal with people making absurd statements on my site, or rather, I let them make the statement, but then they have to support it with a formal hypothesis and actual evidence, which many will not do, because the claims "don't hold any water." Also, I use google to read the newsgroup, and after a while (during a time when there are many posts), it's difficult to remember an old post, go back, and see if there is follow-up needed. On my site, which I make no money from at all, directly or indirectly, I see every single message, and so everyone gets a response, if it's a post that seems to require one.
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