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Can I just exercise alone to lose weight without dieting?
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Mr. Aje - 14 Mar 2007 19:02 GMT Can I just exercise alone to lose weight without dieting?
Well, that's an interesting albeit understandable concept; to just do exercise without worrying about what one eats to lose the pounds.
I mean when one considers the problems with most diets today, especially with world being filled with tempting foods that overwhelm our ability to "self-regulate" what we eat, it makes it harder for that person trying to lose weight
Nonetheless, the reality is that according to Greenway, who is also a medical advisor for the Jenny Craig weight-loss program, from studies comparing dieters who don't exercise with dieters who work out: <b>"Diet is the most efficient way to lose weight."</b> However, he's quick to add, "Exercise is essential for keeping weight off, especially as we age".
But, don't sigh in resignation just yet, I have a suggestion.
If you don't want to be obsessed with counting the calories, obsessive measurements when making meals, making sure you have eaten from 'all the food groups' etc...
Have you heard of the Mucus-less or Mucus-poor/alkaline diet?
It does comprise of healthy items but one can basically eat the 'right' foods as hunger dictates...on some FEW conditions.
The benefits are that not only does this bring about weight loss effectively, it gives the added bonus of making one's present exercises easier to do (with increase in endurance) and rids the body (namely the colon) of excess debris and weight, thus making the whole process of a healthy weight loss more efficient and usable.
Furthermore, it's not a 'diet' per-se, it is a lifestyle as its principles-as elementary and common-sense as they truly are-do have the tendency to lend themselves to other aspects of one's everyday life.
I present this suggestion with the understanding that anyone looking to work out will have <i>some</i> sense of wanting to eat right, albeit not necessarily obsessively.
So, if you are looking to just do exercise only to lose weight and if being able to 'eat' without necessarily rationalizing everything is a goal, well you could give one 'diet' a chance...the Mucus-less Diet.
Here's to improving and improved health
Foras Aje is an independent researcher and co-founder of BodyHealthSoul LLC. He invites you to visit his site which features the latest health news, weblogs and videos on healthy living at http://www.bodyhealthsoul.com
Jeff - 14 Mar 2007 20:57 GMT > Can I just exercise alone to lose weight without dieting? What you eat *is* your diet.
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> Foras Aje is an independent researcher and co-founder of > BodyHealthSoul LLC. Really? You know so little about health, but you start a health food company. Scary.
monty1945@lycos.com - 14 Mar 2007 23:00 GMT No, it's better to eat right and not do strenous "exercise." You don't want to liberate polyunsaturated fatty acids, which can cause a lot of free radical damage. I have seen several middle aged people do this, and they go from looking like puffy middle aged people to looking like old people within a year or so. Instead, you need to allow your body to replace the arachidonic acid in its cells with the natural Mead acid. I explain how to do this on my free web site. And you can eat all kinds of very tasty and satisfying food:
http://groups.msn.com/TheScientificDebateForum-/
These two essays in particular is what you should read first:
http://groups.msn.com/TheScientificDebateForum-/thebestpracticaldietandtheexplan ationforit.msnw
http://groups.msn.com/TheScientificDebateForum-/okaysowhenisthisdietgoingtokillm e.msnw
If you are serious, and you have questions, you can ask in the two forums there - it's all free.
Jeff - 14 Mar 2007 23:10 GMT > No, it's better to eat right and not do strenous "exercise." You > don't want to liberate polyunsaturated fatty acids, which can cause a [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > If you are serious, and you have questions, you can ask in the two > forums there - it's all free. I don't think I would trust this msn group or this monty as far as I can throw my old mainframe computer.
Polyunsatruated fats are the healthier fats.
You need to find accurate information. The MSN group and monty are not examples of good information.
You can also discuss this with your doctor or a nutritionist.
Jeff
monty1945@lycos.com - 15 Mar 2007 04:22 GMT You are suggesting that the dozens of studies I cite, mostly recent one are incorrect? Or how about AHA spokesman, Dr. Richard Stein, who claimed about two years ago that only oxidized LDL will cause "heart disease?" Or are you even aware that PUFAs in LDL are easily oxidized, but SFAs will not be? Cite your evidence and I'll examine it. Where is the molecular-level evidence that supports the notion that dietary PUFAs are very healthy? Do you realize that your claim is not even supported by mainstream nutrition textbooks? I cite several passages from such books on my site. When I was a teenager, in the 1980s, "polyunsaturated oils" were being touted as the healthiest oils, but now one mostly hears about "heart healthy monounsaturates." Do you know why? My site explains this. Do you understand the difference between a claim and an examination of experimental findings? My site explains that as well.
Would you like to take me up on my offer, which is to feed a dozen rats a diet of 30% canola and fish oil, while another dozen gets fresh coconut oil istead? According to you, the coconut-fed rats should die younger. If this is so, I will pay for all expenses. If not, you pay for all the expenses incurred.
Are you willing to put your assets where your oral cavity is located? Or are you someone who heard this from a "good friend?"
Jeff - 15 Mar 2007 04:46 GMT > You are suggesting that the dozens of studies I cite, mostly recent > one are incorrect? Oh my! Dozens of studies you cite. Gee whiz.
No, the studies are correct. You're interpretation of them is incorrect.
Jeff
monty1945@lycos.com - 15 Mar 2007 22:10 GMT Then you want to take me up on my experimental offer, correct?
As to the studies, are you arguing that when a researcher states clearly that it is the LDL that contains PUFAs that are easily oxidized, that somehow that should be interpreted as "saturated fat causes heart attackes?"
The molecular-level evidence is undeniable now, but you can eat your PUFA-rich diet and see what happens to your body.
As fatty acid researcher, Mary Enig has written:
QUOTE: ...The American Medical Association at first opposed the commercialization of the lipid hypothesis and warned that "the anti- fat, anti-cholesterol fad is not just foolish and futile. . . it also carries some risk." The American Heart Association, however, was committed. In 1961 the AHA published its first dietary guidelines aimed at the public. The authors, Irving Page, Ancel Keys, Jeremiah Stamler and Frederick Stare, called for the substitution of polyunsaturates for saturated fat, even though Keys, Stare and Page had all previously noted in published papers that the increase in CHD was paralleled by increasing consumption of vegetable oils. In fact, in a 1956 paper, Keys had suggested that the increasing use of hydrogenated vegetable oils might be the underlying cause of the CHD epidemic.11
Stamler shows up again in 1966 as an author of Your Heart Has Nine Lives, a little self-help book advocating the substitution of vegetable oils for butter and other so-called "artery clogging" saturated fats. The book was sponsored by makers of Mazola Corn Oil and Mazola Margarine. Stamler did not believe that lack of evidence should deter Americans from changing their eating habits. The evidence, he stated, " . . was compelling enough to call for altering some habits even before the final proof is nailed down. . . the definitive proof that middle-aged men who reduce their blood cholesterol will actually have far fewer heart attacks waits upon diet studies now in progress." His version of the Prudent Diet called for substituting low-fat milk products such as skim milk and low-fat cheeses for cream, butter and whole cheeses, reducing egg consumption and cutting the fat off red meats. Heart disease, he lectured, was a disease of rich countries, striking rich people who ate rich food. . . including "hard" fats like butter.
It was in the same year, 1966, that the results of Dr. Jolliffe's Anti- Coronary Club experiment were published in the Journal of the American Medical Association.12 Those on the Prudent Diet of corn oil, margarine, fish, chicken and cold cereal had an average serum cholesterol of 220, compared to 250 in the meat-and-potatoes control group. However, the study authors were obliged to note that there were eight deaths from heart disease among Dr. Jolliffe's Prudent Diet group, and none among those who ate meat three times a day. Dr. Jolliffe was dead by this time. He succumbed in 1961 from a vascular thrombosis, although the obituaries listed the cause of death as complications from diabetes. The "compelling proof" that Stamler and others were sure would vindicate wholesale tampering with American eating habits had not yet been "nailed down."
The problem, said the insiders promoting the lipid hypothesis, was that the numbers involved in the Anti-Coronary Club experiment were too small. Dr. Irving Page urged a National Diet-Heart Study involving one million men, in which the results of the Prudent Diet could be compared on a large scale with the those on a diet high in meat and fat. With great media attention, the National Heart Lung and Blood Institute organized the stocking of food warehouses in six major cities, where men on the Prudent Diet could get tasty polyunsaturated donuts and other fabricated food items free of charge. But a pilot study involving 2,000 men resulted in exactly the same number of deaths in both the Prudent Diet and the control group. A brief report in Circulation, March 1968, stated that the study was a milestone "in mass environmental experimentation" that would have "an important effect on the food industry and the attitude of the public toward its eating habits." But the million-man Diet Heart Study was abandoned in utter silence "for reasons of cost." Its chairman, Dr. Irving Page, died of a heart attack... UNQUOTE.
Source: http://www.westonaprice.org/knowyourfats/oiling.html
On the other hand, I am a male in my early 40s now, and I've been eating a diet rich in non-oxidized cholesterol and saturated fatty acids, but low in PUFAs, to the point of "essential fatty acid deficiency." A recent MRA showed no signs of athersclerotic buildup, and I've seen only healthy benefits (since 2001). When, exactly, should I expect to see "disease" symptoms?
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