Fats and Dairy and Weight Loss?

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Blue Apricot - 13 Mar 2007 02:54 GMT

Hello there,
first my question:

1. Is it healthy to eat 1 hardboiled egg per day? (Egg white and
yolk.)
2. Is yogurt healthy, on a daily basis, as a dessert?
3. What about pitted Green Olives with pimentos in them as snacks,
daily?
4. Should I avoid cheese due to fat content?
5. Finally, are protein shakes ok, based on whey protein?

I am 37, 6'2 and 218 pounds. Over the last two months I have lost 12
pounds and hope to continue with this, based on a diet founded on
fruits, vegetables, buts and protein.
(You can read about my diet here:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.nutrition/browse_frm/thread/bfee9ab1e6095
744/02cc05f02a097872?lnk=st&q=author%3Ablueapricot416%40gmail.com&rnum=1)
but one thing I have added in the mornings is a high fiber cereal, as
well as the 4 items above.)

For the eggs, I like to cook them up every Sunday and then have them
in the fridge for a snack, one per day. But I have read that eating
so many eggs -- at least the yolks -- may be a bad idea?

For the yogurt, I am using plain Stonyfield Farm organic yogurt, which
I add some frozen berries to.

I am wondering if eating all of this fatty dairy stuff, and the
olives, is going to stop me from losing weight? The thing is, over
the past two months of steadily losing weight, I have been craving
dairy like never before. And in fact I think I just want to have the
protein shakes because of the skimmed milk I make them with!

Thanks for your thoughts,
Blue Apricot

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Juhana Harju - 13 Mar 2007 06:28 GMT

: Hello there,
: first my question:
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: fruits, vegetables, buts and protein.
: (You can read about my diet here:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.nutrition/browse_frm/thread/bfee9ab1e6095
744/02cc05f02a097872?lnk=st&q=author%3Ablueapricot416%40gmail.com&rnum=1)

: but one thing I have added in the mornings is a high fiber cereal, as
: well as the 4 items above.)
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: dairy like never before. And in fact I think I just want to have the
: protein shakes because of the skimmed milk I make them with!

There is some epidemiological evidence that low fat dairy helps in weight
control. Whey protein is fine also.

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monty1945@lycos.com - 14 Mar 2007 04:04 GMT

If you want to read about my research into this, and related topics,
go to my free site:

http://groups.msn.com/TheScientificDebateForum-

You can ask me questions there, on the two forums, if you like. You
will find a great deal of molecular-level evidence cited, and if you
read through the posts and essays, you will come to understand why the
"epidemiological" studies you hear about often in the mainstream media
are usually seriously flawed. Instead, you will learn how to examine
various studies, and also how to evaulate evidence in general.

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Enrico C - 15 Mar 2007 21:24 GMT

> 1. Is it healthy to eat 1 hardboiled egg per day? (Egg white and
> yolk.)

I guess it depends on the person and on their diet. Some people are more
"sensitive" to egg consumption, others are less sensitive.

For instance
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0887/is_n2_v17/ai_20845501

> 2. Is yogurt healthy, on a daily basis, as a dessert?

Provided it's unsugared plain yogurt, I'd say...

> 3. What about pitted Green Olives with pimentos in them as snacks,
> daily?

Kudos to olives, but, mind you, they can be quite salty.

> 4. Should I avoid cheese due to fat content?

I guess it depends on the person, and on their diet and exercise.

> 5. Finally, are protein shakes ok, based on whey protein?

Dunno. I like better real food.

> I am 37, 6'2 and 218 pounds.

Hang on, I'll look for a metric converter :-)

> Over the last two months I have lost 12
> pounds and hope to continue with this, based on a diet founded on
> fruits, vegetables, buts

I'll take that for "nuts" :-)

> and protein.
> (You can read about my diet here:
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> I am wondering if eating all of this fatty dairy stuff, and the
> olives, is going to stop me from losing weight?

The scale and the mirror will sure tell you! :-)

> The thing is, over
> the past two months of steadily losing weight, I have been craving
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> Thanks for your thoughts,
> Blue Apricot

Just my 2 eurocents. :-)

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Ron Peterson - 17 Mar 2007 05:39 GMT

> Hello there,
> first my question:

> 1. Is it healthy to eat 1 hardboiled egg per day? (Egg white and
> yolk.)

Sure.

> 2. Is yogurt healthy, on a daily basis, as a dessert?

As Enrico C says, do it without the sugar. The yogurt might have lower
levels of lactose than the equivalent milk which is good for some
people.

> 3. What about pitted Green Olives with pimentos in them as snacks,
> daily?

The sodium content may be high, so keep the quantity down.

> 4. Should I avoid cheese due to fat content?

Try to get reduced fat or nonfat cheeses.

> 5. Finally, are protein shakes ok, based on whey protein?

Sure, but lactose is high in whey, so keep the quantity down.

> I am 37, 6'2 and 218 pounds. Over the last two months I have lost 12
> pounds and hope to continue with this, based on a diet founded on
> fruits, vegetables, buts and protein.
> (You can read about my diet here:http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.nutrition/browse_frm/thread/bf...)
> but one thing I have added in the mornings is a high fiber cereal, as
> well as the 4 items above.)

You might want to consider adding beans to your diet.

> For the eggs, I like to cook them up every Sunday and then have them
> in the fridge for a snack, one per day. But I have read that eating
> so many eggs -- at least the yolks -- may be a bad idea?

Egg yolks contain other nutrients that egg whites don't have.

> I am wondering if eating all of this fatty dairy stuff, and the
> olives, is going to stop me from losing weight? The thing is, over
> the past two months of steadily losing weight, I have been craving
> dairy like never before. And in fact I think I just want to have the
> protein shakes because of the skimmed milk I make them with!

Too much calcium can cause problems like kidney stones. Four glasses a
day should be sufficient. Count an ounce of cheese as a glass of milk.

--
Ron

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Enrico C - 17 Mar 2007 10:29 GMT

> Too much calcium can cause problems like kidney stones.

Can it? I gather that's controversial, to say the least.

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1585/is_n8_v22/ai_19539857

| Calcium and kidney stones - recent studies dispel the notion that a diet
| high in calcium contributes to the formation of kidney stones - Brief
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| All Rights Reserved
| COPYRIGHT 2004 Gale Group

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Ron Peterson - 18 Mar 2007 22:56 GMT

> > Too much calcium can cause problems like kidney stones.

> Can it? I gather that's controversial, to say the least.

> http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1585/is_n8_v22/ai_19539857

> | Calcium and kidney stones - recent studies dispel the notion that a diet
> | high in calcium contributes to the formation of kidney stones - Brief
> | Article

> | Harvard Health Letter, June, 1997

> | It was long thought that a diet high in calcium contributed to the
> | development of kidney stones because up to 80% of the deposits contain
> | calcium. The stones, which can cause excruciating pain, often become
> | lodged in the kidneys or in the ureters, the tubes that carry urine to
> | the bladder.

> | In 1993, scientists were surprised to learn that previous assumptions
> | about the mineral were wrong. A large study found that men who ate the
> | most dietary calcium were actually the least likely to develop stones.
> | Now, a similar investigation of women shows comparable results.

> | When Harvard researchers examined the diets of 91,731 women over a
> | 12-year period they found that those who ate the most dairy products
> | decreased their risk of developing kidney stones by 35%. However, women
> | who took calcium supplements were 20% more likely to form the stones.

> | Scientists suspect the differences may be related to calcium's
> | interaction with oxalate, an acid found in peanuts, chocolate, spinach,
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> | taken between meals, there is no available oxalate in the gut for the
> | calcium to bind to.

> | Researchers don't know whether dietary calcium prevents kidney stones
> | because dairy products are generally eaten with other foods or if there
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> | past should discuss the use of supplements with their doctor. (Annals of
> | Internal Medicine, April 1, 1997, pp. 497-504.)

Thanks, the issue probably needs more research. I was basing my
comment on a statemtent of my niece's husband who is lactose
intolerant who claimed to eliminate his kidney stone problem by not
drinking milk. He said he wasn't taking any calcium supplements.

--
Ron

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