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Saturated fat in biscuits

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mick@reiss.demon.co.uk - 12 Mar 2007 19:17 GMT
I was recently looking at the nutritional information on packets of
biscuits in the supermarket.
I noticed that many were no longer using hydrogenated fat - and I saw
that
most had "vegetable oil" as their main source of fat. All good. I saw
that a typical
amount of fat was 20g per 100g. But then I noticed that they typically
had 10g/100g
of saturated fat - this means that a full 50% of the fat content was
saturated!

I then went over to look at the assorted vegetable cooking oils to see
their saturated
fat content and saw that they ranged from about 6% to at most 14%
depending
on their source.

So what's going on? How do the biscuits get to have 50% of their fat
saturated? Is it all due
to the effect of baking? Or is there some super saturated vegetable
oil out there that
they are all using?

Its been bugging me,

Mick.
Juhana Harju - 12 Mar 2007 19:23 GMT
: I was recently looking at the nutritional information on packets of
: biscuits in the supermarket.
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:
: Mick.

Coconut oil and palm oil are frequently used in the production of bakery
products. These tropical oils are high in saturated fat. Still they are
healthier (or less harmful) than partially hydrogenated vegetable fats.

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Tunderbar - 12 Mar 2007 19:26 GMT
On Mar 12, 1:23 pm, "Juhana Harju"
<spamshantigiriorama.removes...@gmail.com> wrote:
> m...@reiss.demon.co.uk wrote:
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> --
> Juhana

They are still highly processed crap fats.

Eat real food.

TC
mick@reiss.demon.co.uk - 12 Mar 2007 19:52 GMT
On Mar 12, 6:23 pm, "Juhana Harju"
<spamshantigiriorama.removes...@gmail.com> wrote:
> m...@reiss.demon.co.uk wrote:
>
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> products. These tropical oils are high in saturated fat. Still they are
> healthier (or less harmful) than partially hydrogenated vegetable fats.

Could Coconut or palm oil be described as *vegetable* oil?

M.
Jim Chinnis - 12 Mar 2007 20:59 GMT
mick@reiss.demon.co.uk wrote in part:

>On Mar 12, 6:23 pm, "Juhana Harju"
><spamshantigiriorama.removes...@gmail.com> wrote:
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>
>M.

Yes.
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Jim Chinnis  Warrenton, Virginia, USA  jchinnis@alum.mit.edu
monty1945@lycos.com - 12 Mar 2007 22:24 GMT
My rule of thumb with baked goods is that they have more than a very
small amount of fat, it has to be at least 75% saturated, or else it's
too dangerous.  Ask yourself why they do this - they could easily get
highly unsaturated oils, but then they would spoil quickly, and that
is the same problem that would occur in your body if you were to make
your own, using something like safflower oil, for example.
Technically, it is called "in vivo lipid peroxidation."  Do a google
search and see all the studies on this very dangerous phenomenon.  My
free web site attempts to explain this to people without a strong
science background, and there's other health-related information
there:

http://groups.msn.com/TheScientificDebateForum-/
monty1945@lycos.com - 12 Mar 2007 22:29 GMT
Corrections and added material to the above:

My rule of thumb with baked goods is that if they have more than a
very small amount of fat, the fat has to be at least 75% saturated, or
else it's too dangerous a product.  Ask yourself why they do this -
they could easily use cheap, highly unsaturated oils, but then the
product would spoil quickly, and that is the same problem that would
occur in your body if you were to make your own, using something like
safflower oil, for example.  Technically, it is called "in vivo lipid
peroxidation."  Do a google search and see all the studies on this
very dangerous phenomenon.  My free web site attempts to explain this
to people without a strong science background, and there's other
health-related information there:

http://groups.msn.com/TheScientificDebateForum-/

Keep in mind that those with the highest saturated fatty acid intake
relative to overall calories have the best health.  If you look at the
WHO statistics, you can see the low levels of "chronic disease" among
peoples who consume a lot of coconut products.  Since 2001, I have
eaten a diet rich in saturated fatty acids and low in unsaturated
fatty acids, and have seen only benefits, despite being "deficient" in
"essential fatty acids."
monty1945@lycos.com - 12 Mar 2007 22:39 GMT
Ironically, right after posting the above, I came across the
following:

QUOTE:  Hollenberg has spent years studying the benefits of cocoa
drinking on the Kuna people in Panama. He found that the risk of 4 of
the 5 most common killer diseases: stroke, heart failure, cancer and
diabetes, is reduced to less then 10% in the Kuna.  UNQUOTE.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/03/070311202024.htm

But is it the cocoa or the coconuts?

QUOTE:  But it is largely the coconut palm that ensures the success of
the Kuna's subsistence lifestyle.  UNQUTOE.

http://review.ucsc.edu/winter-03/panamas.html
monty1945@lycos.com - 12 Mar 2007 22:46 GMT
One last point:  considering how rats are often used to test and
establish nutritional claims (1930, Burr & Burr, for example, which is
still being cited despite being directly refuted by 1948 rat
experiments), you can buy a couple dozen rats, and feed a dozen a diet
of 30% fresh coconut oil and feed the other dozen a diet of 30% canola
and fish oil.  See which group lives longer, and "prove it to
yourself."
 
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