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We can prove our supplements work - we have the BioScanner!

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Larry Wade - 20 Jan 2004 21:41 GMT
Pharmanex's LifePak provides a full arsenal of nutrients that targets and
inhibits free radical damage to DNA that occurs during the natural aging
process.   LifePak delivers comprehensive nutritional support to help
improve your cell DNA's ability to withstand free radical damage.  LifePak's
full-spectrum formula is proven superior to more than 100 competitors as
demonstrated by the LifePak Challenge.*

And now we can prove that LifePak works - and we  guarantee it!  Pharmanex's
BioPhotonic Scanner is a new, cutting-edge testing device that safely and
easily measures a carotenoid antioxidant biomarker that provides immediate
evidence of antioxidant activity. Carotenoids are powerful antioxidants that
are found in abundance in certain fruits and vegetables. They are absorbed
in human plasma and tissue and provide an excellent indicator of a person's
antioxidant health status.

By simply placing the palm of the hand in front of a low-energy blue light
laser, LifePakT consumers obtain an immediate reading of their own
antioxidant activity-their Antioxidant Score. As they continue to
participate in the LifePakT antioxidant supplementation program, consumers
can track their Antioxidant Score for evidence of improved antioxidant
activity and protection. They can also compare their scores to scores of
others on the Pharmanex Body Defense Index, a summary of all participants
scanned in the world. Consumers are then empowered with personalized
assessment that can be used to develop an antioxidant defense strategy.

Pharmanex is the exclusive owner of the patented BioPhotonic Scanner
technology. Developed by doctors and physicists at a top U.S. research
university, the Scanner is the world's first BioPhotonic measuring device
for antioxidant activity.

For more information, go to
http://larrywade.mypharmanexusa.com/ .
Be sure to view the Scanner Video.

 *These Statements Have Not Been Evaluated by the Food and Drug
Administration.  This Product is not Intended to Diagnose, Treat, Cure, or
Prevent any Disease.
markd@toad-net.com - 20 Jan 2004 22:38 GMT
What a total fraud, bordering on the criminal, a bunch of greeding money
sucking parasites.  Anyone who traffics on the fears of people who have
health concerns are the lowest form of bottom scum and diseased social
trash; and you can quoate me.  Here is the perfect reason for more FDA and
FTC oversight of the whole health biz.
Larry Wade - 21 Jan 2004 23:26 GMT
You must be from a competitor.  What's the fraud.  The BioScanner was
developed at the University of Utah's Center for Bio-Medical Research.  As
for our supplement LifePak, why are half the olympic athletes taking it if
it is not the best!  Our competitors are running scared because the
BioScanner is the ultimate lie detector for supplements.

Larry

> What a total fraud, bordering on the criminal, a bunch of greeding money
> sucking parasites.  Anyone who traffics on the fears of people who have
> health concerns are the lowest form of bottom scum and diseased social
> trash; and you can quoate me.  Here is the perfect reason for more FDA and
> FTC oversight of the whole health biz.
markd@toad-net.com - 21 Jan 2004 23:44 GMT
Show the proof for the "lie detector" from an independent source on the
web.  Show us that your supplimants do anything different then do many
many others.  From time to time we hear from the bottom scum, from the
socialdisease corner.
John 'the Man' - 24 Jan 2004 03:01 GMT
Once upon a time, our fellow markd@toad-net.com
  rambled on about "Re: We can prove our supplements work - we have
the BioScanner!."
Our champion De-Medicalizing in sci.med.nutrition retorts, thusly ...

>From time to time we hear from the bottom scum, ...\

Actually, we hear from you, Mark, all the time.  :(

Just thought that you might want to know. :)
markd@toad-net.com - 22 Jan 2004 00:39 GMT
Ok, I saw the proof for myself.  By throwing a bit of google at the
BioPhotonic I saw the "proof" and the basis on which the claims are made.  
It uses $5 terms, some of us know what they mean also, to pull a cape of
science around their multi level marketing sholders.  Here is the dope,
something you probably know already.  If you eat enough of one version of
vit. a it will change the color of your skin.  Using technology based on
science 50 years old the change in the amount of the substance that causes
the skin color change can be detected.  The application of this old
technology was done by a fello at the U. of Utah, smack in the middle of
the largest concentration of the suppliment industry in this country.  
The "claims" for their version of familiar suppliments show the obvious,
vit.s ace have an effect on oxidation of ldl, something they didn't
discover and nothing other suppliments don't also do.  Did you note the
vit. a, our old friend the device that shows it causes skin color change
raises it's simple minded head.  That's it, eat enough of a form of vit. a
nd your skin will change color, anyone's version of that form of vit. a
will do and eating vit.s aec can have positive effect on ldl oxidation.  
PSST buddy, wanna make lots of money pushing our products that includes a
gismo we sells that keeps them coming back again and again to keep that
skin color the right hue; have I got a mlm for you.  Thank you senator
Hatch from the good state of Utah and the support for the anything goes
non-regulation of the suppliment biz.  Like they says on their pages, the
FDA ain't approved anything we try to convince you of and if yous buy this
stuff it's on you buddy.
Alf Christophersen - 22 Jan 2004 20:07 GMT
>Ok, I saw the proof for myself.  By throwing a bit of google at the
>BioPhotonic I saw the "proof" and the basis on which the claims are made.  
>It uses $5 terms, some of us know what they mean also, to pull a cape of
>science around their multi level marketing sholders.  Here is the dope,

Seems though interesting as a measurer of carotenoid level in skin.
Maybe other antioxidants also affect carotenoid level in skin??
John 'the Man' - 24 Jan 2004 03:03 GMT
Once upon a time, our fellow markd@toad-net.com
  rambled on about "Re: We can prove our supplements work - we have
the BioScanner!."
Our champion De-Medicalizing in sci.med.nutrition retorts, thusly ...

May I recommend the ancient concept of paragraphs?

Ha, ... Hah, Ha!

>Ok, I saw the proof for myself.  By throwing a bit of google at the
>BioPhotonic I saw the "proof" and the basis on which the claims are made.  
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
>FDA ain't approved anything we try to convince you of and if yous buy this
>stuff it's on you buddy.
markd@toad-net.com - 22 Jan 2004 17:28 GMT
Even more interesting info about this fraud, o how something clarifies
when one throws some google at it.  Our friend the original poster, Enter
a whereis query: Larry Wade, is happy to sell the gizmo to you in his mlm
scheme, see:

http://www.wade2.com/entrepreneur.html

Look at the language of the pitch, is it money or health that is his
concern?  Look at the claims he makes about the gizmo, something even
Pharmanex don't dare claim.  As why do 1/2 of olympic athletes use the
Pharmanex multivitamin, two
reasons.  Pharmanex is a sponsor of the olympics,ie. they pay to have
there products to be used by the atheletes at no charge to them.  Also, to
it's credit, it tests to make sure no false positive drug using tests at
the games will appear by making sure there products avoid containing
substances to cause them.

For more, read:
http://www.quackwatch.org/03HealthPromotion/antioxidants.html

Here is a part:

"   In 2002, Pharmanex began promoting its BioPhotonic Scanner for
  measuring "the antioxidant level in the body" when a person's hand is
  placed in front of the device. The test is said to measure carotenoid
  level. Shortly after its availability was announced, I took the
  company's online "BioScan Quiz, which asked questions about my diet
  and supplement intake. I found that no matter what answers I gave, I
  was advised to get scanned and to start using one of the company's
  antioxidant products, which are quite expensive. As far as I know,
  however, neither the scan nor the products have been proven to lead to
  improved health outcomes. I believe that both the scan and the
  products are a waste of money.
"
I repeat, this is bottom scum feeding on the health concerns of people, it
is a fraud from the worst kind of social disease - exploytation of fear.
John 'the Man' - 24 Jan 2004 03:00 GMT
Once upon a time, our fellow markd@toad-net.com
  rambled on about "Re: We can prove our supplements work - we have
the BioScanner!."
Our champion De-Medicalizing in sci.med.nutrition retorts, thusly ...

>What a total fraud, bordering on the criminal, ...

Talking to yourself, again, Mark?

Ha, ... Hah, Ha!
Alf Christophersen - 22 Jan 2004 20:04 GMT
>Pharmanex's LifePak provides a full arsenal of nutrients that targets and
>inhibits free radical damage to DNA that occurs during the natural aging

You can't call it an antioxidant  metering, since it only measure just
one class of antioxidants. It should only be called a carotenoid
scanner.
 
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