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selenium + vitamin E = hair loss?

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Nick Chan - 02 Feb 2007 11:10 GMT
hi, i read somewhere that selenium + vitamin E causes hair loss

I believe my hair in the front is thinning.

im taking 200mcg selenium daily + vitamin e

(d-alpha-tocopherol 200IU
d-beta-tocopherol 4.30mg
d-gamma-tocopherol 91.39mg
d-delta-tocopherol 32.26mg
d-alpha-tocotrienol 5.56mg
d-beta-tocotrienol 555.60mcg
d-gamma-tocotrienol 11.11mg
d-delta-tocotrienol 2.78mg)

anyone has experience with hair loss with selenium? should i cut
selenium intake to once in two days? or once in 2 days for vitamin E?

PS : im taking also alpha lipoic acid, bee propolis, co enzyme q10,
neem, ester c, calcium,
GMCarter - 02 Feb 2007 11:37 GMT
>hi, i read somewhere that selenium + vitamin E causes hair loss

Where did you read this?
Jack N Dalton - 03 Feb 2007 00:34 GMT
> hi, i read somewhere that selenium + vitamin E causes hair loss
>
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> PS : im taking also alpha lipoic acid, bee propolis, co enzyme q10,
> neem, ester c, calcium,

Alpha-lipoic-acid can cause hair loss.

That is why they usually add some Biotin to the mix.

Of course they NEVER NEVER explain WHY they added the Biotin.

Early studies on dogs showed this problem. I cannot recall any human studies
describing the problem.

The Lipoic Acid "interferes" with Biotin hence the need for more.

jack n dalton - jackD
noname - 03 Feb 2007 03:57 GMT
> > hi, i read somewhere that selenium + vitamin E causes hair loss
> >
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>
> jack n dalton - jackD

None of the above will cause *male pattern baldness*. So, if that's
what you have, it's not from anything you're taking.
GMCarter - 03 Feb 2007 11:13 GMT
snip...

>Alpha-lipoic-acid can cause hair loss.

And where did you read that? Or did you just make it up like the other
guy?
Jack N Dalton - 03 Feb 2007 17:26 GMT
In the past, lipoic acid has been administered to patients and test animals
as therapy for diabetic neuropathy and various intoxications. Lipoic acid
and the vitamin biotin have structural similarities. We sought to determine
whether the chronic administration of lipoic acid affects the activities of
biotin-dependent carboxylases. For 28 d, rats received daily intraperitoneal
injections of one of the following: 1 ) a small dose of lipoic acid [4.3
µmol/( kg·d)]; 2 ) a large dose of lipoic acid [15.6 µmol/(kg·d)]; or 3 ) a
large dose of lipoic acid plus biotin [15.6 and 2.0 µmol/(kg·d),
respectively]. Another group received n-hexanoic acid [14.5 µmol/(kg·d)],
which has structural similarities to lipoic acid and biotin and thus served
as a control for the specificity of lipoic acid. A fifth group received
phosphatidylcholine in saline injections and served as the vehicle control.
The rat livers were assayed for the activities of acetyl-CoA carboxylase,
pyruvate carboxylase, propionyl-CoA carboxylase, and -methylcrotonyl-CoA
carboxylase. Urine was analyzed for lipoic acid; serum was analyzed for
indicators of liver damage and metabolic aberrations. The mean activities of
pyruvate carboxylase and -methylcrotonyl-CoA carboxylase were 28-36% lower
in the lipoic acid-treated rats compared with vehicle controls (P < 0.05).
Rats treated with lipoic acid plus biotin had normal carboxylase activities.
Carboxylase activities in livers of n-hexanoic acid-treated rats were normal
despite some evidence of liver injury. Propionyl-CoA carboxylase and
acetyl-CoA carboxylase were not significantly affected by administration of
lipoic acid. This study provides evidence consistent with the hypothesis
that chronic administration of lipoic acid lowers the activities of pyruvate
carboxylase and -methylcrotonyl-CoA carboxylase in vivo by competing with
biotin.

Since BIOTIN is necessary for healthy hair(see below) and the above study
shows that lipoic acid reduces its actvity there can be a chance of hair
loss problem with lopic acid supplements, thus it usually has about 100 mcg
of Biotin added to capsules/mix to counter this negative effect.

Researchers have speculated that biotin and alpha lipoic acid may compete
with each other for absorption or uptake into cells; but little is known
about the importance of these interactions in humans.

Packer et al. (1999) in their book The Antioxidant Miracle, recommend taking
biotin supplements with alpha-lipoic acid when the daily intake exceeds 100
mg. (Alpha-lipoic acid may compete with biotin and interfere with biotin's
activities in the body.)

jackD

Vitamin B7 Biotin Hair Loss Treatment
Vitamin B7 Biotin supplements are often recommended as natural products to
combat hair loss problems; however, there are no studies that show any
benefit of Biotin in treating hair loss where the subject is not actually
biotin deficient.

Biotin has been used as a hair growth vitamin, and as well used to prevent
(reduce) excessive hair loss. Biotin appears to metabolize fatty acids which
are valuable growth components in numerous processes in the body including
hair. When an individual is deficient in vitamin B's, especially vitamin B6,
biotin, inositol, and folic acid, hair loss can occur. B vitamins such as
pantothenic acid, niacin, biotin are especially important for hair growth.

Typical signs and symptoms of biotin deficiency includes hair loss, and in
extremely severe biotin deficiency cases includes loss of eye lashes and eye
brows. Although there are shampoos which contain biotin, but its
effectiveness is questionable since biotin is not absorbed well through the
skin. While hair loss is hereditary for many men, maintaining a good,
balanced diet that supplies your body with a proper, balanced nutrition can
help slow down the hair loss - some balding men may find that taking a
Vitamin B7 Biotin supplement can help slowdown their hair loss.

There are various foods that are good sources of biotin, and they include:
eggs, liver, milk, yeast, kidney, beef, chicken, peanuts, and cheese.

Biotin Side Effects & Health Benefits
Basically, you need Biotin to properly use fats and amino acids from your
foods. In its physiologically active form, biotin is attached at the active
site of four important enzymes, known as carboxylases. Each carboxylase
catalyzes an essential metabolic reaction.

As mentioned before, deficiency in Biotin can result hair loss and weak
finger nails. Studies in this area is being carried out and the results are
not yet clear.

There are no know Biotin side effects; however there are risks of biotin
deficiency. On the plus side, Biotin has many health benefits - it's used to
treat hair loss and a number of skin disorders.

Vitamin B7 Biotin RDA
In 1998 the Food and Nutrition Board of the Institute of Medicine felt the
existing scientific evidence was insufficient to calculate an RDA for
biotin, so they set an Adequate Intake level (AI). The AI for biotin assumes
that current average intakes of biotin (35 mcg to 60 mcg/day) are meeting
the dietary requirement.

Daily recommendations for dietary vitamin B7 are listed below.

Children and Youth:

Infants 0-6 months: 5 mcg/day
Infants 7-12 months: 6 mcg/day
Children 1-3 years: 8mcg/day
Children 4-8 years: 12 mcg/day
Children 9-13 years: 20 mcg/day
Adolescents 14-18 years: 25 mcg/day (female) 25 mcg/day (male)

Adults:

Adults 19 years and older: 30 mcg/day (female) 30 mcg/day (male)
Pregnancy all ages: 30 mcg/day
Breastfeeding

> snip...
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>>Alpha-lipoic-acid can cause hair loss.
>
> And where did you read that? Or did you just make it up like the other
> guy?
GMCarter - 04 Feb 2007 11:56 GMT
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>Packer et al. (1999) in their book The Antioxidant Miracle, recommend taking
>biotin supplements with alpha-lipoic acid when the daily intake exceeds 100
>mg. (Alpha-lipoic acid may compete with biotin and interfere with biotin's
>activities in the body.)

Thanks! I'm pleasantly surprised! Data. And Lester is definitely a guy
I'd pay attention to in these matters.

I'm not really all that convinced and would like the cite to the rat
study. The competition found may not be relevant in humans. I have
been taking a fairly high dose of lipoic for years for HCV and no hair
loss. But I do take a multi with biotin in it as well, among other
things.

However, I'm not sure even the rather high dose I take is
physiologically comparable to the concentrations injected peritoneally
into a rat!

Also, there's lots of enzymatic pathways to consider (see below for
example) and the conclusion is a bit of a stretch. Still, a bit of
biotin won't hurt.

        George M. Carter

***
Mihara H, Esaki N. Bacterial cysteine desulfurases: their function and
mechanisms. Appl Microbiol Biotechnol. 2002 Oct;60(1-2):12-23. Epub
2002 Sep 4.

Institute for Chemical Research, Kyoto University, Uji, Japan.

Cysteine desulfurase is a pyridoxal 5'-phosphate (PLP)-dependent
homodimeric enzyme that catalyzes the conversion of L-cysteine to
L-alanine and sulfane sulfur via the formation of a protein-bound
cysteine persulfide intermediate on a conserved cysteine residue.
Increased evidence for the functions of cysteine desulfurases has
revealed their important roles in the biosyntheses of Fe-S clusters,
thiamine, thionucleosides in tRNA, biotin, lipoic acid, molybdopterin,
and NAD. The enzymes are also proposed to be involved in cellular iron
homeostasis and in the biosynthesis of selenoproteins. The mechanisms
for sulfur mobilization mediated by cysteine desulfurases are as yet
unknown, but enzymes capable of providing a variety of biosynthetic
pathways for sulfur/selenium-containing biomolecules are probably
applicable to the production of cofactors and the bioconversion of
useful compounds.
Nick Chan - 04 Feb 2007 18:25 GMT
thanks for the info guys
im convinced its the lipoic acid.i was taking 100mg at day, 100mg at
night. until i find proper vitamin b7 supplements, i'm wont be taking
the acid often.damn,  i hope this hair loss wont be permanent? *sob*

> On Sat, 03 Feb 2007 17:26:30 GMT, "Jack N Dalton"
>
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> applicable to the production of cofactors and the bioconversion of
> useful compounds.
Nick Chan - 08 Mar 2007 06:06 GMT
hi just an update
i stopped the lipoic acid and my hair grew back. i managed to get
biotin, and started taking them both, since 2 weeks ago. hair still
looks ok. i hope it stays

> hi, i read somewhere that selenium + vitamin E causes hair loss
>
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> PS : im taking also alpha lipoic acid, bee propolis, co enzyme q10,
> neem, ester c, calcium,
 
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