Medical Forum / General / Nutrition / March 2007
selenium + vitamin E = hair loss?
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Nick Chan - 02 Feb 2007 11:10 GMT hi, i read somewhere that selenium + vitamin E causes hair loss
I believe my hair in the front is thinning.
im taking 200mcg selenium daily + vitamin e
(d-alpha-tocopherol 200IU d-beta-tocopherol 4.30mg d-gamma-tocopherol 91.39mg d-delta-tocopherol 32.26mg d-alpha-tocotrienol 5.56mg d-beta-tocotrienol 555.60mcg d-gamma-tocotrienol 11.11mg d-delta-tocotrienol 2.78mg)
anyone has experience with hair loss with selenium? should i cut selenium intake to once in two days? or once in 2 days for vitamin E?
PS : im taking also alpha lipoic acid, bee propolis, co enzyme q10, neem, ester c, calcium,
GMCarter - 02 Feb 2007 11:37 GMT >hi, i read somewhere that selenium + vitamin E causes hair loss Where did you read this?
Jack N Dalton - 03 Feb 2007 00:34 GMT > hi, i read somewhere that selenium + vitamin E causes hair loss > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > PS : im taking also alpha lipoic acid, bee propolis, co enzyme q10, > neem, ester c, calcium, Alpha-lipoic-acid can cause hair loss.
That is why they usually add some Biotin to the mix.
Of course they NEVER NEVER explain WHY they added the Biotin.
Early studies on dogs showed this problem. I cannot recall any human studies describing the problem.
The Lipoic Acid "interferes" with Biotin hence the need for more.
jack n dalton - jackD
noname - 03 Feb 2007 03:57 GMT > > hi, i read somewhere that selenium + vitamin E causes hair loss > > [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > jack n dalton - jackD None of the above will cause *male pattern baldness*. So, if that's what you have, it's not from anything you're taking.
GMCarter - 03 Feb 2007 11:13 GMT snip...
>Alpha-lipoic-acid can cause hair loss. And where did you read that? Or did you just make it up like the other guy?
Jack N Dalton - 03 Feb 2007 17:26 GMT In the past, lipoic acid has been administered to patients and test animals as therapy for diabetic neuropathy and various intoxications. Lipoic acid and the vitamin biotin have structural similarities. We sought to determine whether the chronic administration of lipoic acid affects the activities of biotin-dependent carboxylases. For 28 d, rats received daily intraperitoneal injections of one of the following: 1 ) a small dose of lipoic acid [4.3 µmol/( kg·d)]; 2 ) a large dose of lipoic acid [15.6 µmol/(kg·d)]; or 3 ) a large dose of lipoic acid plus biotin [15.6 and 2.0 µmol/(kg·d), respectively]. Another group received n-hexanoic acid [14.5 µmol/(kg·d)], which has structural similarities to lipoic acid and biotin and thus served as a control for the specificity of lipoic acid. A fifth group received phosphatidylcholine in saline injections and served as the vehicle control. The rat livers were assayed for the activities of acetyl-CoA carboxylase, pyruvate carboxylase, propionyl-CoA carboxylase, and -methylcrotonyl-CoA carboxylase. Urine was analyzed for lipoic acid; serum was analyzed for indicators of liver damage and metabolic aberrations. The mean activities of pyruvate carboxylase and -methylcrotonyl-CoA carboxylase were 28-36% lower in the lipoic acid-treated rats compared with vehicle controls (P < 0.05). Rats treated with lipoic acid plus biotin had normal carboxylase activities. Carboxylase activities in livers of n-hexanoic acid-treated rats were normal despite some evidence of liver injury. Propionyl-CoA carboxylase and acetyl-CoA carboxylase were not significantly affected by administration of lipoic acid. This study provides evidence consistent with the hypothesis that chronic administration of lipoic acid lowers the activities of pyruvate carboxylase and -methylcrotonyl-CoA carboxylase in vivo by competing with biotin.
Since BIOTIN is necessary for healthy hair(see below) and the above study shows that lipoic acid reduces its actvity there can be a chance of hair loss problem with lopic acid supplements, thus it usually has about 100 mcg of Biotin added to capsules/mix to counter this negative effect.
Researchers have speculated that biotin and alpha lipoic acid may compete with each other for absorption or uptake into cells; but little is known about the importance of these interactions in humans.
Packer et al. (1999) in their book The Antioxidant Miracle, recommend taking biotin supplements with alpha-lipoic acid when the daily intake exceeds 100 mg. (Alpha-lipoic acid may compete with biotin and interfere with biotin's activities in the body.)
jackD
Vitamin B7 Biotin Hair Loss Treatment Vitamin B7 Biotin supplements are often recommended as natural products to combat hair loss problems; however, there are no studies that show any benefit of Biotin in treating hair loss where the subject is not actually biotin deficient.
Biotin has been used as a hair growth vitamin, and as well used to prevent (reduce) excessive hair loss. Biotin appears to metabolize fatty acids which are valuable growth components in numerous processes in the body including hair. When an individual is deficient in vitamin B's, especially vitamin B6, biotin, inositol, and folic acid, hair loss can occur. B vitamins such as pantothenic acid, niacin, biotin are especially important for hair growth.
Typical signs and symptoms of biotin deficiency includes hair loss, and in extremely severe biotin deficiency cases includes loss of eye lashes and eye brows. Although there are shampoos which contain biotin, but its effectiveness is questionable since biotin is not absorbed well through the skin. While hair loss is hereditary for many men, maintaining a good, balanced diet that supplies your body with a proper, balanced nutrition can help slow down the hair loss - some balding men may find that taking a Vitamin B7 Biotin supplement can help slowdown their hair loss.
There are various foods that are good sources of biotin, and they include: eggs, liver, milk, yeast, kidney, beef, chicken, peanuts, and cheese.
Biotin Side Effects & Health Benefits Basically, you need Biotin to properly use fats and amino acids from your foods. In its physiologically active form, biotin is attached at the active site of four important enzymes, known as carboxylases. Each carboxylase catalyzes an essential metabolic reaction.
As mentioned before, deficiency in Biotin can result hair loss and weak finger nails. Studies in this area is being carried out and the results are not yet clear.
There are no know Biotin side effects; however there are risks of biotin deficiency. On the plus side, Biotin has many health benefits - it's used to treat hair loss and a number of skin disorders.
Vitamin B7 Biotin RDA In 1998 the Food and Nutrition Board of the Institute of Medicine felt the existing scientific evidence was insufficient to calculate an RDA for biotin, so they set an Adequate Intake level (AI). The AI for biotin assumes that current average intakes of biotin (35 mcg to 60 mcg/day) are meeting the dietary requirement.
Daily recommendations for dietary vitamin B7 are listed below.
Children and Youth:
Infants 0-6 months: 5 mcg/day Infants 7-12 months: 6 mcg/day Children 1-3 years: 8mcg/day Children 4-8 years: 12 mcg/day Children 9-13 years: 20 mcg/day Adolescents 14-18 years: 25 mcg/day (female) 25 mcg/day (male)
Adults:
Adults 19 years and older: 30 mcg/day (female) 30 mcg/day (male) Pregnancy all ages: 30 mcg/day Breastfeeding
> snip... >> >>Alpha-lipoic-acid can cause hair loss. > > And where did you read that? Or did you just make it up like the other > guy? GMCarter - 04 Feb 2007 11:56 GMT snip
>Packer et al. (1999) in their book The Antioxidant Miracle, recommend taking >biotin supplements with alpha-lipoic acid when the daily intake exceeds 100 >mg. (Alpha-lipoic acid may compete with biotin and interfere with biotin's >activities in the body.) Thanks! I'm pleasantly surprised! Data. And Lester is definitely a guy I'd pay attention to in these matters.
I'm not really all that convinced and would like the cite to the rat study. The competition found may not be relevant in humans. I have been taking a fairly high dose of lipoic for years for HCV and no hair loss. But I do take a multi with biotin in it as well, among other things.
However, I'm not sure even the rather high dose I take is physiologically comparable to the concentrations injected peritoneally into a rat!
Also, there's lots of enzymatic pathways to consider (see below for example) and the conclusion is a bit of a stretch. Still, a bit of biotin won't hurt.
George M. Carter
*** Mihara H, Esaki N. Bacterial cysteine desulfurases: their function and mechanisms. Appl Microbiol Biotechnol. 2002 Oct;60(1-2):12-23. Epub 2002 Sep 4.
Institute for Chemical Research, Kyoto University, Uji, Japan.
Cysteine desulfurase is a pyridoxal 5'-phosphate (PLP)-dependent homodimeric enzyme that catalyzes the conversion of L-cysteine to L-alanine and sulfane sulfur via the formation of a protein-bound cysteine persulfide intermediate on a conserved cysteine residue. Increased evidence for the functions of cysteine desulfurases has revealed their important roles in the biosyntheses of Fe-S clusters, thiamine, thionucleosides in tRNA, biotin, lipoic acid, molybdopterin, and NAD. The enzymes are also proposed to be involved in cellular iron homeostasis and in the biosynthesis of selenoproteins. The mechanisms for sulfur mobilization mediated by cysteine desulfurases are as yet unknown, but enzymes capable of providing a variety of biosynthetic pathways for sulfur/selenium-containing biomolecules are probably applicable to the production of cofactors and the bioconversion of useful compounds.
Nick Chan - 04 Feb 2007 18:25 GMT thanks for the info guys im convinced its the lipoic acid.i was taking 100mg at day, 100mg at night. until i find proper vitamin b7 supplements, i'm wont be taking the acid often.damn, i hope this hair loss wont be permanent? *sob*
> On Sat, 03 Feb 2007 17:26:30 GMT, "Jack N Dalton" > [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] > applicable to the production of cofactors and the bioconversion of > useful compounds. Nick Chan - 08 Mar 2007 06:06 GMT hi just an update i stopped the lipoic acid and my hair grew back. i managed to get biotin, and started taking them both, since 2 weeks ago. hair still looks ok. i hope it stays
> hi, i read somewhere that selenium + vitamin E causes hair loss > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > PS : im taking also alpha lipoic acid, bee propolis, co enzyme q10, > neem, ester c, calcium,
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