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> Any bona-fide knowledgeable person wanna comment...? This looks like
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> T.
The article says the "anti sat-fats" hypothesis started with Ancel Keys in
the Fifties. He compared countries with supposedly low sat fats intake and
other with higher sat fats intake. He even spent time in Italy, praised
olive oil and a diet rich in vegetables, and that's fine! Though, he didn't
notice that Italians *did* use also pork fat in traditional cooking, and
even if they ate little red meat, they *did* eat cheese, eggs, ham,
sausages, bologna!
It also seems to me he didn't notice that there was a difference in
lifestyle: Italy and Greece in the Fifties still were essentially rural
countries (in Italy we had our big "industrial revolution" at the end of
the Fifties), not so in the USA.
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| But it took off in the Fifties with the Seven Countries study by Ancel
| Keys, which showed that the higher the saturated fat intake in a
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| The countries he chose included Italy, Greece, the USA and the
| Netherlands. But why these particular ones?
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Susan - 26 Jan 2007 21:38 GMT
> The article says the "anti sat-fats" hypothesis started with Ancel Keys in
> the Fifties. He compared countries with supposedly low sat fats intake and
> other with higher sat fats intake.
What did he make of the French and Swiss paradoxes, then?
Susan
Ron Peterson - 27 Jan 2007 00:55 GMT
> x-no-archive: yes
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> > The article says the "anti sat-fats" hypothesis started with Ancel Keys in
> > the Fifties. He compared countries with supposedly low sat fats intake and
> > other with higher sat fats intake.What did he make of the French and Swiss paradoxes, then?
You can read about him at http://www.mbbnet.umn.edu/hoff/hoff_ak.html
-- he died 2 months before his 101 birhday.

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Steven - 27 Jan 2007 04:49 GMT
So, if saturated fat isn't bad (or if it's debatable, whatever), then
what kind of fats are for-sure bad?
Hydrogenated fats (sp?)
Trans fats (same thing?)
Over-cooked fats (over-heated, fried, burned, etc.)
True?
What other fats are bad?
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Ron Peterson - 27 Jan 2007 05:38 GMT
> So, if saturated fat isn't bad (or if it's debatable, whatever), then
> what kind of fats are for-sure bad?
There are different kinds of saturated fats depending on the length of
their chain.
> Hydrogenated fats (sp?)
Fully hydrogenated fats are identical to saturated fats.
> Trans fats (same thing?)
Trans fats are unsaturated fats that have been partially hydrogenated
to have a higher melting point. Everybody considers them unsafe because
they have no other natural biological function except to serve as a
calorie source.
> Over-cooked fats (over-heated, fried, burned, etc.)
Yes, there are all sorts of ugly chemicals produced by deep fryers
especially if the heat gets above 350 F or the oil is used for more
than one day. Monounsaturated oil is the safest for deep frying.
> What other fats are bad?
There is some belief that omega 6 is bad if it is more than 10 times
the omega 3 consumption. (The ideal ratio is 4 to 1). Even omega 3 is
considered to be dangerous if consumed in large amounts because it can
work as an anticoagulant.

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> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/health/healthmain.html...
> Any bona-fide knowledgeable person wanna comment...? This looks like
> important stuff...
Reading the article, the author acknowedges the importance of omega 3
fatty acids. Otherwise he seems paranoid about the large drug
companies.
An author with a similar theme, Anthony Colpo, in
http://www.jpands.org/vol10no3/colpo.pdf also refereces a study where
fish oil shows a benefit:
"Von Shacky and coworkers, in a 2-year double-blind trial in
patients with CHD, found that daily fish-oil supplementation
increased the incidence of atherosclerotic regression, and
decreased the loss in minimal luminal diameter, as assessed by
quantitative coronary angiography. Fish-oil recipients also
experienced fewer cardiovascular events. LDL cholesterol levels
tended to be greater in the fish-oil group."

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monty1945@lycos.com - 26 Jan 2007 20:56 GMT
See the recent thread on this newsgroup about the "lipid hypothesis."