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Medical Forum / General / Nutrition / January 2007Oh, but I'm sure canola is perfectly safe.
http://www.flaxcouncil.ca/english/index.php?p=growing1&mp=growing > Crop Rotation > Following Canola or Mustard > > Research in Saskatchewan has shown that flax sometimes does poorly after canola or mustard. This is due to toxic compounds in mature canola and mustard plants and their seedling residues. However, research in Manitoba has shown that flax yields on canola stubble were generally not affected, although small reductions occurred in some years. The problem is most evident where straw and trash from the previous canola crop have not been adequately spread on the soil surface. Canola straw should, therefore, be spread uniformly, and spring volunteer seedlings should be controlled at an early stage in order to minimize possible toxic effects. Seeding into untilled canola stubble can also minimize the problem. > http://www.flaxcouncil.ca/english/index.php?p=growing1&mp=growing > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >> an early stage in order to minimize possible toxic effects. Seeding into >> untilled canola stubble can also minimize the problem. What exactly is your point here? You think canola oil is unsafe to eat? >> http://www.flaxcouncil.ca/english/index.php?p=growing1&mp=growing >> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > What exactly is your point here? You think canola oil is unsafe to eat? I don't know---maybe you could explain whether it is. I did find the following: http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&lr=&safe=off&as_qdr=all&q=glucosinola te+thyroid&btnG=Search http://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheN&cpsidt=1464246 > Evaluation of Western Australian canola meal for growing pigs > MULLAN B. P. (1) ; PLUSKE J. R. (2) ; ALLEN J. (1) ; HARRIS D. J. (3) ; > Increasing amounts of canola meal in the diet were associated with heavier (P < 0.001) thyroid weights, suggesting a negative influence of the products of glucosinolate hydrolysis on thyroid function. Single-press canola meal is a suitable alternative to other protein sources; however, at levels > 150 g/kg for growing-finishing pigs, higher intakes of glucosinolates were associated with a tendency for decreased pig performance and thyroid hypertrophy despite the canola varieties used being low glucosinolate'. > I don't know---maybe you could explain whether it is. Is it the erucic acid that concerns you? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erucic_acid >> I don't know---maybe you could explain whether it is. > > Is it the erucic acid that concerns you? > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erucic_acid Not particularly. There may be more than one thing wrong with it. The biggest question seems to be the antithyroid effects of glucosinolates. I wrote: > http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&lr=&safe=off&as_qdr=all&q=glucosinola te+thyroid&btnG=Search > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> > MULLAN B. P. (1) ; PLUSKE J. R. (2) ; ALLEN J. (1) ; HARRIS D. J. (3) ; >> > Increasing amounts of canola meal in the diet were associated with heavier (P < 0.001) thyroid weights, suggesting a negative influence of the products of glucosinolate hydrolysis on thyroid function. Single-press canola meal is a suitable alternative to other protein sources; however, at levels > 150 g/kg for growing-finishing pigs, higher intakes of glucosinolates were associated with a tendency for decreased pig performance and thyroid hypertrophy despite the canola varieties used being low glucosinolate'. > I don't know---maybe you could explain whether it is. You didn't get these ideas from reading this, did you? http://www.snopes.com/medical/toxins/canola.asp >> I don't know---maybe you could explain whether it is. > > You didn't get these ideas from reading this, did you? > > http://www.snopes.com/medical/toxins/canola.asp The first sentence of the letter should've been a warning: "Recently I bought a cooking oil that's new to our supermarkets..." What friggin' planet was that person from? Canola's been around for what...at least 15 years? More? >>> I don't know---maybe you could explain whether it is. >> You didn't get these ideas from reading this, did you? [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > What friggin' planet was that person from? Canola's been around for > what...at least 15 years? More? Everything on the web was authored within the last 90 days. :-) >>>> I don't know---maybe you could explain whether it is. >>> You didn't get these ideas from reading this, did you? [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Everything on the web was authored within the last 90 days. :-) Not only that, but before that 90 day period, there was no history, no books, no nothing. How did we get through a day? >> I don't know---maybe you could explain whether it is. > > You didn't get these ideas from reading this, did you? > > http://www.snopes.com/medical/toxins/canola.asp nope > DANGERS OVERSTATED > > Reports on the dangers of rapeseed oil are rampant on the internet, mostly stemming from an article, "Blindness, Mad Cow Disease and Canola Oil," by John Thomas, which appeared in Perceptions magazine, March/April 1996. Some of the claims are ludicrous. Although rape is a member of the brassica or mustard family, it is not the source of mustard gas used in chemical warfare. http://www.westonaprice.org/knowyourfats/conola.html http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Search&itool=pubmed_ AbstractPlus&term=%22Enig+MG%22%5BAuthor%5D >>> I don't know---maybe you could explain whether it is. >> [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > http://www.westonaprice.org/knowyourfats/conola.html > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Search&itool=pubmed_ AbstractPlus&term=%22Enig+MG%22%5BAuthor%5D Don't provide links like the .gov search results and expect most people to spend the time reading all those things. Provide excerpts which support what you're saying, along with links for those of us who want to read more. Otherwise, your credibility is immediately suspect. You *may* have a secretary, but that person is not in this newsgroup. >>>> I don't know---maybe you could explain whether it is. >>> You didn't get these ideas from reading this, did you? [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > Don't provide links like the .gov search results and expect most people to > spend the time reading all those things. The significance of the pubmed link was that Mary G. Enig (co-author of the Con-ola article) is a degreed research scientist. The pubmed link is a list of some of her published articles. >>>>> I don't know---maybe you could explain whether it is. >>>> You didn't get these ideas from reading this, did you? [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > the Con-ola article) is a degreed research scientist. The pubmed link > is a list of some of her published articles. I'm not questioning the credibility of any of the articles. I'm saying that expecting us to read them all is like writing a college paper with footnotes saying "Some book - I forgot which", or "This book, and guess which page". >>>>>> I don't know---maybe you could explain whether it is. >>>>> You didn't get these ideas from reading this, did you? [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > expecting us to read them all is like writing a college paper with footnotes > saying "Some book - I forgot which", or "This book, and guess which page". Wow. The point of my last post to you was that people weren't supposed to read all those papers. Most of them have little to do with canola. They were just supposed to see that she has published a lot of peer-reviewed research and so is less likely to be a crackpot. Get it? : They were just supposed to see that she has published a : lot of peer-reviewed research and so is less likely to be a crackpot. Only one published study in recent ten years and nine published studies in total is not very impressive.  SignatureJuhana Minds are like parachutes - they only function when open - Thomas Dewar >Minds are like parachutes - they only function when open >- Thomas Dewar But not so open that your brains fall out. - Richard Dawkins in a letter to Prince Charles. :: Minds are like parachutes - they only function when open :: - Thomas Dewar : : But not so open that your brains fall out. : - Richard Dawkins in a letter to Prince Charles. In my opinion Dawkins never opened his parachute. ;-) SignatureJuhana Of two evils, choose the more interesting. - Thomas Dewar >:: Minds are like parachutes - they only function when open >:: - Thomas Dewar [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >In my opinion Dawkins never opened his parachute. ;-) So that's why arguably the most prestigious university in the world gave him arguably the most influential science chair on their campus? Go figure! The trouble most folk have with Dawkins is that he DID open his parachute wide and then argued cogently his case based on evidence. Go figure! :=) jack :::: Minds are like parachutes - they only function when open :::: - Thomas Dewar [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] : open his parachute wide and then argued cogently his case based on : evidence. Go figure! :=) jack This might be of interest to you. :-) http://tinyurl.com/yjhcle SignatureJuhana >:::: Minds are like parachutes - they only function when open >:::: - Thomas Dewar [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > >http://tinyurl.com/yjhcle More dismay actually, Juhana, that humans can be so superstitous and gullible. jack >>http://tinyurl.com/yjhcle > >More dismay actually, Juhana, that humans can be so superstitous and >gullible. jack If it takes 660 pages to bamboozle them into believing in God, they're not that gullible. --Blair >>>http://tinyurl.com/yjhcle >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >If it takes 660 pages to bamboozle them into believing >in God, they're not that gullible. The 660 pages being the Bible? Well, if they actually read it. Seems that America is the most religiously fundamentalist country in the world, and when questioned, the most ignorant about the details of their holy book. So I would say that Dawkin's theories about children believing what parents or elders tell them without question for their own physical safety and so they believe anything they are told is pretty right. I'm so glad my parents shoved nothing down my throat, except a healthy questioning of everything. What is it the Jesuits say about "give me the child until he is seven and I will give you the man"? At least they were honest. jack >>>>http://tinyurl.com/yjhcle >>> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >The 660 pages being the Bible? No, the 660 pages being the book they flog at the bottom of the rant at that URL. _Does God Believe in Atheists_, by John "Fallacy of Presuming the Conclusion" Blanchard. >Well, if they actually read it. The bible is a f.cking mess. Nobody who has "actually read it" as an entire work could come away believing any of it, because it's internally inconsistent to a crippling degree. And the KJ version is not an entire work in the first place. The Apocrypha, which were also "the word of God", were edited out of it by men. The stories of Jesus being a serial killer in his youth are particularly interesting. >Seems that America is the most religiously fundamentalist country in Second to many muslim countries, unfortunately. We may have state-sponsored religion, but we haven't succumbed to anything like Sharia quite yet. >the world, and when questioned, the most ignorant about the details of >their holy book. So I would say that Dawkin's theories about children [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >about "give me the child until he is seven and I will give you the >man"? At least they were honest. jack That's a bit young to be making men of boys. --Blair ---snip--- > What is it the Jesuits say > about "give me the child until he is seven and I will give you the > man"? At least they were honest. jack Sounds like some sort of weird hostage exchange deal to me... :-) The Jesuits, at least here in the U.S., also have had a reputation for turning out some of the best-educated converts from Catholicism to atheism or agnosticism, so perhaps it all balances out. Or maybe that's what they're talking about in your quote above. Bob > http://www.flaxcouncil.ca/english/index.php?p=growing1&mp=growing I take it you don't put mustard on your hotdogs. Gabby >> http://www.flaxcouncil.ca/english/index.php?p=growing1&mp=growing > > I take it you don't put mustard on your hotdogs. > > Gabby Hmmm ... well that's an idea---thanks. http://www.ithyroid.com/goitrogens.htm > GOITROGENS > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > Millet > Peanuts > Hmmm ... well that's an idea---thanks. > > http://www.ithyroid.com/goitrogens.htm I think you're ok unless you are a pig who is eating massive quantities of babassu and mandioca. Even then, take your iodine and all will be well. -L. Please join my team in the fight against cancer. http://www.grid.org/services/teams/team.htm?id=9184296B-D4ED-49A2-A173-AEB0DD18A6CE >> Hmmm ... well that's an idea---thanks. >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > -L. This 'canola thing' is a prennial weed; popping up at regular intervals. I have no doubt that its origins can be traced to the corn oil industry/lobby in the USA. The Snopes article de-bunks it thoroughly but lazy people come across the mis-information and predictably push the 'big red button' without further thought. Ken. |
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