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Kamalakar Pasupuleti - 20 Dec 2006 00:51 GMT
Legumes are classified as whole grain foods
and supposed to control levels of blood sugar
in diabetics . I find it to be doing opposite
in my case . I find a considerable increase in
BG levels both fasting and post lunch figures .

Any one else with a similar experience .
I am on Metformin for diabetes .

Kam
monty1945@lycos.com - 20 Dec 2006 01:20 GMT
Yes, on a legume-rich "vegan" diet, my blood glucose was just under the
"pre-diabetic" range, but when I switched to my current diet, my BG was
on the low end of normal, and I feel much better (and there were all
kinds of other benefits).

You can read about this, and my nutritional research, on my free web
site:

http://groups.msn.com/TheScientificDebateForum-/
dorsy1943 - 20 Dec 2006 09:04 GMT
If you are buying canned legumes, check to make sure they don't contain
sugar.  Canned beans are supposed to raise the blood sugar more than
beans you cook yourself even without added sugar.  Also watch portion
size.  When I mix rice and beans together I usually add a tiny bit of
olive oil which seems to keep spikes from going too high.  Some on this
group worry about spikes, so keep their diet confined to foods that do
not cause spikes.  If I am eating whole foods I do not worry about that
as long as portion sizes are reasonable.  I also often save foods which
cause spikes for a time of day when I know I can exercise after eating,
and keep the lower glycemic stuff for later in the day when I will not
be exercising.

Dolores

> Legumes are classified as whole grain foods
> and supposed to control levels of blood sugar
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> Kam
Kamalakar Pasupuleti - 20 Dec 2006 13:37 GMT
> If you are buying canned legumes, check to make sure they don't contain
> sugar.  Canned beans are supposed to raise the blood sugar more than
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> Dolores

           No - I am talking about dry black eyed white
beans . I soaked overnight and boiled , the portion was very small
about 1/8th cup . The black turtle beans seems to be
still worse .This is quite contrary to what information
we find on the web search about eating legumes which
are rich in fiber and slow to raise the BG levels .

         I am quite comfortable with whole wheat bread
rice and green leafy vegetables . They keep BG levels low .

Kam
coonskin@amestwp.com - 20 Dec 2006 17:48 GMT
"No - I am talking about dry black eyed white
aked overnight and boiled , the portion was very small
cup . The black turtle beans seems to be
.This is quite contrary to what information
he web search about eating legumes which
fiber and slow to raise the BG levels .

am quite comfortable with whole wheat bread
en leafy vegetables . They keep BG levels low ."

I have in past suggested you consult the below web sources.  They
discuss how much glucose is raised and how quickly by specific foods.
The first link has hundreds of foods, including many from india because
there is much diabetes research on this topic there.  You will find that
bread of all kinds and rice of all kinds raise glucose levels higher
then most foods, even similar to table sugar.  In some of the tests
white bread is the standard substance against which others are tested
because it raises glucose so high.  As a food Legumes are not equal in
test results at all.  One example of an indian Legume that is among the
very lowest is chana dawl.

Here is the list of foods which includes an
introduction of how it works:

http://www.mendosa.com/gilists.htm.

Here is an extensive discussion of the medical basis for the use of the
food lists and the results from testing them:

http://www.mendosa.com/gi.htm.
Kamalakar Pasupuleti - 20 Dec 2006 18:27 GMT
> Here is the list of foods which includes an
> introduction of how it works:
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>
> http://www.mendosa.com/gi.htm.

    Yes , I did go thru but it doesn't work on all
individuals as every individual body is different
based on their food habits they grew upon .

Coming to rice there are variety of them grown all
over the world . The rice grown in most parts of
India has the least amount of starch and a fair amount
of fiber and most diabetic Indians eat rice only
once a day during lunch .

Kam
coonskin@amestwp.com - 20 Dec 2006 19:03 GMT
"Yes , I did go thru but it doesn't work on all individuals as every
individual body is different based on their food habits they grew upon
."

It works with all people because a very basic medical principle of how
the body uses foods is happening.  There might be individual variation
compared to the results but the results describe what happens.  As a
diabetic your glucose meter always is the final answer to the individual
variations as to which foods and how much one can eat to meet post meal
glucose goals.

"Coming to rice there are variety of them grown all over the world . The
rice grown in most parts of India has the least amount of starch and a
fair amount of fiber and most diabetic Indians eat rice only once a day
during lunch ."

Yes, I know of those rice varients, in fact they are discussed in the
information on those links.  As to when and how much rice is good for a
diabetic, the answer remains the same as above, let your meter tell you
and not a tradition of food patterns.

I understand that in a food culture where many foods are very highly
carbohydrate laden that choices narrow very quickly if one wants to have
an effective diabetes treatment.  The lists allow one to choose among
those food categories for the least glucose raising choices and by
combining those with the amounts of them that your meter says does not
violate post meal glucose levels then one can make the best of a hard
situation.

For example, your experience with legumes confirms this.  If you choose
those lower on the list glucose levels will be lower as compared to
those higher on the list and for the same amount of each.  There are
many dishes with chana dawl and it has the lowest test result of almost
any food.
Kamalakar Pasupuleti - 21 Dec 2006 10:28 GMT
One example of an indian Legume that is among the
very lowest is chana dawl.

 In India a large variety of chana Daal is grown ,
the smaller to the big hybrid variety . Yes , they
are very nutricious . In olden days the horses were
fed with the chana daal + horse gram soaked togethet
overnight as a nutrient .

         The smaller variety has more nutrients .
The whole gram soaked and sprouted are supposed to
contain bunch of vitamins . The fresh green varieties
during the season are burnt on fire and eaten , a
delicacy among the villagers .

 The chana dal is believed to have the properties
of cleansing the arteries . Yes , they are high in
protein and fiber and the GI - GL are low .

Kam
     
 
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