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TC - 19 Dec 2006 16:54 GMT http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2099-1703380,00.html
The Sunday Times July 31, 2005
Investigation
Death of the magic bullet We have learnt to place our faith in pills. But at what cost? As more and more prescription drugs are withdrawn because of adverse side effects, new figures suggest that the medicines we take are killing up to 20,000 people a year in the UK - six times as many as die on Britain's roads. Rose Shepherd reports
Mark's death in March 2004 was horrific. He'd been feeling low and losing sleep, and his doctor had prescribed promazine, an antipsychotic, although Mark, 49, had no symptoms of psychosis - until he took the drug. After two tablets he started to act oddly, saying he felt he could control things with his mind. After a third tablet, James, his partner of six years, saw him stepping agitatedly from foot to foot as he talked strangely on the phone, and then he fell. "He said he was okay," recalls James, "but I went with him to the surgery and we saw a different GP, who took the tablets off us and said Mark should be all right."
That evening, as James tried to go into the kitchen, Mark blocked his way and scuffled with him in the hall. James pushed him out of the front door, and Mark, "the quietest person", lobbed a paving slab through the window.
"He calmed down, so I let him in, then phoned 999. The police and ambulance came and asked Mark if he was okay, and left us to it. When Mark had gone to bed, I phoned the duty doctor, who said some people react that way to medication. He didn't feel a need to come out. I fell asleep but was woken by Mark screaming. He had locked himself in the bedroom. I called and he came to the door. He was trying to say something, but the words weren't coming. Then he fell on his back, really screaming. It looked like he was having an electric shock." James was on the phone to the emergency services when the screaming stopped. He found Mark lying on the stairs. There was blood in his mouth. The paramedics arrived promptly, but too late.
James was summoned to the police station, not to talk about the drug that might have killed Mark, but to raise the possibility that he had. "The inquest seemed mainly about establishing it was an accident. They said they believed Mark died of postural asphyxia after falling downstairs. Promazine was mentioned, but they never went into what caused him to have a fit. It is just my opinion that the promazine killed him."
According to the mental-health charity Mind's booklet Making Sense of Antipsychotics, adverse drug reactions (ADRs) to these drugs can include restlessness, unease, rocking from foot to foot, muscle spasms, aggression and, rarely, potentially fatal neuroleptic malignant syndrome, characterised by "sweating or fever... rigidity or loss of movement, difficulty in speaking or swallowing, changes in consciousness from lethargy and confusion to stupor or coma". Who knows, then, if it was the promazine, or perhaps an interaction between the promazine and other medication Mark had had? But shouldn't the possibility have been countenanced? There is a system in place for logging suspected ADRs.
The fact is, if someone you know is suffering from ADRs, you and they may not know it, and it may not be immediately obvious to your GP or even to a hospital consultant.
Allopathic medicine is founded on the belief that drugs are, all in all, a good thing; but we are now in a society awash with medications, and we have ushered in a killer. In a report in July 2004, the department of pharmacology and therapeutics at Liverpool University suggested ADRs account for 5,700 deaths a year on admission to hospital. If adverse reactions after admission were added, this could suggest a total of 10,000 deaths, while deaths from ADRs among those not admitted to hospital could be as many again. To put this in perspective, 3,221 people were killed on Britain's roads in 2004, and six times as many were killed by a legally prescribed drug, according to this study's conservative reckoning.
It has always been accepted that medicines can have dangerous side effects - hence the so-called "risk-benefit" trade-off. Even drugs in long and common use can cause ill in a susceptible few. And, with an industry under economic pressure to produce new drugs, these are prescribed without knowledge of their long-term side effects. It may take years for unwanted consequences to be known. They could even show up a generation later, as was the case with the synthetic oestrogen DES (diethylstilbestrol), prescribed to prevent miscarriage from around 1950 until 1975 in the UK, when it was found to cause a rare form of vaginal cancer in one in 1,000 girls exposed to it in the womb.
Most of us take pills at times, and we need clear information as to possible side effects. Yet packet inserts are skimped, small-print affairs, while in medical schools there is a paucity of teaching of clinical pharmacology and therapeutics. Much of doctors' knowledge comes from advertisements, sales reps' spiel, industry-sponsored seminars, and a medical press seeded with ghosted articles that emphasise the positive.
The need to monitor drugs more closely became evident after the thalidomide debacle in 1964. Here in Britain, Sir Derrick Dunlop, chairman of the new Committee on Safety of Drugs (CSD), circulated a letter to doctors asking them to report promptly "any untoward condition in any patient that might be the result of drug treatment". Thus began the yellow-card scheme, implemented by Bill Inman, formerly with the medical department of the pharmaceuticals division of ICI. Under this voluntary reporting scheme, doctors were to notify the committee of suspected ADRs.
The Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA) now collects yellow cards - submitted by health-care professionals and coroners, and by pharmaceutical companies under statutory obligations - assisted by the Committee on Safety of Medicines (CSM) and the Medicines Commission within the Department of Health. It is funded entirely by the pharmaceutical industry, and how it goes about its business is not for us to know. The Medicines Act, 1968, prohibits the disclosure of any information "obtained by or furnished in pursuance of this act". Professor Inman demurred. "I believe," he has written, "that all information about the effects of drugs should be available to any bona fide research worker from the first moment that the first dose is taken by a human being."
In 1965, Inman took home nearly 1,000 yellow cards relating to ADRs among women on the contraceptive pill. He arranged and rearranged them on his living-room floor, sorting and resorting them according to age, time on the pill, and whether or not the patient had died, until it became "glaringly obvious" that certain preparations of the pill caused thrombosis. Inman spent hours performing analyses that, he noted, "I would now have completed in minutes on a home computer".
The MHRA, under the chairman Professor Sir Alasdair Breckenridge (formerly of Glaxo's scientific advisory committee), enters yellow-card reports onto its Adverse Drug Reactions On-Line Information Tracking (Adroit) database. Doctors, pharmacists and scientists within the Pharmacovigilance Group of the Post-Licensing Division use this information and other sources to assess causal links between drugs and reported reactions. But is the authority performing any more effectively than did Inman, grubbing around on his carpet 40 years ago?
Not to judge by a recent inquiry by the Commons health select committee into the influence of the pharmaceutical industry, which describes a "lack of effective discipline and regulation", a "pervasive and persistent" industry, a "failing system of pharmacovigilance" and an "extremely passive" process of drug surveillance. The MHRA is, says the inquiry report, "oblivious to the critical views of outsiders and unable to accept that it has any obvious shortcomings... [its] attitude to its public health responsibilities suggested some complacency and a lack of requisite competency".
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Google "pharma magic bullet". Lots of interesting results. This was one of them.
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capmack@shipper.com - 19 Dec 2006 18:54 GMT "Death of the magic bullet We have learnt to place our faith in pills. But at what cost? As more and more prescription drugs are withdrawn because of adverse side effects, new figures suggest that the medicines we take are killing up"
Then the death of the magic "alternative drug" bullit should be its lack of information about being safe and/or effective and /or is as marketed as to contents. Current oversight law is very poorly enforced in these areas and the poor consumer has only the flood of marketing by which to make consumer decisions.
If adverse side effects in prescription drugs exist they show up in the safety phase of testing and/or soon after introduction.
In the absense of any similar for "alternative drugs" they show up if and only if by word of mouth they are serious enough to no longer be ignored. Current law does not require the "alternative drug" industry report adverse events to anyone, let alone the poor consumer.
TC - 19 Dec 2006 19:04 GMT > "Death of the magic bullet > We have learnt to place our faith in pills. But at what cost? As more [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > ignored. Current law does not require the "alternative drug" industry > report adverse events to anyone, let alone the poor consumer. So? Does that excuse the "official" drug industry from responsibility? Do two wrongs make a right?
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capmack@shipper.com - 19 Dec 2006 19:40 GMT >> "Death of the magic bullet >> We have learnt to place our faith in pills. But at what cost? As more [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >So? Does that excuse the "official" drug industry from responsibility? >Do two wrongs make a right? No, nor was anything of the like being claimed. My point was about the level of information on which to make informed decisions, by that reference if the prescription drugs which are tested are a "failed magic bullet then "alternative drugs" on the same score are even more so having no safety testing or adverse reporting at all. Indeed, it is a double bullet failure as testing doesn't usually exist that shows that it even works in the first place.
TC - 20 Dec 2006 14:59 GMT > >> "Death of the magic bullet > >> We have learnt to place our faith in pills. But at what cost? As more [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > double bullet failure as testing doesn't usually exist that shows that > it even works in the first place. The point of my original post was to illustrate how we've been conditioned to think in terms of a magic bullet cure for everything that ails us. And the pharma industry loves to announce new drugs in that light. Every potential drug being tested is touted as the potential cure to a disease, ie. a magic bullet.
Then when someone comes along and finds the actual magic bullet of true health, ie proper nutrition, the medical industrial complex derides them for pushing a mythical magic bullet.
Excellent health demands excellent diet. There is no good health without proper nutrition.
No pill, or no combination of pills, will make a person healthy in the absence of proper nutrition.
No disease exists because the patient failed to have had a certain pill in their diet.
TC
capmack@shipper.com - 20 Dec 2006 17:15 GMT "The point of my original post was to illustrate how we've been conditioned to think in terms of a magic bullet cure for everything that ails us. And the pharma industry loves to announce new drugs in that light. Every potential drug being tested is touted as the potential cure to a disease, ie. a magic bullet.
Then when someone comes along and finds the actual magic bullet of true health, ie proper nutrition, the medical industrial complex derides them for pushing a mythical magic bullet.
Excellent health demands excellent diet. There is no good health without proper nutrition.
No pill, or no combination of pills, will make a person healthy in the absence of proper nutrition.
No disease exists because the patient failed to have had a certain pill in their diet."
Smile, and which magic bullet diet have you in mind? Not all disease is nutrition related and I am happy the demonstrated effecctive "pills" are there. I'm also happy that nutrition iadvice and information from research supported studies are there to sort the wheat from the chaff.
TC - 20 Dec 2006 18:58 GMT > "The point of my original post was to illustrate how we've been > conditioned to think in terms of a magic bullet cure for everything [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > there. I'm also happy that nutrition iadvice and information from > research supported studies are there to sort the wheat from the chaff. 1) The magic bullet diet is the one proposed by Weston Price et al. Real food. Real nutrition. No refined crap. It doesn't suggest how much food of what kind to eat but simply brings attention to what good traditional nutritious food ought to be eaten and what new manufactured refined nutrient-deficient crap to not eat.
2) Most modern conditions are diet related. Obesity. Heart disease. Strokes. CVD. Metabolic syndrome. Pre-diabetes, Diabetes T2, dementia, anxiety/depression, cancer, etc.
3) Pills have been completely ineffective against the above mentioned conditions. Pills aren't designed to combat these conditions but to treat their symptoms and phantom markers like statins are used for high cholesterol.
4) The current state of the science in nutrition is basically a free-for-all for food and pharma to create "science" to sell products. Therefore "science-based" nutrition is all marketting crap. Well, at leats 70% marketting crap.
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capmack@shipper.com - 20 Dec 2006 19:52 GMT > Smile, and which magic bullet diet have you in mind? Not all disease is > nutrition related and I am happy the demonstrated effecctive "pills" are > there. I'm also happy that nutrition iadvice and information from > research supported studies are there to sort the wheat from the chaff. "1) The magic bullet diet is the one proposed by Weston Price et al. Real food. Real nutrition. No refined crap. It doesn't suggest how much food of what kind to eat but simply brings attention to what good traditional nutritious food ought to be eaten and what new manufactured refined nutrient-deficient crap to not eat."
Smile, we know we know, the elsewhere label "lifestyle food cult" always have a magic bullet. The priceies cherry pick research in support of their claims, the original price book is an interesting travelogue but doesn't rise to the level of science.
"2) Most modern conditions are diet related. Obesity. Heart disease. Strokes. CVD. Metabolic syndrome. Pre-diabetes, Diabetes T2, dementia, anxiety/depression, cancer, etc."
Malaria is I think the number one killer at present, other such infection based diseases such as aids are also common and at high levels worldwide. Drugs contain many previously infectious diseases by vaccination.
It is at present unclear if metabolic disorders are related alone to consuming too many calories and the resulting overweight status combined with low levels of physical active or if it is also in part a mix of that and the kinds of foods eaten when becoming overweight and letting physical condition lapse.
It is clear that kinds of food alone do not account for those disorders as normal weight and higher activity folk are at much lower levels for them even when those foods are consumed.
TC - 20 Dec 2006 21:53 GMT > > Smile, and which magic bullet diet have you in mind? Not all disease is > > nutrition related and I am happy the demonstrated effecctive "pills" are [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > as normal weight and higher activity folk are at much lower levels for > them even when those foods are consumed. Very good re-iteration by rote of the mainstream take on these conditions. Some of us know better that to actually believe that crap.
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capmack@shipper.com - 20 Dec 2006 22:47 GMT > It is clear that kinds of food alone do not account for those disorders > as normal weight and higher activity folk are at much lower levels for > them even when those foods are consumed. "Very good re-iteration by rote of the mainstream take on these conditions. Some of us know better that to actually believe that crap."
What else can a person do when not knowing the secret handshake of the lifestyle food cult. Could you pleas set us straight? O great one, what heretofore hidden knowledge can you disclose, we willn't tell another soul.
TC - 21 Dec 2006 15:57 GMT > > It is clear that kinds of food alone do not account for those > disorders [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > what heretofore hidden knowledge can you disclose, we willn't tell > another soul. There is nothing secret about the "lifestyle food cult".
All you need is the right information, here is a good start:
http://www.westonaprice.org/index.html
And then you need to develop a moderate sense of scepticism about the Medical Industrial Complex, and you are set.
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capmack@shipper.com - 21 Dec 2006 16:16 GMT "There is nothing secret about the "lifestyle food cult".
All you need is the right information, here is a good start:
http://www.westonaprice.org/index.html
And then you need to develop a moderate sense of scepticism about the Medical Industrial Complex, and you are set."
But the priceie group is not scientific about its claims, they are however good at cherry picking material to support their preconcieved doctrines. As for being sceptic, that cuts both ways., including swallowing full hog the doctrine of the above web site. The only real antidote for being a sceptic is having the science to support the truth claims * ANYONE * produces. The lifestyle food cults can't.
The pricies shoot blank magic bullets.. They just cater to a different segment of the medical/industrial complex.
TC - 22 Dec 2006 15:09 GMT > "There is nothing secret about the "lifestyle food cult". > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > however good at cherry picking material to support their preconcieved > doctrines. Actually, Prices science still stands up to scrutiny. I've seen no-one provide any scientific evidence that goes against the general principals of Prices original studies.
Is it cherry picking to see the sense and the truth in Prices papers, and to question the 70% of modern marketting research funded by industry towards their own profitteering goals? I would rather call it being objectively critical than call it cherry picking.
And what do we call those who religiously adhere to marketting propaganda while denigating such quality work as Prices? Industry Food Cultists? Hey that has a ring to it.
I guess cherry picking is in the eye of the propangandist.
> As for being sceptic, that cuts both ways., including > swallowing full hog the doctrine of the above web site. The only real > antidote for being a sceptic is having the science to support the truth > claims * ANYONE * produces. The lifestyle food cults can't. I don't expect anyone to "swallow" the "doctrine" of Prices website. I expect them to read it with an open mind, a healthy sense of scepticism, and an eye for what makes sense. Then I expect them to compare it with everything else they've been taught by the advertising controlled popular media. Then I expect them to try Price suggested way of eating and to see the difference in their health and their medical and pharmaceutical bills.
It would be nice if we did have the science to support any claims of truth. Too bad that more than 70% of the "science" is nothinmg more than overall confusing industry marketting. In the absence of any useful scientific evidence, we are left to learn for ourselves what real nutrition is.
The fact is that Industry Food Cultists can't produce any real "science" to support their claims about how grains and refined carbs are healthy and should be 60% of your diet. Or that animal fats are dangerous. Or anything else they propagandize about. It is mostly all marketting propaganda.
> The pricies shoot blank magic bullets.. They just cater to a different > segment of the medical/industrial complex. Prices findings are even more relevant today than they were when he first published. The great thing is that anyone can read his material and conclude that it makes a great deal of sense. Way more sense than the confusion being sown by various food industry players publishing "science" that changes its mind every few months depending on the product being sold. And it is relatively easy to start following Prices food recomendations and see almost immediate results in feeling better and being healthier. Contrary to the medical industrial complexes solution to health problems, Prices solution actually get results in th real world instead of just on paper in the tightly controlled narrow confines of a pharma or food industry lab.
And Price is most definitely not part of the Medical Industrial Complex. They aren't in it for the money. I challenge you to show me how they are in it for the money. If they were part of the Medical Industrial Complex, you would be behind them 100% and singing their praises religiously.
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capmack@shipper.com - 22 Dec 2006 16:47 GMT >Prices findings are even more relevant today than they were when he >first published. The great thing is that anyone can read his material [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >real world instead of just on paper in the tightly controlled narrow >confines of a pharma or food industry lab. Price had a nice travellog, his book failed as science for its many flaws of science methodology as discussed before. To mention his shortcomings in science is not to speak to any other case of science, his must stand or fall on its own merits. His observations are so flawed as to what food traditions he listed in his travels that no coherent dietary pattern could be derived.
>And Price is most definitely not part of the Medical Industrial >Complex. They aren't in it for the money. I challenge you to show me >how they are in it for the money. If they were part of the Medical >Industrial Complex, you would be behind them 100% and singing their >praises religiously. Price is not part of it, he is dead these many years now. They push some categories of foods over others, those are produced by someone who are not in it for charity purposes. Using your oft used and now thread worn logic, they must be a front for those producers. I didn't know that lifestyle food cults had hymns too, learn something every day.
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