Hello:
I thought you all might find the following passage from the book
"Fasting and Eating for Health" (ISBN: 031218719X /
http://tinyurl.com/wx6zx ) by Joel Fuhrman, M.D., interesting. It
involves studies of Seventh-Day Adventists, a group that is often
studied because they are disproportionately vegetarian (when compared
with the general American population). (Incidentally, I'm not a
Seventh-Day Adventist myself -- my life's philosophy is much closer to
Buddhism - Vedanta - Quakerism, etc.) This passage starts on page 74:
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Many mortality studies have been done on the Seventh-Day Adventists
.... They are prohibited from using tobacco, alcohol, and pork, and are
discouraged from consuming meats, fish, eggs, and caffeine-containing
beverages. Because the latter items are only discouraged and not
prohibited, there is a wide range of consumption of these items. ....
If we look at multiple scientific investigations done on this group, we
find the following:
1. As a whole, male Adventists live an average of 8.9 years longer than
the rest of (nonsmoking) America, and Adventist women 7.5 years longer
(this includes both vegetarian and nonvegetarian Adventists).
Vegetarian Adventists live the longest in proportion to the time they
had been on a vegetarian diet. [note 22] If we extrapolate the results
to include those on a vegetarian diet for more than half of their
lives, more than 13 years [!!!!] are added to the life span, compared
to the nonsmoking American.
2. Egg and meat consumption is strongly associated with all causes of
mortality. Dairy product and milk consumption is associated with
prostate cancer. The earlier in life that Adventists became
vegetarians, the lower their risk of coronary heart disease. [note 23]
These findings are consistent with the findings of numerous
epidemiologic investigations, including those done on dairy products
and their relation to prostate cancer. [note 24]
3. All-cause mortality shows a significant negative association with
green salad consumption, meaning the more leafy green vegetables
consumed in the diet, the longer the life span. [note 25] This confirms
the importance of raw, natural plant foods, the loss of important
factors with cooking, and the protective effect of all the
health-giving nutrients they contain.
The conclusion one must make is that animal food consumption is more of
a risk factor for an early death than even cigarette smoking. [!!!!]
Of course, I am strongly against smoking, but a smoking, lifetime
vegetarian probably has a better chance to reach 75 years of age than a
nonsmoking, lifetime meat eater....
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Notes from the passage quoted:
[note 22]: Ruckner C, Hoffman J. "The Seventh-Day Adventist Diet." New
York: Random House, 1991.
[note 23]: Snowdon DA. Animal product consumption and mortality because
of all causes combined, coronary heart disease, stroke, diabetes, and
cancer in Seventh-Day Adventists. American Journal of Clinical
Nutrition 1988; 48: 739-48.
[note 24]: Rotkin ID. Studies in the epidemiology of prostate cancer:
Expanded sampling. Cancer Treatment Reports 1977;61:173-80.
[note 25]: Kahn, HA, Phillips RL, Snowdon DA, Choi W. Association
between reported diet and all causes of mortality: twenty-one-year
followup on 27,530 adult Seventh-Day Adventists. American Journal of
Epidemiology 1984:119:775-87.
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[Back to me]: Of course, these conclusions are only as sound as the
underlying studies that suggest them. Many studies have supported the
correlation of vegetarianism and longer life expectancy, but
correlation can easily masquerade as CAUSATION, and this is one of the
trickiest fallacies to avoid, even for experienced scientists (and
philosophers -- who really should know better!)
Correlation or causation, I plan to remain in the vegetarian camp as
more studies roll in (primarily for ethical reasons, but also for
health).
Namaste.
(By the way, please feel free to share this message with friends or
acquaintances who might find it interesting.)
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TC - 15 Dec 2006 21:27 GMT
Joel Fuhrman, "M.D", is a lunatic fringe vegan PETA mouthpiece. Not
exactly a scientist in anyones estimation.
TC
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Berkeley Brett - 15 Dec 2006 21:40 GMT
Dr. Fuhrman's website (takes awhile to load):
http://www.drfuhrman.com/
Dr. Fuhrman's blog:
http://www.diseaseproof.com/
If the emphasis here is animal rights, he sure hides it pretty well!
(And, of course, the studies he cites stand or fall on their own
merits, irrespective of him.)
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Brett
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> Joel Fuhrman, "M.D", is a lunatic fringe vegan PETA mouthpiece. Not
> exactly a scientist in anyones estimation.
>
> TC
TC - 15 Dec 2006 22:27 GMT
http://www.pcrm.org/magazine/gm03summer/gm03summer09.html
In his work as a PCRM member physician, Dr. Fuhrman has spoken at press
conferences, handled media interviews, and recorded public service
announcements on dietary links to heart disease and prostate cancer.
http://www.pcrm.org/news/bios/nutrition.html
PCRM "Experts"
Joel Fuhrman, M.D.
Board-certified family physician and author in private practice in
Flemington, N.J. Specializes in preventing and reversing disease
through nutritional and natural methods. Author of several best-selling
books, including Eat To Live, The Revolutionary Formula for Fast and
Sustained Weight Loss 2003. A frequent guest on radio and TV, including
the Discovery Channel, CNN, and Good Morning America. Offers an array
of supportive services, including a newsletter, menu planning, and an
Ask the Doctor forum at DrFuhrman.com.
http://www.animalsuffering.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2934
Some of those who offered their support and expertise in 2000
to PCRM http://www.pcrm.org
Donna Hurlock, M.D. ? Nancy Harrison, M.D. ? Jerry Vlasak, M.D. ?
Milton Mills, M.D. ? Murry Cohen, M.D. ? Jules Oaklander, D.O. ?
Ray Greek, M.D. ? Tom Barnard, M.D. ? Howard Klein, M.D. ? Sam
Jacobs, M.D. ? John McDougall, M.D. ? Don Sloan, M.D. ? Marj
Cramer, M.D. ? Caldwell Esselstyn, Jr., M.D. ? Lisa Dorfman, R.D.
? Joel Fuhrman, M.D. ----------------etc
TC
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Don Wiss - 16 Dec 2006 00:27 GMT
>I thought you all might find the following passage from the book
>"Fasting and Eating for Health" (ISBN: 031218719X /
>http://tinyurl.com/wx6zx ) by Joel Fuhrman, M.D., interesting. It
>2. Egg and meat consumption is strongly associated with all causes of
>mortality. Dairy product and milk consumption is associated with
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>epidemiologic investigations, including those done on dairy products
>and their relation to prostate cancer. [note 24]
Anti-dairy.
>3. All-cause mortality shows a significant negative association with
>green salad consumption, meaning the more leafy green vegetables
>consumed in the diet, the longer the life span. [note 25] This confirms
>the importance of raw, natural plant foods, the loss of important
>factors with cooking, and the protective effect of all the
>health-giving nutrients they contain.
Pro raw leafy greens.
>The conclusion one must make is that animal food consumption is more of
>a risk factor for an early death than even cigarette smoking. [!!!!]
I fail to see how he arrives at this conclusion. All I get out of it is
dairy is a negative and raw leafy greens are a positive. But nothing
showing that meat and eggs are bad.
Don <www.donwiss.com> (e-mail link at home page bottom).
CP - 16 Dec 2006 11:54 GMT
>>I thought you all might find the following passage from the book
>>"Fasting and Eating for Health" (ISBN: 031218719X /
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> dairy is a negative and raw leafy greens are a positive. But nothing
> showing that meat and eggs are bad.
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Check back at #2 above. The first sentence is:
>>2. Egg and meat consumption is strongly associated with all causes of
>>mortality....
It also goes on to mention dairy, but after that paragraph you only wrote
"Anti-dairy", without adding "anti-eggs" and "anti-meat".
Roy Starrin - 16 Dec 2006 14:58 GMT
>Hello:
>
>I thought you all might find the following passage from the book
>"Fasting and Eating for Health"
I have no ax to grind in this, but thought y'all might be interested
in this piece which I accessed through my friends at
www.VirginiaNewsSource.com
TOLD YA SO! STUDY: VEGETARIANS ARE SMARTER: Bright children are more
likely to reject meat when they grow up
http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/health_medical/article2076161.ece
Leonardo - 16 Dec 2006 16:21 GMT
> TOLD YA SO! STUDY: VEGETARIANS ARE SMARTER: Bright children are more
> likely to reject meat when they grow up
> http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/health_medical/article2076161.ece
They can't really be all that smart if they are forsaking meat. ;o)
What longevity really boils down to is having the right parents!
L
dorsy1943 - 17 Dec 2006 13:05 GMT
I am reading an interesting book called "Real Food" by Nina Planck.
While there are some glaring innacuracies, her point is that real food
is different from industrial food. If cows were just grazers instead
of being fed food that is not their natural diet, the meat would be
healthful. If chickens were pastured and allowed to eat grass and
bugs, their meat and eggs would be more healthful. And so on. There
are parts of the world where people eat the meat, milk and eggs from
animals that are pastured and they don't seem to have the heart disease
that we do. They provide food that is high in omega threes and low in
fat. Game animals are only about 4 per cent fat. Maybe the argument
shouldn't be about whether or not to eat meat, but whether or not to
eat industrial meat. If you are going to compare seventh day
adventists to meat eaters, why not find a culture that eats meat that
isn't agribusiness produced?
If you are raising a family, the cost of these "real" foods would be
prohibitive for most of us. Not to mention the problem of where to
even find them.
Dolores P.S. The references in her book depend on other books and
talks at conferences. There are far fewer references to peer reviewed
articles in important journals. But her premise does give one something
to think about.
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