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Orthomolecular Aproach to Schizophrenia

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drdach - 03 Dec 2006 13:27 GMT
Previous posts here have dealt with Dr. Abram Hoffer and orthomolecular
aproaches to schizophrenia.

This is a hypothetical case with history of schizophrenia, not on
statins or anti-psychotics.

Labs show: homocysteine of 22 (very high), extremely low LDL and very
low total cholesterol in serum. Very high HMG and high methyl malonate
in urine.

He had previously been on the B3 protocol and did well for three years,
then went off and had recurrent bouts of hospitalizations after that.

Unable to take the HOD test.

Neurological exam unremarkable.

Any thoughts?

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.nutrition/msg/b660a6eee0a547cb?hl=en&

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John H. - 04 Dec 2006 02:18 GMT
The low cholesterol is interesting. One of the problems with statins is
cognitive dysfunction, which may related to very low cholesterol or
loss of COQ10 function. That raises the question: how is their CoQ10
status because statins inhibit the rate limiting enzyme for it: HMG COA

The other issue is that an emerging view is that schizophrenia is a
loss of functional connectivity across regions of the brain, this may
relate to white matter densities. There have been studies on this in
schizophrenia so it may worth tracking that down. The significance of
this is that myelin is composed of approx 20'% cholesterol.

> Previous posts here have dealt with Dr. Abram Hoffer and orthomolecular
> aproaches to schizophrenia.
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drdach - 04 Dec 2006 10:55 GMT
Dear John,

Thanks for the reply,

Our hypothetical case is not on any statin drugs, although like you I
was struck by the similarities in the chemistries, and speculated on a
genetic HMG CoA enzyme deficit.

www.drdach.com

> The low cholesterol is interesting. One of the problems with statins is
> cognitive dysfunction, which may related to very low cholesterol or
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John H. - 04 Dec 2006 21:08 GMT
Yes, I know that patient was not on statins but was struck by some
interesting correlations.

One interesting piece I read was from Pollmacher. He demonstrated that
in a subset of schizophrenics there in neocortical inflammation prior
to the onset of psychosis. Another study I have read indicated a high
level of autoantibodies to hsp60 in the CSF of schizophrenics. This is
interesting because hsp 60 is a "danger signal" to the immune network.
At a stretch, what is of furthere interest here is:

Typical apds work by blocking DRD2 receptors, mainly located in the BG.
According to David Horrobin (excellent revew article on neuroimmune
effects in psychiatric illnesses) DRD2 occupation is the primary driver
of PLA2 synthesis. PLA2 is upstream of arachidonic acid, which has
significant inflammatory potential and if memory serves me well is also
involved in pge2 synthesis. Interestingly Horrobin cites one study
showing how an iv infusion of pge1 can quickly ameliorate depression.
Possibly because of a competitive interplay with pge 2 synthesis.
Interesting in light of the studies indicating that omega 3
supplementation, which promotes pge 1 synthesis, has proved beneficial
in depression and to a lesser extent in schizophrenia. You should dig
around for Andrew Stoll for some interesting work in that regard. He
has a text: The Omega 3 Connection, which summarises his findings.

At a stretch, the hsp 60 *might* be indicative of white matter
pathologies because oligodendrocytes constitutively express relatively
high levels of this "danger signal". I have also seen a study
indicating that rat ogs Toll receptors are constitutively expressed at
the cell surface. Now there is some research suggesting that hsp 60 can
act as "pseudo ligand" for Toll receptors, it seems that when
endocytosed hsp 60 sets of the second messengers involved. This is
partly why I suggested looking at white matter studies in relation to
schizophrenia might be useful.

It is also worth remembering that first apds had significant anti
histamine action ...

I'm not suggesting schizophrenia is the result of a dysfunctional
immune response. Although it is worth remembering that there is a faint
statistical association between sunlight during pregnancy and the
incidence of schizophrenia(you know, that vitamin D - MS thing). And
just week a report released indicated very high rates of coleiac
disease in schizophrenics and "leaky gut syndrome" definitely gets a
systemic inflammatory response on the go, thereby paving the way for
god knows all sorts of potential problems down the track.

My pont is this: in some cases a direct immune involvement could be
implicated but I suspect that mostly the immune abnormalities are
secondary phenomena.

All this is confounded by my view that schizophrenia as currently
diagnosed represents a possible number aetiologies and conditions and
so we are confronted with confusing data.

I do wish the psychiatric community would pay more attention to the
work of Hoffer, Horrobin, and Stoll. Sadly, the community seems wedded
to the "it's all above the neck" type of thinking and seem to forget
that the brain exists in a body. This bias is actually a ghost of
dualism. But don't tell them that, bods get very upset when you accuse
them of that ...

Hope this helps,

John.
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drdach - 05 Dec 2006 12:30 GMT
> Yes, I know that patient was not on statins but was struck by some
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Thanks for your help. Tough case to crack.

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allr1@webtv.net - 07 Dec 2006 13:52 GMT
I have dealt with some minor (thankfully) inflammatory problems that are
either exacerbated or alleviated by what I eat.
(a nutritional imbalance may be the cause)

I find that foods, and nutrients, which lower cholesterol (and there are
MANY) tend to be pro-inflammatory. (haven't had my cholesterol levels
checked, but I'd bet it's probably low)

I also seem to be in a constant anti-histamine state. Whenever I eat
something that leads to
histamine release, (stuffed or running nose) I
stop getting pro-inflammatory symptoms.

Anyone know what nutrients enable or allow histamine to be released,
(copper & Histidine are the 2 I know of) or what might cause me
to be in a constant anti-histamine state. (like
being too alkaline/acidic, too oxidized, etc)
 
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