I just got some of this and took a 500MG softgel this morning. I've
felt kinda cloudy for a large part of the day. Is this normal? Does it
take some getting used to? Seems that I'm a bit sensitive to
cholinergic drugs in general. Considering I have a pretty atrocious
memory, I thought they would be ideal!
Thanks.
-<[JD]>-
"I would never do crack... I would never do a drug named
after a part of my own a.s, okay?" - Denis Leary.
chatw@my-deja.com - 28 Nov 2006 13:55 GMT
> I just got some of this and took a 500MG softgel this morning. I've
> felt kinda cloudy for a large part of the day. Is this normal? Does it
I do great with it, but everybody is a little different...blame it on
that genome copy thang, ya' know...
Paul Antonik Wakfer - 28 Nov 2006 21:11 GMT
> I just got some of this and took a 500MG softgel this morning. I've
> felt kinda cloudy for a large part of the day. Is this normal? Does it
> take some getting used to? Seems that I'm a bit sensitive to
> cholinergic drugs in general. Considering I have a pretty atrocious
> memory, I thought they would be ideal!
Any chemical that is completely new to your body can have major and
sometimes negative effects when first taken at full strength (a more
normal dosage of PS is 100 mg).
This is why I always suggest to people that they start with about 1/8
of their target dosage and ramp up to the full dosage by doubling the
daily dosage every 2 weeks.
The two weeks gives you enough time to both ascertain the effects it is
having (both negative and positive) and for your body to get used to
the dosage. If the negative effects do not disappear by the end of the
two weeks then you should reduce the dosage until they disappear and
use that as you chronic dosage, only trying to increase every so often
if the positive effects appear to have disappeared.
Doctor's do not suggest ramping up medications in this manner only
because most of the time what they prescribe is needed urgently and
acutely for some pathology, so that the negative side effects are far
less important than stopping the pathology.
Unfortunately with softgels, spliting into a smaller dose is hard to
do. All that I can suggest is that you prick the softgel, take a little
out of it and keep the rest in the frig until taking the last of it,
before starting with another softgel.
Finally, PS is technically not a cholinergic chemical, since it
contains no choline. However, it does have positive effects on neuronal
membrane fluidity, as I recall.
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SDer - 29 Nov 2006 04:35 GMT
> Any chemical that is completely new to your body can have major and
> sometimes negative effects when first taken at full strength (a more
> normal dosage of PS is 100 mg).
The 500mg softgel usually contains 100mg of PS.
Juhana Harju - 29 Nov 2006 06:26 GMT
:: I just got some of this and took a 500MG softgel this morning. I've
:: felt kinda cloudy for a large part of the day. Is this normal? Does
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: sometimes negative effects when first taken at full strength (a more
: normal dosage of PS is 100 mg).
500 mg is not that high dosage after all. Mackerel is a natural source of
phosphatidylserine and it contains 480 mg in 100 grams.
http://www.leci-ps.com/bioactives/html/e/products/brands/lecips/phosphat_dietary.htm

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Susan - 28 Nov 2006 21:22 GMT
> I just got some of this and took a 500MG softgel this morning. I've
> felt kinda cloudy for a large part of the day. Is this normal? Does it
> take some getting used to? Seems that I'm a bit sensitive to
> cholinergic drugs in general. Considering I have a pretty atrocious
> memory, I thought they would be ideal!
I don't know what your other medical conditions are or what other meds
you're on, but PS can lower your cortisol. If you're already being
adrenally suppressed by anything else (medication or medical condition
or aging), PS could be lowering your cortisol to a less than desirable
level.
This is just one possibility among what I'm sure are many.
Susan
SDer - 29 Nov 2006 04:39 GMT
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> Susan
It does lower cortisol, but I doubt that could happen with one softgel. It
takes a few weeks to build up, and usually cortisol is something that needs
to get lowered anyway.
If low cortisol levels is the actual problem, licorice can up it, though
this can make you very nervous.
Susan - 29 Nov 2006 15:26 GMT
> It does lower cortisol, but I doubt that could happen with one softgel. It
> takes a few weeks to build up, and usually cortisol is something that needs
> to get lowered anyway.
I don't beleive cortisol is usually in need of lowering, it's often
suppressed in folks with high insulinogenic nutrition or certain meds or
both.
> If low cortisol levels is the actual problem, licorice can up it, though
> this can make you very nervous.
Licorice sisomething to be avoided in such doses. It can cause
hypokalemia and even death, even in small daily amounts over time.
There are other supplements, such as pantethine and vitamin C, along
with exercise that can lower cortisol.
Susan
Darwin - 04 Dec 2006 05:38 GMT
> I just got some of this and took a 500MG softgel this morning. I've
> felt kinda cloudy for a large part of the day. Is this normal? Does it
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> "I would never do crack... I would never do a drug named
> after a part of my own a.s, okay?" - Denis Leary.
Same here. Pro-cholinergic substances in general seem to aggravate
my dysthymia. I've learned to avoid them. Ironically, I too have a lousy
memory.
Bob Arnold - 07 Dec 2006 04:02 GMT
> I just got some of this and took a 500MG softgel this morning. I've
> felt kinda cloudy for a large part of the day. Is this normal? Does it
> take some getting used to? Seems that I'm a bit sensitive to
> cholinergic drugs in general. Considering I have a pretty atrocious
> memory, I thought they would be ideal!
The soy based PS that you can buy is worthless. Matti has posted on this:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.nutrition/msg/ea22dfeb5d4ab604
Your cloudy feeling had nothing to do with any cholinergic effect. It's
probably the weather.
Bob