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Medical Forum / General / Nutrition / November 2006What the f is a "lifestyle food cult"?
Other than a cutesy catch phrase used by newsgroup industry trolls? But honestly.... if someone could explain to me what that is supposed to mean, I would appreciate it. Because from a simply liguistic point of view, it appears to be a nonsensical phrase. Now a "food lifestyle cult" makes linguistic sense. Or a "cultist food lifestyle". But "lifestyle food cult"? It just makes no sense. TC The new life style in vogue today is to eat natuarl organically grown foods, There is almost a cult like following for the oragnic foods. The phrase may not make sense, but is getting wide acceptance as is obvious from your post. Yogi www.IndiaCurry.com > The new life style in vogue today is to eat natuarl organically grown > foods, There is almost a cult like following for the oragnic foods. The > phrase may not make sense, but is getting wide acceptance as is obvious > from your post. > Yogi > www.IndiaCurry.com If that is the case, then I can categorically deny being part of this "movement". I've never insisted on food being organic, although theoretically organic would be a plus. I've always maintained that overly processed and refined foods are unhealthy. Food is grown, not manufactured. Food ought to be as fresh as possible. An organically grown food item that has been exposed to heat in transit and storage and has sat on a grocers shelf for weeks has lost much of its nutritional values, especially the water soluble vitamin content. Refined foods have lost most of its nutritional value almost by definition. Sugar, high fructose corn syrup, soy lecithin, whey protein powder, white wheat flour, all no longer contain not much food value. Margarine, canola oils, etc., were never food to begin with. Eating these fake oils is one massive human food experiment. Same with soybean convert to soy protein and soy juice. Gentically modified foods is a massive game of russian roulette with the food industry holding the gun. Which GM "magic bullet" will kill thousands first. And will we know about it when it happens? I say we stick to foods that we've thrived on for millions of years. If you want to net your families health on fake crap manufactured foods, go for it, free country and all. But I'd be careful of any food industry propaganda. TC > > The new life style in vogue today is to eat natuarl organically grown > > foods, There is almost a cult like following for the oragnic foods. The > > phrase may not make sense, but is getting wide acceptance as is obvious > > from your post. > > Yogi > > www.IndiaCurry.com > If that is the case, then I can categorically deny being part of this > "movement". That's very odd. Why do you state that? What are you against? 1) Foods grown without pesticides. 2) Using naturally healthy soils 3) Use of [generally] smaller farms 4) Better for the environment 5) Or is it something else? > I've never insisted on food being organic, although theoretically organic would be a plus. I support organic every chance I get. I think it sends a wake-up call/reminder to food growers. > I've always maintained that overly processed and refined foods are > unhealthy. Food is grown, not manufactured. Food ought to be as fresh > as possible. An organically grown food item that has been exposed to > heat in transit and storage and has sat on a grocers shelf for weeks > has lost much of its nutritional values, especially the water soluble > vitamin content. And foods grown conventionally (I hate that term. It should be "chemically.") are going to fare better in transport? The only alternative is locally grown, and I love that too, but your choices are often limited and there's no guarantee on how, or where, things were grown. > Refined foods have lost most of its nutritional value almost by > definition. Sugar, high fructose corn syrup, soy lecithin, whey protein > powder, white wheat flour, all no longer contain not much food value. Agreed. The body builders love and swear by the whey protein though. > Margarine, canola oils, etc., were never food to begin with. Eating > these fake oils is one massive human food experiment. I've read the internet "stuff" on canola, but until I read something from a legit source I'll continue to use it. > Same with soybean convert to soy protein and soy juice. I don't see it being much different from moo milk. > Gentically modified foods is a > massive game of russian roulette with the food industry holding the > gun. Which GM "magic bullet" will kill thousands first. And will we > know about it when it happens? > I say we stick to foods that we've thrived on for millions of years. Have we been thriving on cow milk products for millions of years? > If > you want to net your families health on fake crap manufactured foods, > go for it, free country and all. But I'd be careful of any food > industry propaganda. I'm very curious as to what you eat every day. Please post a sample of an average day for you. As I wait to see yours, here's mine from today. Breakfast: 3-egg (using "EB" brand eggs) omlete w/yellow, red, green peppers, mushrooms, sesame seeds, black pepper, red chili peppers, sea salt, and just a touch of cheddar cheese, some paparika, salsa ("Sadie Sauce") and a bunch of fresh parsley tossed on top. On the side: Organic black beans straight from the can, handful of almonds, a few dried apricots and sour cherries, leftover baked potato slices w/dab of yogurt. Drink: "Simply Orange" brand juice (high pulp, in a plastic bottle) blended with a couple handfuls of fresh spinich. (This frothy green drink is sublime!) --- Lunch: Amy's brand lentil soup, a fresh pomegranate and a slice of my wife's home-made apple pie (her pie has whole-wheat crust, fresh apples and uses Rapadura sugar. It's just phenomenal!) Drink: Glass of soy milk --- Snack: pumpkin seeds, green tea Dinner: A hamburger using organic, range-free ground beef on two slices of Pepperidge Farms 100% whole wheat bread, mustard & ketchup, romaine lettuce, handful of cherry tomatos, steamed asparagus and a baked sweet potato. Drink: glass of cow milk -- Snack: two squares of Lindt 85% dark chocolate bar & cup of peppermint tea Patrick > > > The new life style in vogue today is to eat natuarl organically grown > > > foods, There is almost a cult like following for the oragnic foods. The [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > 4) Better for the environment > 5) Or is it something else? Organic designation is not necessarily a guarantee that food is healthy. Organically grown soybeans are still not real food. I support the sentiment but the practice of organic farming and especially organic certification is far from foolproof. > > I've never insisted on food being organic, although theoretically organic would be a plus. > > I support organic every chance I get. I think it sends a wake-up > call/reminder to food growers. And I applaud the effort. I just don't rely on organic designation to be accurate in all cases. > > I've always maintained that overly processed and refined foods are > > unhealthy. Food is grown, not manufactured. Food ought to be as fresh [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > often limited and there's no guarantee on how, or where, things were > grown. Unless you grow your own produce. Not hard to do. A couple of hundred square feet of garden space can add a lot of excellent nutrition to your annual consumption. > > Refined foods have lost most of its nutritional value almost by > > definition. Sugar, high fructose corn syrup, soy lecithin, whey protein [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > The body builders love and swear by the whey protein though. I wouldn't rely on them for health advice. > > Margarine, canola oils, etc., were never food to begin with. Eating > > these fake oils is one massive human food experiment. > > I've read the internet "stuff" on canola, but until I read something > from a legit source I'll continue to use it. It is one of the most genetically modified crops around. Albeit from selective breeding rather than in vitro. And it is, by far, the most processed of all vegetable fats. > > Same with soybean convert to soy protein and soy juice. > > I don't see it being much different from moo milk. Soy was only traditionally eaten as a fermented condiment and in small amounts. More than 60% of the soy grown is GM and there is no way to determine whether what you buy is GM or not. Soy juice contains phyto-TOXINS and PHYTO-estrogens and high levels of some heavy metals. It has been known to create thyroid disorders. And it has been known to contain high amounts of fluoride. I would not touch soy with a ten foot pole. > > Gentically modified foods is a > > massive game of russian roulette with the food industry holding the [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Have we been thriving on cow milk products for millions of years? At least since they were domesticated. And then their is goat milk and others which we have thrived on for thousands, if not tens of thousands, or hundreds of thousands of years. Real, fresh, full-fat, unpasteurized, un-homogenozed milk is a very healthy component of nutrition. > > If > > you want to net your families health on fake crap manufactured foods, [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > > Patrick breakfast. 2 to 3 real eggs, fried over-easy or nearly hardboiled or poached. couple of pieces of bacon and/or sausage. one piece rye bread toast with lots of butter. tea with no sugar & a bit of whole milk. Lunch. may be home-made beef bologna sandwich on rye bread. or made-from-scratch chicken soup. could be home-made chili. whatever I chose to make. maybe an omelet wirh real eggs sauteed in butter. maybe roast chicken or roast beef leftovers. a boiled dinner similar to irish boiled dinner. supper. may be chicken, pork, beef, seafood, prepared in any of a variety of ways. I get my meat from a fellow who gets it directly from the local farmers. or sometimes I'll buy directly from the producer myself. always fresh veggies. fresh herbs from my garden. moderate amounts potatoes mashed in rich cream and butter, etc. Ribs, wings, steaks, chops, whole chickens, real bacon, reals pork sausage. I saute foods in copious amounts of pork fat (lard) or butter, or sometimes extra virgin olive oil. Pork fat rules, man. snacks- home made salsa and corn chips, kielbasa sausage, ham & egg on 1/2 corn fajita, any of a variety of cheeses (full fat), pickles, etc Real full fat ice CREAM, the real deal. Nothing from a box. nothing with a food label. All fresh and all home-made or nearly so. No added sugars, no margarine, no shortening, NO SOY, no high fructose corn syrup softdrinks, no wheat flour, no RTE cereals, no pasta, no white bread, no canola oil, no McDonalds. I've lost 20 lbs and the wife over 40 lbs. eating this way and my families prescriptions went from over $1000 per year to ZERO dollars per year. From a dozen medical visits to virtually zero visits. I've never felt better, never had so much energy and no longer suffer from IBS and anxiety/depression as well as infections and colds. How sweet it is to be realy healthy. My cholesterol and blood sugars are bang on normal. TC > > > If that is the case, then I can categorically deny being part of this > > > "movement". > > That's very odd. Why do you state that? What are you against? > > 1) Foods grown without pesticides. > > 2) Using naturally healthy soils > > 3) Use of [generally] smaller farms > > 4) Better for the environment > > 5) Or is it something else? > Organic designation is not necessarily a guarantee that food is > healthy. Organically grown soybeans are still not real food. Some interesting reading. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soybeans > I support the sentiment but the practice of organic farming and > especially organic certification is far from foolproof. But still, you must admit, it's lightyears better than chemically grown. > > > I've never insisted on food being organic, although theoretically organic would be a plus. > > I support organic every chance I get. I think it sends a wake-up > > call/reminder to food growers. > And I applaud the effort. I just don't rely on organic designation to > be accurate in all cases. Nothing is perfect, but in this case the principal is very sound. It's just up to enforcement. > > > I've always maintained that overly processed and refined foods are > > > unhealthy. Food is grown, not manufactured. Food ought to be as fresh > > > as possible. An organically grown food item that has been exposed to > > > heat in transit and storage and has sat on a grocers shelf for weeks > > > has lost much of its nutritional values, especially the water soluble > > > vitamin content. > > And foods grown conventionally (I hate that term. It should be > > "chemically.") are going to fare better in transport? The only > > alternative is locally grown, and I love that too, but your choices are > > often limited and there's no guarantee on how, or where, things were > > grown. > Unless you grow your own produce. Not hard to do. A couple of hundred > square feet of garden space can add a lot of excellent nutrition to > your annual consumption. And I applaude that! Gardening is very cool! (I have a few blueberry bushes in my backyard.) However, that isn't a possibility for many people. And even when it is, growing seasons are short in the north, yields can be poor due to weather, animals and insects acan eat significant quanities, and then there's the storage needed for the produce, choices are still limited, etc. But yeah, if you can grow it cool, next is local markets and then there's quicker and easier organics in your local supermarket. > > > Refined foods have lost most of its nutritional value almost by > > > definition. Sugar, high fructose corn syrup, soy lecithin, whey protein > > > powder, white wheat flour, all no longer contain not much food value. > > Agreed. > > The body builders love and swear by the whey protein though. > I wouldn't rely on them for health advice. Some of their advice is sound, but I trust more of the advice coming from athletes and their trainers. > > > Margarine, canola oils, etc., were never food to begin with. Eating > > > these fake oils is one massive human food experiment. > > I've read the internet "stuff" on canola, but until I read something > > from a legit source I'll continue to use it. > It is one of the most genetically modified crops around. Albeit from > selective breeding rather than in vitro. And it is, by far, the most > processed of all vegetable fats. Another viewpoint. http://www.snopes.com/medical/toxins/canola.asp > > > Same with soybean convert to soy protein and soy juice. > > I don't see it being much different from moo milk. > Soy was only traditionally eaten as a fermented condiment and in small > amounts. More than 60% of the soy grown is GM and there is no way to > determine whether what you buy is GM or not. Soy juice contains > phyto-TOXINS and PHYTO-estrogens and high levels of some heavy metals. > It has been known to create thyroid disorders. And it has been known to > contain high amounts of fluoride. And another... http://www.snopes.com/medical/toxins/soya.asp > I would not touch soy with a ten foot pole. Moderation... > > > Gentically modified foods is a > > > massive game of russian roulette with the food industry holding the > > > gun. Which GM "magic bullet" will kill thousands first. And will we > > > know about it when it happens? > > > I say we stick to foods that we've thrived on for millions of years. > > Have we been thriving on cow milk products for millions of years? > At least since they were domesticated. And then their is goat milk and > others which we have thrived on for thousands, if not tens of > thousands, or hundreds of thousands of years. Real, fresh, full-fat, > unpasteurized, un-homogenozed milk is a very healthy component of > nutrition. It's thousands -- less than 10. And has been consumed for less time than wheat. > > > If > > > you want to net your families health on fake crap manufactured foods, > > > go for it, free country and all. But I'd be careful of any food > > > industry propaganda. > > I'm very curious as to what you eat every day. Please post a sample of > > an average day for you. > > As I wait to see yours, here's mine from today. > > Breakfast: > > 3-egg (using "EB" brand eggs) omlete w/yellow, red, green peppers, [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > Snack: two squares of Lindt 85% dark chocolate bar & cup of peppermint > > tea > breakfast. 2 to 3 real eggs, fried over-easy or nearly hardboiled or > poached. couple of pieces of bacon and/or sausage. one piece rye bread > toast with lots of butter. tea with no sugar & a bit of whole milk. Where do you get your rye bread? > Lunch. may be home-made beef bologna sandwich on rye bread. or > made-from-scratch chicken soup. Are there noodles in your soup? If so, what type? > could be home-made chili. whatever I > chose to make. maybe an omelet wirh real eggs sauteed in butter. maybe > roast chicken or roast beef leftovers. a boiled dinner similar to irish > boiled dinner. > supper. may be chicken, pork, beef, seafood, prepared in any of a > variety of ways. I get my meat from a fellow who gets it directly from > the local farmers. or sometimes I'll buy directly from the producer > myself. All of your meat is purchased from them? What sort of prices are you paying? How much per pound? > always fresh veggies. fresh herbs from my garden. moderate > amounts potatoes mashed in rich cream and butter, etc. Do you eat sweet potatos? They're awesome baked! > Ribs, wings, > steaks, chops, whole chickens, real bacon, reals pork sausage. I saute > foods in copious amounts of pork fat (lard) or butter, or sometimes > extra virgin olive oil. Pork fat rules, man. > snacks- home made salsa and corn chips, kielbasa sausage, ham & egg on > 1/2 corn fajita, any of a variety of cheeses (full fat), pickles, etc > Real full fat ice CREAM, the real deal. My issue is for all the fat you're eating you could be eating eat TONS more fruits and veggies. (In volume I probably eat 5 times more than you do. And beside added muscle mass, I haven't gained a pound since high school 20+ years ago.) Let me suggust you read "The Color Code" -- ISBN # 0-7868-6721-3. Please check it out... we all can never learn enough/see enough view points. > Nothing from a box. nothing with a food label. All fresh and all > home-made or nearly so. We don't have that sort of extra time, but we bake and cook a lot. The box stuff we buy I make sure it has a short list of ingrediants. > No added sugars, I love honey & maple syrup! > no margarine, no shortening, NO SOY, no high fructose > corn syrup softdrinks, I haven't had a softdrink in 20 years. > no wheat flour, no RTE cereals, no pasta, I love my whole grains! I regularly eat 7-8 different types -- buckwheat (technically not one, but..), spelt, amarath, wheat, rice, corn, quinoa, oats, barley. > no white bread, no canola oil, no McDonalds. I hate McDonalds, Burger King, KFC, etc. Haven't eaten in one in 20+ years. > I've lost 20 lbs and the wife over 40 lbs. eating this way and my > families prescriptions went from over $1000 per year to ZERO dollars [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > it is to be realy healthy. My cholesterol and blood sugars are bang on > normal. Same deal here. I can do things, that genetically I shouldn't be able to do. I was never an athlete growing up, but now at 43 I can/do kick the crap out of folks half my age in strength and endurance events. If only I had eaten this way growing up! Patrick >> I support organic every chance I get. I think it sends a wake-up >> call/reminder to food growers. > >And I applaud the effort. I just don't rely on organic designation to >be accurate in all cases. Particularly AFTER the Feds massage and RE-define what Organic really means, accomodating Corporate America as the move us along... (little dawgies...) Ned One very clear example I can think of is: Veganism! Notice I make NO value judgement here; but I think it is an excellent example, don't you? Ned > One very clear example I can > think of is: Veganism! [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Ned Very astute observation. They advocate a complete *lifestyle* ie. changing their daily behaviors and practices to save the animals in every way possible, it is about *food*, and they approach it with a *cult*-like fanaticism. TC |
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