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Medical Forum / General / Nutrition / October 2006More Exercise Not Enough to Cut Weight
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601102&sid=aLAPybnm57bo&refer=uk More Exercise Not Enough to Cut Youngsters' Weight, Study Finds By Frances Schwartzkopff Oct. 6 (Bloomberg) -- Special exercise classes for children in day care won't alone prevent obesity, and changes in diet and behaviour, including those of parents, probably are needed, according to a study in today's British Medical Journal. The research found little change in the body mass index of 231 4-year-olds after they had participated in 30-minute exercise classes three times a week for six months. Parents also received educational material. Body mass index, which is calculated from a person's weight and height, is an indirect method for measuring body fat. ``Successful interventions to prevent obesity in early childhood may require changes not just at nursery, school and home but in the wider environment,'' the study's authors concluded. ``Further research is needed to identify successful and sustainable interventions for prevention of obesity and promotion of physical activity in young children.'' The number of overweight and obese children is growing worldwide, and so too are their health problems, experts say. Overweight children face a variety of issues, including high blood pressure, high cholesterol and high insulin levels. These can follow them into adulthood, leading to heart disease and diabetes. The World Health Organization estimates at least 20 million children under the age of 5 are overweight, and more than 1.6 billion adults. ``It's crucial to encourage good exercise habits from an early age,'' said Mike Knapton, director of Prevention and Care at the British Heart Foundation in a prepared statement. ``What this study does reinforce is that we need to try and get the whole package right from the earliest years, not just one lifestyle aspect.'' The study found the classes improved the children's motor skills. This, the study said, ``might foster an increase in activity levels in the future by increasing confidence or ability or both, in children to carry out physical activity and may have direct effects on body fat content in the long term.'' The lack of change in the children's body mass may have resulted from the exercise classes being an ``inadequate dose'' of activity, and from the fact that a variety of factors affect body mass, the study said. It also said more parent involvement might have reduced the children's weight. The study involved children at 36 day care centers in Glasgow, Scotland, of whom 250 were in a control group that didn't have special exercise classes. Sixty-two percent of those in the exercise classes were overweight, and 61 percent in the control group were overweight. ********** What does this say about all the experts who insist that the main reason for obesity in the first place is lack of exercise? The problem is in the massive amounts of refined carbs in the diet. If exercise is the answer, then it would have to be constant day-long, every day physcial exertion and not just casual exercise. Would it not be easier to just cuts the carbs in the first place? TC >http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601102&sid=aLAPybnm57bo&refer=uk > [quoted text clipped - 55 lines] >What does this say about all the experts who insist that the main >reason for obesity in the first place is lack of exercise? Its part of the reason >The problem is in the massive amounts of refined carbs in the diet. I have been on that diet before a long time ago where thats all I hate and I was never thinner. Now that I eat a healthier diet of whole grains, fruit, nuts etc I have gained a little weight but still have a BMI of 20. However when I go on vacation and don't exercise and eat a lot of red meat, dairy, etc I quickly gain 10 or 15 pounds and then lose it when I go back to a healthier diet and lifestyle. > If exercise is the answer, then it would have to be constant day-long, every day >physcial exertion and not just casual exercise. About 7 miles or 40 minutes 3 or 4 times a week. Has to be running though, biking takes too long to get any benefit and walking/gardening diddling around in the backyard does nothing. Running and also builds bone density in response to your other stupid post. Lack of exercise has more impact on bone density that drinking pop as does eating lots of red meat and pissing all that protein and calcium out. >Would it not be easier to just cuts the carbs in the first place? > >TC Yeah wouldn't life be much simpler and easier if we could just blame all disease on carbs. > http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601102&sid=aLAPybnm57bo&refer=uk > What does this say about all the experts who insist that the main > reason for obesity in the first place is lack of exercise? The problem [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Would it not be easier to just cuts the carbs in the first place? When will you ever learn, you need to do both. You can never go wrong cutting cheap carbs but the body was not meant to sit on the couch doing nothing. It's all about balance but you're so brain dead to exercise that you can't see the forest for the trees. Damn, you get old with the same old claptrap!! -DF > > http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601102&sid=aLAPybnm57bo&refer=uk > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > -DF errrr.... this study specifically says that exercise really doesn't help all that much. You seem to have missed that little point in your earnestness to attack me personally. You know that old thing about eating less and exercising more? Well the eating less part, ie. cut calories, fails in more than 95% of cases. And now we know that the "exercise more" part (which is intended to "burn" calories), well it does not work either. So the whole calorie balance thing is a failure from both ends, both the eating less and the exercising more. Therefore we must investigate alternate methods of weight control. And the only two ways left is to severely and unreasonably starve yourself of all food (which will make you thinner and sicker) or the more reasonable approach which is to cut refined and high-GI carbs from the diet and replace them with healthy fresh whole foods which happen to be low carb and full of nutrients. You make the call for yourself. I will eat copious amounts of healthy animal fats and proteins and low carb whole fresh produce chock full of nutrition. I've been doing that for over 5 years and have easily maintained my weight and significantly improved my health. TC > You know that old thing about eating less and exercising more? Well > the > eating less part, ie. cut calories, fails in more than 95% of cases. > And now we know that the "exercise more" part (which is intended to > "burn" calories), well it does not work either. Pure horse sh.t. Every study where a persons caloric input and weight was controlled, the weight came off like the skivvies of a nympho in heat. It's when you ask people what the ate and count the calories that things get hazy. > So the whole calorie balance thing is a failure from both ends, both > the eating less and the exercising more. Spoken by the lard a.s who wants to sit on his a.s and breathe hard watching porno movies for exercise. > You make the call for yourself. I will eat copious amounts of healthy > animal fats and proteins and low carb whole fresh produce chock full > of > nutrition. I've been doing that for over 5 years and have easily > maintained my weight and significantly improved my health. Yawn, eat a balanced diet (less cheap sugar crap) and do some exercise and you will weigh less AND be healthier. -DF > > You know that old thing about eating less and exercising more? Well > > the [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > -DF You know what? You are an a.shole. Not to mention too frikkin dense to see the forest thru the trees. If you fail to see the truth that is laid out in front of you, then you are an idiot. So take your abusive ad hominem and go f**k yourself. TC > You know what? You are an a.shole. Not to mention too frikkin dense to > see the forest thru the trees. If you fail to see the truth that is > laid out in front of you, then you are an idiot. So take your abusive > ad hominem and go f**k yourself. Don't ya just hate it when facts get in the way of your paranoiac BS! So doofus tell me that the literally thousands of people that show up across the country at local 5k races(to run or walk) or even marathons (like 40,000 in NYC, or 20,000 in Boston, etc etc)) are all low carb geeks or some how defy your exercise does not help you lose weight position? Take a gander at the kids in High School that go out for soccer, field hockey, track, cross country - they are not the obese kids. Are they all low carb addicts that never have a sandwich on white bread? Even the jocks eat the sh.t processed food the school provides and still stay thin. If you pulled your head out of your posterior and looked around at those that add exercise to their daily lives and looked at their overall health and weight you would see the forest for the trees. It's those people that don't have any physical problem and don't get off their a.ses to do some exercise that have resort to fad diets to control weight and even those usually sh.t the bed after about a year. The fact the you spout exercise does help control weigh tells me you are myopic and a disgrace to the current health issue. You mislead and give people false with ignorant advice like exercise does not work. You are as factually motivated and shallow as Bush and we both know that man is a complete moron. -DF >> You know what? You are an a.shole. Not to mention too frikkin dense to >> see the forest thru the trees. If you fail to see the truth that is [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > >-DF The body adapts to the environment. If the environment is a sofa 24 hours a day you will have plenty of flab to fill in the cracks of the sofa cushions. Young people are thinner because they get more physical activity. Though this has begun to change as kids no longer bike or walk anywhere due to paranoid parents and their convoluted subdivisions off of busy 2 lane highways that pass for neighborhoods. Once people get married have kids and sit in an office all day and drive everywhere things start to go down hill rapidly. Even if you manage to stay thin with no physical activity you are still fat as there will not be an once of muscle tone on your body. Of course muscle tone will also raise metabolism. I only date runners or other athletes because I have gotten so used to those sexy toned bodies. There are no short cuts and exercise is key. Or does TC think you can become educated by not reading but by simply eating pork rinds, sausage, beef jerky, lard, bacon, etc. > I only date runners or > other athletes because I have gotten so used to those sexy toned > bodies. Have ingredients - will travel! :) > There are no short cuts and exercise is key. Or does TC think you can > become educated by not reading but by simply eating pork rinds, > sausage, beef jerky, lard, bacon, etc. Some day he will take a basic anotomy course and discover that little pump in center of the chest while called an organ is in fact one big set of muscles - aka the heart. Like any muscle be it leg, arm etc., it needs exercise else we atrophy. As corny yet truthful as the adage is - "use it or lose it." The body is one big pile of muscles and tendons and not just a mouth for shoveling sausage and bacon. Frankly, the most important question one should ask themselves when they awake each day - when will I do my exercise, not how shall I fry my bacon. This isn't an option but a must, just like going to work or taking a leak. Reserve a piece of each day as best you can for exercise. After a while it becomes the driving force and lowers the constant mental urge to focus on food. You start thinking healthy anbd I don't mean TC's fad diet. I eat mostly grains, fruits and vegetables with an occasional hunk of meat or fish and nice piece of overly processed white bread. During the summer months when my exercise is at it's highest and my caloric input is high, I tend to almost go vegetarian, simply because they are freshest, taste great and what one's body needs/craves - carbs. TC has these anti-vegetarian notions to show how far out to lunch he is. We have performance labs whose entire function is to find the best fuel to power athletes before, during and after exercise and it's primarily carbs(about 65%) and rest split between fat and protein. When the best of the best such as a Lance Armstrong need to get the maximum healthy horsepower they use carbs. Some as we know try a little Balco cocktail but that's a different topic. You don't see them eating as TC suggests,they would laugh in his face. Even the amateur person needs the same proportion. I hate anecdotes but just to prove a point. The six time winner of Western States 100 mile race, 2 time winner the Badwater 135 mile race and recent winner of the Spartathon 246 km race was won by a bloody vegan. With TC's notions on carbs he should weight 400 pounds. Psst , he is thin and his doc says unbelievably healthy. Then again maybe someone was smuggling bacon bits and pork rinds to him during the races. TC is like trying to get balanced news by watching FOX TV. He is literally paranoid and will not look outside his self imposed box and when he does, he concludes they are on the take. Isn't that a nice position, those that disagree are liars and on the take. He is one eerie dude. -DF <snip> Spot on, Doug! > We have performance labs whose entire function is to find the best fuel > to power athletes before, during and after exercise Cool stuff! Tell me more. > and it's primarily > carbs(about 65%) and rest split between fat and protein. When the best [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Then again maybe someone was smuggling bacon bits and pork rinds to him > during the races. I see it and do it the same way. I find lots of complex carbs, some good fats and lean protein is THE fuel. And I keep the fuel fresh with a constant variety -- blueberries, buffalo, sweet potatos, asparagus, kiwi, salmon, pomegranate, quinoa, ostrich, cauliflower, white tea, star fruit, spelt, black beans, xtra-virgin olive oil, romaine lettuce, Brazil nuts, 85% dark chocolate (Lindt makes the best!), red delicious apples, etc. This stuff powers my workouts and I can easily go over 2 hours in the gym if I don't keep an eye on the clock. > TC is like trying to get balanced news by watching FOX TV. He is > literally paranoid and will not look outside his self imposed box and > when he does, he concludes they are on the take. Isn't that a nice > position, those that disagree are liars and on the take. He is one > eerie dude. Exactly! Patrick 5' 9" 165-170, 30.5 waist, 43 > <snip> > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > I see it and do it the same way. I find lots of complex carbs, some What do you mean by complex carbs. Define that term so we can see if you actually know what complex carbs are. Let's see if you know anything about carbs,' TC > good fats and lean protein is THE fuel. And I keep the fuel fresh with > a constant variety -- blueberries, buffalo, sweet potatos, asparagus, [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > Patrick > 5' 9" 165-170, 30.5 waist, 43 > > Spot on, Doug! > > > We have performance labs whose entire function is to find the best fuel > > > to power athletes before, during and after exercise > > Cool stuff! Tell me more. > > > and it's primarily > > > carbs(about 65%) and rest split between fat and protein. When the best [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > > Then again maybe someone was smuggling bacon bits and pork rinds to him > > > during the races. > > I see it and do it the same way. I find lots of complex carbs, some > What do you mean by complex carbs. Define that term so we can see if > you actually know what complex carbs are. Let's see if you know > anything about carbs,' lol Let me remind you that I'm connected to the internet just like you. Even if I didn't know the answer, how hard do you think it is to type in "complex carb" in a Google search, click on a site of two, and then cut and paste some info together? Let me suggest you stop asking dumb questions and instead use the time to shave some [much] needed inches off that waist line of yours... perhaps by [physically} running to the store and buying some whole-grain bread, potatos, peas or beans.... Patrick > > good fats and lean protein is THE fuel. And I keep the fuel fresh with > > a constant variety -- blueberries, buffalo, sweet potatos, asparagus, [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Patrick > > 5' 9" 165-170, 30.5 waist, 43 > > > Spot on, Doug! > [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > > Patrick It is not a dumb question because you appear to not know what it means by the context in which you used it. "I find lots of complex carbs, some good fats and lean protein is THE fuel." This mean that you find lots of *starches*, some good fats and lean protein is THE fuel. Personally, I avoid starches because they tend to be very high in carbs and pretty much bereft of nutrients, especially the refined starches. Name me ten starches that you feel are healthy in the diet. Idiot. TC > > > good fats and lean protein is THE fuel. And I keep the fuel fresh with > > > a constant variety -- blueberries, buffalo, sweet potatos, asparagus, [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > > Patrick > > > 5' 9" 165-170, 30.5 waist, 43 > It is not a dumb question because you appear to not know what it means > by the context in which you used it. "A naturally abundant nutrient carbohydrate, (C6H10O5)n, found chiefly in the seeds, fruits, tubers, roots, and stem pith of plants, notably in corn, potatoes, wheat, and rice, and varying widely in appearance according to source" Does that make you feel better? What the hell makes you think you are the only person that understands the definition. > "I find lots of complex carbs, some good fats and lean protein is THE > fuel." > > This mean that you find lots of *starches*, some good fats and lean > protein is THE fuel. If the startch is corn, whole grain wheat and rice - hell yes! I can make a great and healthy meal out of corn on the cob especially when fresh picked, some brown rice and some delicious beans or winter squash. Oh my god those are all vegetables, I guess i'm going to die or get sick. Quit your stupid cherry picking. > Personally, I avoid starches because they tend to be very high in > carbs > and pretty much bereft of nutrients, especially the refined starches. Excuse me, how can a starch be high in carbs when starch is by definition a carb? Will you get it through your pea brain that we agree that refined carbs are not the most ideal. OTOH if given the choice between a refined carb and a donut and I'm hungry, I'll pass on the donut. Also note because I do include exercise in my daily routine I can chomp down on some simple carbs. Once you adopt a healthy lifestyle, off thy a.s, one can enjoy even the evils of a donut or piece of pie and not have to fear weight gain. Even though I could eat simple carbs daily and not gain any weight, I know it be a unhealthy. If have any other questions about eating I will refer you once again to a good of definition of eating to http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/pyramids.html How many times you want to beat this horse. -DF > > You know what? You are an a.shole. Not to mention too frikkin dense to > > see the forest thru the trees. If you fail to see the truth that is > > laid out in front of you, then you are an idiot. So take your abusive > > ad hominem and go f**k yourself. > > Don't ya just hate it when facts get in the way of your paranoiac BS! I am still waiting to hear your "facts". TC > So doofus tell me that the literally thousands of people that show up > across the country at local 5k races(to run or walk) or even marathons [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > -DF > > You know that old thing about eating less and exercising more? Well > > the [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > heat. It's when you ask people what the ate and count the calories that > things get hazy. You don't get it, do you? It doesn't matter what excuses you come up with, it is still a failure in 95% or more of cases. Period. > > So the whole calorie balance thing is a failure from both ends, both > > the eating less and the exercising more. > > Spoken by the lard a.s who wants to sit on his a.s and breathe hard > watching porno movies for exercise. f.ck you. And I have managed to maintain mt weight easily when eating a high-fat high-calorie diet with a moderate exercise lifestyle, which flies in the face of your precious calorie theory. > > You make the call for yourself. I will eat copious amounts of healthy > > animal fats and proteins and low carb whole fresh produce chock full [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > -DF Hey buddy. Here is an easy question for you. Define "balanced". TC > Hey buddy. Here is an easy question for you. > > Define "balanced". Go stare at the Harvard Pyramid and you can't claim they ar eon the take. http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/pyramids.html Notice at the bottom of triangle, the term Pyramid may be too confusing for you , and notice those egregious whole grains that you eschew. You have good healthy foods put on your sh.t list such that your eating is narrow minded and boring. Your war on soy and whole grains in general is irresponsible. -DF > > Hey buddy. Here is an easy question for you. > > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > -DF Soy is not real food and grains are great for the birds. TC > > > Hey buddy. Here is an easy question for you. > > > Define "balanced". > > Go stare at the Harvard Pyramid and you can't claim they ar eon the > > take. > > http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/pyramids.html > > Notice at the bottom of triangle, the term Pyramid may be too confusing > > for you , and notice those egregious whole grains that you eschew. You > > have good healthy foods put on your sh.t list such that your eating is > > narrow minded and boring. Your war on soy and whole grains in general > > is irresponsible. > Soy is not real food, grains are great for the birds and a lethargic lifestyle is good for you. LOL You have quite a laugh track going there, TC! Patrick (Today I enjoyed -- homemade whole wheat/buttermilk pancakes (with pure Maple syrup), blueberry/banana smoothie - w/soy milk, and homemade chicken [whole wheat] noodle soup. Mmm mmm mmm mmmm mmmmmmmmm! And spent 9 hours doing yardwork/home projects.) > > > > Hey buddy. Here is an easy question for you. > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > chicken [whole wheat] noodle soup. Mmm mmm mmm mmmm mmmmmmmmm! And > spent 9 hours doing yardwork/home projects.) And your point is.........? TC > > > > > Hey buddy. Here is an easy question for you. > > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > And your point is.........? Get off your a.s, TC! Just thought that you might want to know. >> Soy is not real food and grains are great for the birds. Duh, I rest my case! -DF > > > http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601102&sid=aLAPybnm57bo&refer=uk > > [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > > TC Wasn't such a diet tried in earnest by a great many people? It was called Atkins or "South Beach". The diet has now fallen out of favor and seems not to have a made a dent in America's obesity or diabetes problems. If it's working for you, that's great, but it hasn't caught on as a useful lifestyle change for the majority of people who tried it. ( which includes me) Eric > > > http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601102&sid=aLAPybnm57bo&refer=uk > > [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > > TC Wasn't such a diet tried in earnest by a great many people? It was called Atkins or "South Beach". The diet has now fallen out of favor and seems not to have a made a dent in America's obesity or diabetes problems. If it's working for you, that's great, but it hasn't caught on as a useful lifestyle change for the majority of people who tried it. ( which includes me) Eric > More Exercise Not Enough to Cut Youngsters' Weight, Study Finds > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > including those of parents, probably are needed, according to a study > in today's British Medical Journal. Guess what? I am NOT a child. Guess what, again? Not feeding children enough food is called child abuse. Growing bodyies complicates the body fat issue. Ergo, Exercise is enough by definition to cut youngster's weight as there are no other legal or ethical options available. Just thought that the fool, TC, might want to know just how @#$%^&* he actually is. :) Thirty minutes of exercise three times a week? This is nothing if the kids spend the rest of the time in front of a tv or computer game. My own grandchildren can't sit still. I cannot imagine them getting only three half hours of exercise a week. That study was a waste of money and done by people with no common sense. Dolores > http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601102&sid=aLAPybnm57bo&refer=uk > [quoted text clipped - 62 lines] > > TC > http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601102&sid=aLAPybnm57bo&refer=uk > What does this say about all the experts who insist that the main > reason for obesity in the first place is lack of exercise? Please tell me you're not trying to use this report on 4-years in a 3-times a week "exercise class" for your [further] justification to sit around on your a.s. Tell us you're just joking around and not pinning your hopes that a lathargic lifestyle will keep you healthy. > The problem is in the massive amounts of refined carbs in the diet. BZZZZZ! Wrong answer. a) too many refined carbs b) too many greasy/fatty foods c) lack of exercise d) all of the above The correct answer is "d". > If exercise is the answer, then it would have to be constant day-long, every day > physcial exertion and not just casual exercise. There's no "if". Exercise IS a large part of the answer. You CAN eat massive anmounts of calories as long as you burn them off. Ultra-marathoners do it all the time and stay as thin as a rail. The problem is the general population likes to eat like their ultra-marathoners/atheletes but consider driving to work (and parking in the very front row), sitting behind a desk all day, and then going home to watch 3-4 hours of TV as plenty of exercise. > Would it not be easier to just cuts the carbs in the first place? Do you not read these reports or do you just pull out the bits and pieces that fit in your very biased mind? Please reread this: ``What this study does reinforce is that we need to try and get the whole package right from the earliest years, not just one lifestyle aspect.'' Did you get it that time? Patrick |
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