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George Cherry - 21 Sep 2006 17:28 GMT
Warren Taylor posted this on another ng.

It will probably always be impossible to get 100% protection
against e coli contamination in spinach / fresh salad greens,
according to the weblink below.

This is for multiple reasons, not the least of which is
that it is impossible to wet and wash the complex cracked
and rolled up natural design of contorted leaf surfaces
and stems fully, so as to exterminate the contamination.

This is true, despite using commercial washing equipment with
surfactant-aided, [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surfactant]
detergent and emulsifying compounds in the best
chlorine/peroxide disinfectant washes available today.

If you want fresh and chewy salad, it will always be risky
to some degree.  Only undercooked hamburger is more risky
on a population-wide basis (per URL weblink below).

It is also probably overly optimistic to believe the we
ourselves can design our own personal kitchen washing
techniques with our own chemicals and disinfectants to
be superior to those in the best commercial processing
facilities.

Quotes from weblink below:

1) "The safeguards are not in place to protect fruits and
   vegetables in the same way that they are for beef and
   poultry."

2) Leafy vegetables are the second leading source of E. coli
  infections in the United States, behind ground beef,
  but the government relies primarily on voluntary safety
  steps by farmers and packagers to prevent outbreaks.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/09/19/health/main2020591.shtml
christopher.a.dowling@gmail.com - 22 Sep 2006 02:07 GMT
Perhaps irradiation would eliminate the risk of infectious causes of
illness:

http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dbmd/diseaseinfo/foodirradiation.htm

Of course, this idea frightens some.....

> Warren Taylor posted this on another ng.
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> http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/09/19/health/main2020591.shtml
TC - 22 Sep 2006 14:54 GMT
> Warren Taylor posted this on another ng.
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> detergent and emulsifying compounds in the best
> chlorine/peroxide disinfectant washes available today.

The problem is not one of inability to clean produce. The issue is the
initial exposure and contamination of the produce to the e. coli.

> If you want fresh and chewy salad, it will always be risky
> to some degree.  Only undercooked hamburger is more risky
> on a population-wide basis (per URL weblink below).

Which is easily remedied by NOT undercooking hamburger. E. coli in
produce cannot be mitigated by properly cooking when the produce is
intended to be eaten raw in salads. I would suggest that e. coli on
fresh produce is way riskier to us than e. coli in beef.

> It is also probably overly optimistic to believe the we
> ourselves can design our own personal kitchen washing
> techniques with our own chemicals and disinfectants to
> be superior to those in the best commercial processing
> facilities.

Again, the issue is not in the cleaning but in the initial
contamination.

> Quotes from weblink below:
>
> 1) "The safeguards are not in place to protect fruits and
>     vegetables in the same way that they are for beef and
>     poultry."

Why the frig not? It is a whole lot easier to establish on-farm
controls than it is to recall every spinach leaf in the western US. If
the farmers were that stupid, then they get what they deserve, which is
very unfortunate for them.

> 2) Leafy vegetables are the second leading source of E. coli
>    infections in the United States, behind ground beef,
>    but the government relies primarily on voluntary safety
>    steps by farmers and packagers to prevent outbreaks.

Voluntary! What a joke. They'll cut corners until all hell breaks loose
and then they'll apply for government assistance to bail them out of
their mess.

TC

> http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/09/19/health/main2020591.shtml
Mr. Natural-Health - 23 Sep 2006 19:49 GMT
A healthy diet is a cooked diet.  :)

A Raw food diet, of any kind, is just asking for trouble.  It is just
plain stupid engaging in high risk behavior on the mistaken assumption
that they are healthy.  Anything that can kill you, is not healthy.

A young person, just the other day, crossed a street downtown
diagonally. She completely missed the point that she successed ONLY
because she was a youth.  She still had plenty of opportunity to kill
herself.  Just ask any senior citizen.  High risk behaviors
statiscially result in early deaths.

Just thought that you nutrition droogies might want to know. :)

Who says so?  I do.

Want raw?  Then eat more nuts.
--
john gohde
http://naturalhealthperspective.com/
 
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