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Worse case scenario: Long Term melatonin use

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paramindsoftware@gmail.com - 14 Aug 2006 07:22 GMT
I'm curious what those with some knowlege think that a possible
negative reaction
could be from using 3 or 4 mgs of melatonin every night for ten to
twenty years.

I'm not saying there should be some, just curious if anyone has read
anything or
may postulate something.

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calvin12@sysko.com - 14 Aug 2006 16:00 GMT
"I'm curious what those with some knowlege think that a possible
negative reaction could be from using 3 or 4 mgs of melatonin every
night for ten to twenty years.

I'm not saying there should be some, just curious if anyone has read
anything or may postulate something."

I have done a rather extensive search of the melatonin literature for
personal reasons.  There is nothing that jumps out except the usual
caution that long term studies in humans is lacking.  I have also done
similar for aspirin and it clearly has potential effects for long term
high dose use, even in the short term.  I offer this as a reference when
comparing it to the melatonin studies.
Marshall Price - 18 Aug 2006 05:24 GMT
> I have also done
> similar for aspirin and it clearly has potential effects for long term
> high dose use, even in the short term.

I don't quite get your meaning, but _regular_ aspirin use, even in low
(2.5-grain) doses and for short courses (a few weeks), can be hazardous
to your health.  You should have a check-up at least, and a good reason
for taking it, before you alter your body's natural inflammatory
processes -- not to mention attacking your stomach's mucosa, straining
your kidneys, reducing your blood's tendency to congeal, raising the
fragility of your capillaries, interfering with the natural tendency to
fight off infections with fever, lowering your body's ability to use
pain to alert you to problems, etc.

There are small amounts of salicylates in many fruits (cherries,
berries, oranges, apples...), which I doubt are enough to cause trouble,
and may even help extend your life, especially by fending off unwanted
harmful inflammation.  But even these do cause trouble in some people,
and the amount you get in a 5-grain tablet, or even half of one, can
seriously disrupt (not only by direct acid attack) the histamine
communications among the glands in your stomach lining.  It's one thing
to do that occasionally to cure a headache (unless it's indicative of
something serious!), and quite another to make a habit of it, raising
the possibility of strongly disrupting your regular digestive processes,
which are quite complicated and with age, increasingly prone to malfunction.

So -- seek a doctor's advice.  These are all well-studied issues.

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GMCarter - 14 Aug 2006 18:34 GMT
>I'm curious what those with some knowlege think that a possible
>negative reaction
>could be from using 3 or 4 mgs of melatonin every night for ten to
>twenty years.

Probably a lot less worse than using the standard dose of Ambien every
night for even 3 years.
Marshall Price - 18 Aug 2006 04:54 GMT
> I'm curious what those with some knowlege think that a possible
> negative reaction
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> Creative Virtue Press/Telical Books/Regenerative Music
> http://www.rspearson.com

Just *the usual*, which makes sense to me and is why they say to be
careful with it.

That is, that you'll make less and less of it (a bad thing!) as you age
without intentionally messing up what appears to be a rather delicate
mechanism.

It's like growth hormone or testosterone in that respect -- are you sure
you want to try "outsmarting" your long-evolved endocrine system with
something that was only discovered recently and for which we have no
long-term experimental data on the consequences of oral supplementation?

All the advice I've come across on melatonin concurs: that taking it
rarely, to help nudge your sleep cycle into coping with jet lag or (more
controversially) seasonal affective disorder, isn't likely to
precipitate a permanent reduction in its usual elaboration in the brain
in response to darkness, _unless_ there's some tendency in that
direction already (a "big if").

But it sounds to me as if you might be considering taking _high_ doses
of melatonin over a period of one or two _decades_, entirely without a
doctor's advice, in spite of plenty of warnings everywhere that that's
crazy!

Furthermore, you make no hint of recognizing any _indication_ for doing
this.  I assume it has something to do with sleep or "nootropy", but
don't you think you should at least establish what your baseline
melatonin levels are _without supplementation_ before risking your
health by intentionally altering them?  You wouldn't start injecting
yourself with insulin on a hunch, would you?  Well, just because
melatonin doesn't have to be injected and can be bought (at present)
over the counter doesn't make it a good candidate for playing around with.

I realize I'm jumping to conclusions here, but it's only because I'm
(having fun and) addressing unknown people besides yourself.  I hope
you're not personally engaging in a dangerous practice, paramindsoftware!

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paramindsoftware@gmail.com - 20 Aug 2006 09:01 GMT
Hello, your highness,

> Just *the usual*, which makes sense to me and is why they say to be
> careful with it.

Well, not all say be careful with it.

And, it's amazing the hundreds of studies done saying that megadoses
of certain vitamins have had great healing affects.  I wonder how
science
has come so far in the last ten years or so....seems like few talk
about
megadosing with vitamins like zinc and C anymore.

It's hard to trust "they"....sometimes, based on experience with some
of their medications.

People still take artificial things on a daily bases so your argument
doesn't seem to really go anywhere but I get your point.

Too bad however that following the line of reasoning in your statements
the human body doesn't usually last more than 70 years.....I think with

better understanding of the basic vitamins and minerals we will keep
living longer and longer.

I do appreciate your concern.

Robert
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http://www.rspearson.com/

Robert

> That is, that you'll make less and less of it (a bad thing!) as you age
> without intentionally messing up what appears to be a rather delicate
[quoted text clipped - 29 lines]
> (having fun and) addressing unknown people besides yourself.  I hope
> you're not personally engaging in a dangerous practice, paramindsoftware!
Marshall Price - 20 Aug 2006 18:10 GMT
> Hello, your highness,
>
>>Just *the usual*, which makes sense to me and is why they say to be
>>careful with it.
>
> Well, not all say be careful with it.

You're probably right.

> And, it's amazing the hundreds of studies done saying that megadoses
> of certain vitamins have had great healing affects.  I wonder how
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> Too bad however that following the line of reasoning in your statements
> the human body doesn't usually last more than 70 years.....I think with

That's *my* line of reasoning!?

My line of reasoning was that you shouldn't risk disrupting the brain's
production of melatonin by adding it to your diet without a good reason
for doing so.

> better understanding of the basic vitamins and minerals we will keep
> living longer and longer.
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>>(having fun and) addressing unknown people besides yourself.  I hope
>>you're not personally engaging in a dangerous practice, paramindsoftware!

Zinc is not a vitamin, and "megadosing" on it will give you a pretty bad
headache and stomachache!

On the other hand, if you want to lower your cholesterol and raise your
bad cholesterol, you better take pretty hefty doses of niacin (B-6 also
helps, and pantethine), because small doses, especially of niacinamide
or so-called "no-flush niacin" won't do any good at all.

There are still plenty of people taking megadoses of vitamin C.  They
haven't gone anywhere.  I'm not among them, but I do take 100-500 mg
pretty often.

I agree, better understanding of nutrition is a good thing!  And "basic
vitamins and minerals" is just scratching the surface, but it's a good
start.

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