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Who is your favourite nutrition guru?

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Tony Burch - 09 Aug 2006 08:40 GMT
Hi all,

I was just pondering the idea of "gurus" & I thought the following questions
may hopefully make some interesting & entertaining discussion:)

Including people in this newsgroup & others in the field, whom do you
consider to be the present-day "gurus" in nutrition? ...I mean the people
who guide others, are inspirational & highly respected for their work &
contributions in this field.

Who is your favourite guru & why?

Please take the question in a light-hearted way. Maybe this is just a chance
to honour someone you respect. Maybe some readers will check out your "guru"
and also enjoy them.

Tony Burch
MikeV - 09 Aug 2006 14:48 GMT
> Hi all,
>
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>
> Tony Burch

TC wins hands down.

In my view, it is the location in which he protects his head which
gives him a unique and intimate knowledge of  the ultimate fate of
calories.
From start to finish he is entertaining, and maintains that
inimitable Gallic sense of humor. Thanks, TC.  :-)

MikeV
TC - 09 Aug 2006 15:51 GMT
> > Hi all,
> >
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>
> MikeV

You beat me to it. He is, by far, my favorite nutrition "guru" too.
(chuckle, chuckle)

TC
MikeV - 09 Aug 2006 16:17 GMT
>> > Hi all,
>> >
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>
> TC

Gee! Now on the other hand,  how would you take it if someone were
to insult you?   :-(
TC - 09 Aug 2006 18:00 GMT
> >> > Hi all,
> >> >
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> Gee! Now on the other hand,  how would you take it if someone were
> to insult you?   :-(

I thrive on insults.

TC
Ron Peterson - 09 Aug 2006 20:29 GMT
> I was just pondering the idea of "gurus" & I thought the following questions
> may hopefully make some interesting & entertaining discussion:)

> Including people in this newsgroup & others in the field, whom do you
> consider to be the present-day "gurus" in nutrition? ...I mean the people
> who guide others, are inspirational & highly respected for their work &
> contributions in this field.

> Who is your favourite guru & why?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10753216/site/newsweek/ has some
suggestions including:
Bruce Ames PROFESSOR, U.C., BERKELEY
He takes: Acetyl-carnitine, lipoic acid and a multivitamin
Tip: Try to eat well, but take a daily multivitamin for insurance

JoAnn Manson PROF., HARVARD MEDICAL SCHOOL
She takes: Calcium (1,000mg daily), vitamin D, multivitamin
Tip: For best absorption, no more than 500mg of calcium per dose

Dean Ornish BEST-SELLING AUTHOR
He takes: Fish oil (three grams daily) and a multivitamin
Tip: Iron-free multivitamin for men, postmenopausal women
The most important supplement for peopleto be taking is fish oil. Just
three grams a day may provide enormous benefits.

Marion Nestle AUTHOR, 'WHAT TO EAT'
She takes: An occasional multivitamin
Tip: Eat lots of fruits, vegetables, whole grains and fatty fish

Irwin Rosenberg NUTRITION SCIENTIST, TUFTS
He takes: Vitamin B12 (200mcg weekly), vitamin D (400 IU daily)
Tip: If you don't live in a sunny climate, vitamin D could be low.

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  Ron

TC - 09 Aug 2006 21:59 GMT
> > I was just pondering the idea of "gurus" & I thought the following questions
> > may hopefully make some interesting & entertaining discussion:)
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> He takes: Acetyl-carnitine, lipoic acid and a multivitamin
> Tip: Try to eat well, but take a daily multivitamin for insurance

Bruce N. Ames, Ph.D., Professor of Biochemistry and Molecular Biology,
University of California, Berkeley. Co-founder of Juvenon, a
biotechnology company. (Pollack, Andrew. "Forget Boxtox. Anti-Aging
Pills May Be Next," New York Times, 9/21/03, B10) Holds U.S. patent
number 6,455,589 "Primary N-hydroxylamines" assigned to The Regents
of the University of California (Oakland, CA), September 24, 2002.
Holds U.S. patent number 5,869,258 "Detection system for mutagens
that identifies mutagenic changes" assigned to The Regents of the
University of California (Oakland, CA), February 9, 1999. Holds U.S.
patent number 5,916,912 "Dietary composition for enhancing metabolism
and alleviating oxidative stress" assigned to The Regents of the
University of California (Oakland, CA), June 29, 1999. Holds U.S.
patent number 5,681,737 "Detection system for mutagens that also
identifies mutagenic changes" assigned to The Regents of the
University of California (Oakland, CA), October 28, 1997. On the Board
of Directors for the Marshall Institute.
(www.marshall.org/aboutpg.html; accessed 04/30/01) Co-founder of
Juvenon, a biotechnology company. (New York Times, 9/21/03, B10) Member
of the scientific advisory board of The Advancement of Sound Science
Coalition. (Brill's Content, 10/98, p.113)

> JoAnn Manson PROF., HARVARD MEDICAL SCHOOL
> She takes: Calcium (1,000mg daily), vitamin D, multivitamin
> Tip: For best absorption, no more than 500mg of calcium per dose

JoAnne E. Manson, Harvard Medical School. Paid consultant to
Interneuron, maker of obesity drug Redux (fenfluramine) for several
months in 1995. (New York Times, 8/29/96; Lingua Franca, June/July,
1997; p. 54)

> Dean Ornish BEST-SELLING AUTHOR
> He takes: Fish oil (three grams daily) and a multivitamin
> Tip: Iron-free multivitamin for men, postmenopausal women
> The most important supplement for peopleto be taking is fish oil. Just
> three grams a day may provide enormous benefits.

Dean Ornish, M.D., Clinical Professor of Medicine, University of
California, San Francisco. Founder, president and director, Preventive
Medicine Research Institute, Sausalito, CA. Member, Blue ribbon
advisory board on health and wellness, PepsiCo.
(http://media.corporate-ir.net/media_files/IROL/78/78265/presentations/121304.pdf;
accessed 5/31/05) Earns $7,500 per year as paid consultant to
McDonald's Corp. for giving talks to employees and writing nutritional
advice for table displays. (Melanie Warner, "Is a Trip to McDonald's
Just What the Doctor Ordered?" New York Times, 5/2/05, P.C1) In 2005,
presented findings to the American College of Cardiology on the heart
benefits of pomegranate juice based on a study funded by POM Wonderful,
which makes pomegranate juice. (Ben Harder, "Wonder Juice?" Washington
Post, 6/21/05, p.F2) Consultant to McDonald's, PepsiCo, and ConAgra
Foods. (Beil, Laura. "Eyes on the Fries," Dallas Morning News,
1/24/2005; Severson, Kim, Warner, Melanie. "Fat Substitute, Once
Praised, Is Pushed Out of the Kitchen," New York Times, 2/13/05, p.1)
Research supported by The Enron Foundation, Continental Airlines,
Credit Suisse First Boston Foundation, Corporate Property Investors,
Texas Commerce Bank Foundation, and Arthur Andersen & Co. (JAMA.
1998;280:2001-7.) Received consulting fees and honoraria from ConAgra
Foods. (JAMA. 1998;279:1345-6.) Received lecture honoraria and wrote
general-interest books on diet and lifestyle, for which he received
royalties. (JAMA. 1998;279:1345-6.)

> Marion Nestle AUTHOR, 'WHAT TO EAT'
> She takes: An occasional multivitamin
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> He takes: Vitamin B12 (200mcg weekly), vitamin D (400 IU daily)
> Tip: If you don't live in a sunny climate, vitamin D could be low.

Irwin Rosenberg, M.D., Senior Scientist and Director, Nutrition and
Neurocognition Laboratory Jean Mayer USDA HNRCA, Tufts University.
Serves on Advisory Board of Coca-Cola's Beverage Institute for Health
and Wellness. (
http://www.thebeverageinstitute.org/advisory_council.shtml ; accessed
11/09/04)

Four out of five "doctors" are owned by industry.

TC
TC - 09 Aug 2006 22:04 GMT
> > > I was just pondering the idea of "gurus" & I thought the following questions
> > > may hopefully make some interesting & entertaining discussion:)
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> of the scientific advisory board of The Advancement of Sound Science
> Coalition. (Brill's Content, 10/98, p.113)

http://cspinet.org/integrity/nonprofits/the_advancement_of_sound_science_coaliti
on_defunct_.html


THE ADVANCEMENT OF SOUND SCIENCE COALITION [defunct]

O'Dywer's PR Services reports that TASSC is "leading the charge
against what it views as the unholy alliance between environmentalists
and the media" (Feb. 1996).

The office of Stephen Milloy (executive director of TASSC) is in the
headquarters of APCO Associates, a Washington, D.C., PR firm that
specializes in creating coalitions like TASSC. (Village Voice, April
29, 1997, p. 39)

According to the Environmental Working Group (EWG) this "sound
science" coalition is supported by hundreds of corporations,
including 3M, Amoco, Chevron, Dow Chemical, Exxon, General Motors,
Occidental Petroleum, Philip Morris, Procter & Gamble and W.R. Grace.
Its objective is to act as a speakers bureau to deliver the corporate
message that environmental public policy is not currently based on
"sound science," and to counter excessive regulations that are
based on what it considers "junk" science.

TASSC, according to EWG, was created in 1993 to promote "sound
science" in policy decision making. TASSC's extensive advisory
board contains well known "science skeptics" S. Fred Singer, Bruce
Ames, Dr. Patrick Michaels, Michael Sanera, and Hugh Ellsaesser.

Steven Milloy, executive director of TASSC, is a self styled "junk
science" critic who previously launched the Junk Science Page through
the Environmental Policy Analysis Network (EPAN), a group he started in
1996. Milloy is also a lobbyist for the EOP Group, a DC-based lobbying
firm that represents the American Crop Protection Association, the
Chlorine Chemistry Council, Edison Electric Institute, among others.
Under Milloy's personal listing of groups he represents through the
EOP Group in 1996 were Fort Howard Corp., the International Food
Additives Association, and Monsanto. According to the most recent
edition of Washington Representatives, Milloy's client list has grown
to include the National Mining Association, among others.
(http://www.ewg.org/pub/home/clear/view/CV_Vol4_No16.html; accessed
6/17/03)

"Support comes from companies like Procter & Gamble, Exxon, Dow
Chemical, and Philip Morris."
[http://www.villagevoice.com/ink/goetz.html] (4/23/97)

> > JoAnn Manson PROF., HARVARD MEDICAL SCHOOL
> > She takes: Calcium (1,000mg daily), vitamin D, multivitamin
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>
> TC
Marshall Price - 18 Aug 2006 03:57 GMT
Carl Pfeiffer.

When I knew him, he was the founder and chief poobah of the Brain Bio
Center, in Princeton (actually Skillman), NJ, where he'd set up an
incredible laboratory of very state-of-the-art equipment, with which he
made major contributions to biochemistry, and wrote _Mental and
Elemental Nutrients_, _Zinc and Other Trace Elements_, and many, more
specialized, books and articles on the brain and how various
environmental conditions (including, but not limited to, diet) affected
it and caused or cured problems, such as the dozen-or-more kinds of
headaches, the half-dozen biochemical profiles of schizophrenia,
previously unknown effects of trace elements and their interactions,
unknown blood constituents, and so on.

He was often regarded as connected with the "orthomolecular" school,
though at its cutting edge: doing his own thing, rather than following
the others.  He admired their early leaders.

He had two doctorates and had been the chief research pharmacologist of
the U.S. Navy for twenty or thirty years.  His wife, too, had a
doctorate (in pharmacology, I think), and worked together with him.

He did me a special favor.  Knowing I wanted the full battery of tests
his lab could run (mass spectroscopy, electrophoresis, etc.: things now
much less exotic than they were then) on my hair, blood, feces, urine;
but that I was strapped for cash, he invited me to come over on a quiet
weekend to help him paint a wall of the building!  While we worked, we
discussed the "Krebs cycle" and "Embden-Meyerhoff pathway", and he told
me (to my surprise) that though many people studied them, few mastered
them, yet they were the "keys to everything" (whatever that meant!).
I'm still learning, bit by bit (30 years later), what he had in mind.
In fact, it was only recently that I discovered there was more (much
more!) to metabolism.

But I've never found anything he was wrong about, except _maybe_ (I
emphasize maybe) what the ideal dietary sodium/potassium ratio ought to
be.  He was very pro-potassium, perhaps too much.  On the other hand, it
might just have been me.  I eliminated as much sodium as I could from my
diet, including not only added salt and meats, but even onions, celery,
etc.  Then one hot day in New Orleans, I took a bit of salt on a hunch
and discovered I felt much better within seconds.  Hyponatremia!  And I
thought it couldn't happen....

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Marshall Price of Miami
Known to Yahoo as d021317c

David R. Throop - 09 Aug 2006 21:43 GMT
>Including people in this newsgroup & others in the field, whom do you
>consider to be the present-day "gurus" in nutrition?  Who is your
>favourite guru & why?

Popeye the Sailor Man.  He introduced me to low-carb, high antioxidant
vegetables.

DRT
cardarch - 10 Aug 2006 13:39 GMT
runnsswim  (Larry Weisenthal) in the swimming newsgroup is the only
one I trust.

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> Hi all,
>
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>
> Tony Burch
Mr. Natural-Health - 10 Aug 2006 22:02 GMT
> Hi all,
>
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>
> Who is your favourite guru & why?

Me, myself, I and moi. :)
http://naturalhealthperspective.com/food/

I am recovering from yet another major computer crash. :(
TC - 10 Aug 2006 22:20 GMT
> > Hi all,
> >
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>
> I am recovering from yet another major computer crash. :(

Wtf does:

"Eating a healthy diet is a biological factor of the mind - body
connection."

mean?????????????????????

TC
Mr. Natural-Health - 12 Aug 2006 04:00 GMT
> > > Hi all,
> > >
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>
> mean?????????????????????

TC, You need to use reading glasses.  You can buy them at Wal-Mart for
a couple of bucks.  Do you need a loan?

Just thought that you might want to try reading what I actually wrote
for a change.
TC - 12 Aug 2006 04:30 GMT
> > > > Hi all,
> > > >
[quoted text clipped - 25 lines]
> Just thought that you might want to try reading what I actually wrote
> for a change.

You don't even knoiw wtf it means. Arsehole.

TC
Mr. Natural-Health - 12 Aug 2006 15:11 GMT
> > > > > Hi all,
> > > > >
[quoted text clipped - 27 lines]
>
> You don't even knoiw wtf it means.

I wrote that sig, so I know exactly what it means.  Anybody remotely
familiar with the literature should intuitively know what it means.
So, TC obviously has my condolences.

The mind-body connection in Great Britain was in common usage prior to
1859, thanks to a quote made by Florence Nightingale.
http://naturalhealthperspective.com/tutorials/notes-on-nursing.html

The mind-body connection is slang for the more fully developed
biopsychosocial model of health and disease.

http://naturalhealthperspective.com/tutorials/glossary.html
"The complex biopsychosocial model is concerned with illness, the
subjective sense of suffering or reduced capacity to function. The
biopsychosocial model is a much more complex systems theory approach to
health, illness and healing. It does not look for single, specific
causes for illness, but sees health, illness and healing as resulting
from the interacting effects of events of very different types,
including biological, psychological, and social factors. All of these
are seen as systems that affect and interact with one another to affect
personal health"

So, the mind-body connection consists of three (3) basic factors of
health: biological, psychological, and social.

The most well known biological factors of health would be a healthy
diet, nutritional supplements, and physical exercise.
http://naturalhealthperspective.com

So, I just proved in writing just how stupid and WRONG TC, the chronic
complainer, always is.

Just thought that the ignoramuses on this ng might want to update
themselves on the literature that has existed since the middle of the
19th century.

Who says so?  I do. :)

Feel free to prove me wrong, Ignoramus.
TC - 13 Aug 2006 17:53 GMT
How many people here understand what:

"Eating a healthy diet is a biological factor of the mind - body
connection."

means?

TC

> > > > > > Hi all,
> > > > > >
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>
> Feel free to prove me wrong, Ignoramus.
Mr. Natural-Health - 14 Aug 2006 16:48 GMT
> > I wrote that sig, so I know exactly what it means.  Anybody remotely
> > familiar with the literature should intuitively know what it means.
[quoted text clipped - 38 lines]
>
> TC

I have set up two different discussion forum groups where we can
discuss this issue, healthy diets, or any other natural health and
wellness issue in more detail.

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Health-with-Attitude/
This Yahoo group offers both privacy and spam filtering.

http://groups.google.com/group/Natural-Health
This Google group is public.

http://naturalhealthperspective.com/food/whole-grains.html
--
John Gohde,
    Achieving good Nutrition is an Art, NOT a Science!

The nutrition of eating a healthy diet is a biological factor of the
mind-body connection. Now, weighing in at 18 web pages, the
Nutrition of a Healthy Diet is with more documentation and
sharper terminology than ever before.
http://naturalhealthperspective.com/food/

> > Feel free to prove me wrong, Ignoramus.
TC - 14 Aug 2006 17:38 GMT
> > > I wrote that sig, so I know exactly what it means.  Anybody remotely
> > > familiar with the literature should intuitively know what it means.
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>
> > > Feel free to prove me wrong, Ignoramus.

You still have failed to explain what it means.

TC
TC - 15 Aug 2006 01:52 GMT
> > > I wrote that sig, so I know exactly what it means.  Anybody remotely
> > > familiar with the literature should intuitively know what it means.
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> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Health-with-Attitude/
> This Yahoo group offers both privacy and spam filtering.

Activity within 7 days:(No Activity)

ONE post since August of 2005.

> http://groups.google.com/group/Natural-Health
> This Google group is public.

36 posts since Aug 4 2005. Most by you.

> http://naturalhealthperspective.com/food/whole-grains.html
> --
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>
> > > Feel free to prove me wrong, Ignoramus.

Your irrelevance is obvious. Go away and no one will ever miss you.

TC
Mr. Natural-Health - 15 Aug 2006 04:12 GMT
> > > > I wrote that sig, so I know exactly what it means.  Anybody remotely
> > > > familiar with the literature should intuitively know what it means.
[quoted text clipped - 69 lines]
>
> Your irrelevance is obvious. Go away and no one will ever miss you.

Your negativity matches that of an ignoramous that is 150 years out of
date.

All it takes is one hot air balloon to start talking on these groups.
I have great confidence that a talkative person will soon find these
forums.

And, you are still the idiot who knows absolutely nothing about the
mind-body connection.  And, I do not mind saying that you are total
buffoon.

And, now THAT I have a XP professional computer with 256K of RAM to
plan my next attack on TC 'the Complainer' WHO THE HELL NEEDS YOU?

Ha, ... Hah, Ha!
TC - 15 Aug 2006 14:42 GMT
> > > > > I wrote that sig, so I know exactly what it means.  Anybody remotely
> > > > > familiar with the literature should intuitively know what it means.
[quoted text clipped - 85 lines]
>
> Ha, ... Hah, Ha!

The simple fact of the matter is that no-one and I mean NO-ONE is
interested in your point of view. The complete lack of traffic on your
site and on your groups reflect that very clearly.

You are irrelevant. And I will now join the rest of the world in
ignoring you.

And that ain't much RAM. XP won't run ot that. It needs 256 MEGS.
Idiot.

TC
Mr. Natural-Health - 16 Aug 2006 13:32 GMT
> > > > > > I wrote that sig, so I know exactly what it means.  Anybody remotely
> > > > > > familiar with the literature should intuitively know what it means.
[quoted text clipped - 89 lines]
> interested in your point of view. The complete lack of traffic on your
> site and on your groups reflect that very clearly.

Well, you are the one who is the idiot.

I clearly wrote new rules on both groups.  The google group up till now
had moderated messages.  Now, all members can immediately post.

The yahoo group was a newsletter which was inactive due to my own
design.  I changed it to a public discussion group format.  During my
absence, I have noticed that yahoo has added a spam filter option.
This could be what is needed to auto filter out spam.  If it works, I
might start yet a 3rd group.

The primary problem has been my major computer failure.  I was using a
HP computer which apparently had a defective system board.  It finally
gave up the ghost, when Windows98 decided to stop working entirely.
All my recent data is NOT accessible by me and may never be. Even when
it was working, it only had 64 Megs of Ram. :(

> And that ain't much RAM. XP won't run ot that. It needs 256 MEGS.
> Idiot.

That is correct, it is 256 Megs rather than K.

My new baby XP is too good to waste on the Internet. I was going to buy
one for around $500 to 600.  Now, I do not have too. :)

Last year, I fished a Windows95 computer system out of the dumpster.  I
never did much with it because it was somewhat password protected.
Turns out that it has 40 Megs of Ram.  And, because Windows95 is
smaller the online speed is quite acceptable.  Even with its 28K modem,
my ISP software is reporting the fastest connection speed ever:
56K!!!!  How a 28K modem can connect at 56K is beyond me.  Its only
real problem is a 1 Gig HD.

So, the Window95 computer is now my trash computer used only for the
Internet.  For $15, the price of a Ethernet card, it is connected to my
XP computer for file transfers.  The only computers dying on me now,
will be my Internet computers.  Because they keep on locking up.

So, now that my Internet activities are nolonger painfully slow.  I
will start promoting both groups.  And, you will remain a Kook as
always. :)

Just thought that you might want to know.
TC - 16 Aug 2006 14:34 GMT
> > > > > > > I wrote that sig, so I know exactly what it means.  Anybody remotely
> > > > > > > familiar with the literature should intuitively know what it means.
[quoted text clipped - 94 lines]
> I clearly wrote new rules on both groups.  The google group up till now
> had moderated messages.  Now, all members can immediately post.

ohhhhh, riiiiiiight, suuuuurrrree

> The yahoo group was a newsletter which was inactive due to my own
> design.  I changed it to a public discussion group format.  During my
> absence, I have noticed that yahoo has added a spam filter option.
> This could be what is needed to auto filter out spam.  If it works, I
> might start yet a 3rd group.

a group designed for inactivity. right.

> The primary problem has been my major computer failure.  I was using a
> HP computer which apparently had a defective system board.  It finally
> gave up the ghost, when Windows98 decided to stop working entirely.
> All my recent data is NOT accessible by me and may never be. Even when
> it was working, it only had 64 Megs of Ram. :(

So that is why the crowds have stayed away in droves, your poor
hardware. well that explains it all.

> > And that ain't much RAM. XP won't run ot that. It needs 256 MEGS.
> > Idiot.
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>
> Just thought that you might want to know.

No body cares about your new computer or your old computer or your
groups, or your opinion, or you for that matter. So FOAD.

TC
Mr. Natural-Health - 17 Aug 2006 02:49 GMT
For TC 'the Complainer:

http://naturalhealthperspective.com/food/whole-grains.html
--
John Gohde,
    Achieving good Nutrition is an Art, NOT a Science!

The nutrition of eating a healthy diet is a biological factor of the
mind-body connection. Now, weighing in at 18 web pages, the
Nutrition of a Healthy Diet is with more documentation and
sharper terminology than ever before.
http://naturalhealthperspective.com/food/

I have set up two different discussion forum groups where we can
discuss this issue, healthy diets, or Natural Health and Wellness
issues in more detail.  Both groups have around 250 members each.  Why
not explain it to a new audience?

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Health-with-Attitude/
This Yahoo group offers both privacy and spam filtering.

http://groups.google.com/group/Natural-Health
This Google group is public.
TC - 17 Aug 2006 15:18 GMT
> For TC 'the Complainer:
>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> The nutrition of eating a healthy diet is a biological factor of the
> mind-body connection.

What the f.ck does that mean?????????

And NOBODY cares about what you say or what you write or what you
think. You are a lonely little irrelevant voice in the wilderness and
will remain thus ad infinitum.

TC
Mr. Natural-Health - 17 Aug 2006 15:24 GMT
> > For TC 'the Complainer:
> >
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> think. You are a lonely little irrelevant voice in the wilderness and
> will remain thus ad infinitum.

What the f.ck does that mean?????????

And NOBODY cares about what you say or what you write or what you
think. You are a lonely little irrelevant voice in the wilderness and
will remain thus ad infinitum.

Just thought that you might want to know.  You appear to be mentally
slow.

You have my condolences.

Ha, ... Hah, Ha!

LOL

Yes, I am having a good laugh at the chronic compainer. :)
cathyb - 18 Aug 2006 12:32 GMT
> > > For TC 'the Complainer:
> > >
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> > think. You are a lonely little irrelevant voice in the wilderness and
> > will remain thus ad infinitum.

Sort of like John Gohde, then. After all, who's going to listen to
someone who thinks:

"A couple of interesting and funny websites. Sadly, we continue to
suffer from the presence of the negro variety of homo sapiens.

John"

http://groups.google.com.au/group/alt.politics/msg/5ce8e8f7c16e7ad0?dmode=source

<snip>
Mr. Natural-Health - 18 Aug 2006 15:26 GMT
> > > > For TC 'the Complainer:
> > > >
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> "A couple of interesting and funny websites. Sadly, we continue to
> suffer from the presence of the negro variety of homo sapiens.

Ditto!

Yeah, the variety of human beings who kill people for absolutely no
logical reason like the Harvey family in Richmond, VA on new years day.
The dude cut their throats.  And, kept on banging them in the head with
a hammer because they kept on geting up.  Not to mention their two
little girls.

That dude was just convicted of murder in only 30 minutes.  They don't
have OJ style trials in Virginia. :)

Just thought that you might want to know that you are in the minority.
:)
excatholic - 19 Aug 2006 14:32 GMT
> > > > > For TC 'the Complainer:
> > > > >
[quoted text clipped - 31 lines]
> Just thought that you might want to know that you are in the minority.
> :)

Only under the rock where you've made your home, Gohde. But thank you
for proving my point.
Mr. Natural-Health - 19 Aug 2006 15:50 GMT
> > > > > > For TC 'the Complainer:
> > > > > >
[quoted text clipped - 34 lines]
> Only under the rock where you've made your home, Gohde. But thank you
> for proving my point.

You do NOT have a point, nor a brain. :)

In Virginia criminal trials do NOT go on for months and months. A few
days at most. :)

That Black dude was convicted in only 30 minutes by a jury of his
peers.  Personally, I think the police should have exterminated him on
the spot.  Would have saved the taxpayers a whole lot of money.

All you academics should stay out of Virginia.  Just like Texas,
Virginia believes in executing people. :)

Just thought that Academic slime balls might want to know.
Jan Drew - 20 Aug 2006 02:21 GMT
>> > > > > For TC 'the Complainer:
>> > > > >
[quoted text clipped - 36 lines]
> Only under the rock where you've made your home, Gohde. But thank you
> for proving my point.

Blatant liar, aka/cathyb wrote:

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.breast-implant/msg/9a5420afa57add11?hl=en&

Sorry about the name; my son gave it to me as a joke many months ago,
and sometimes it just shows up.

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.breast-implant/msg/e500b9a388791e5a?hl=en&

Well, yes. It usually occurs when I post to a group other than mha; I
never remember to check which name is up there. Since in this case the
post was to a breast implant group I've never visited before, it
happened here.

Why; what possible problem can you have with this? Do you hav e any
conception of how stupid you appear?

Jan Drew wrote:

> > excatholic wrote:

> I will show how DECEITFUL aka/cathy is:

> She didn't want the readers to see that.

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.breast-implant/msg/3b0c8736a0388100?hl=en&

Sure, Jan. That's why I posted it: so no-one would read it.

==

Well, NO she did NOT.

Blatant liar exposed.
cathyb - 20 Aug 2006 10:18 GMT
> >> > > > > For TC 'the Complainer:
> >> > > > >
[quoted text clipped - 71 lines]
>
> Blatant liar exposed.

Jan, did you have a point, other than proving yet again that you don't
know the meaning of the word "lie", and that you're a half-witted,
nasty old bint?

Your jumping in here, presumably to defend Gohde, is a surprise, of
course, since he's the only person here who actually makes your vile
anti-semitism, homophobia and various other bigotries look relatively
mild.
Jan Drew - 20 Aug 2006 20:01 GMT
>> >> > > > > For TC 'the Complainer:
>> >> > > > >
[quoted text clipped - 78 lines]
>
> Jan, did you have a point,

My point is clearly posted.

other than proving yet again that you don't
> know the meaning of the word "lie", and that you're a half-witted,
> nasty old bint?

Insults and lies are noted.

> Your jumping in here, presumably to defend Gohde,

Your ASSumption is 100% wrong--as usual.

I did NOT defend Gohde.

is a surprise, of
> course, since he's the only person here who actually makes your vile
> anti-semitism, homophobia and various other bigotries look relatively
> mild.

Diversion noted.

excatholic liar.
cathyb - 21 Aug 2006 00:18 GMT
> >> >> > > > > For TC 'the Complainer:
> >> >> > > > >
[quoted text clipped - 101 lines]
>
> excatholic liar.

Jan, did you have a point, other than proving yet again that you don't
know the meaning of the word "lie", and that you're a half-witted,
nasty old bint?
Jan Drew - 21 Aug 2006 02:45 GMT
>> >> >> > > > > For TC 'the Complainer:
>> >> >> > > > >
[quoted text clipped - 111 lines]
> know the meaning of the word "lie", and that you're a half-witted,
> nasty old bint?

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.nutrition/msg/52c6f17a05858e72
Pickle-Head - 22 Aug 2006 05:04 GMT
> > For TC 'the Complainer:
> >
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>
> TC

Hi TC.

I'm so sorry to have left you hanging, but I had real work to do.  I
see that you are still quite busy being a "guru".  PT Barnum had it
right.  There IS a sucker born every minute.    Your boss is one, by
keeping you employed.  The unfortunate souls who listen to your
"insights" are more.  The second poster in the thread had it perfectly
right, but I'll spell it out for everyone:

TCs head is up his a.s.  That's how he knows that his body is still
functioning at *PEAK* efficiency.

Lick me.
PickleHead.
Mr. Natural-Health - 20 Aug 2006 22:29 GMT
Who is your favourite nutrition guru?

Who is my guru?  Why me, of course.

And, this guru has a web site. :)
--
John Gohde,
    Achieving good Nutrition is an Art, NOT a Science!

The nutrition of eating a healthy diet is a biological factor of the
mind-body connection. Now, weighing in at 18 web pages, the
Nutrition of a Healthy Diet is with more documentation and
sharper terminology than ever before.
http://naturalhealthperspective.com/food/

I just got finished moving my site to a new server. :)

It is now actually working, the way it is supposed to.  Redirection is
offically a thing of the past.

I can now have up to 500 different POP3 email accounts with
auto-responders. Complete with spam filters.

And, my new web site statistical package just blows me away.  I can
even design custom reports.

If I wanted to I can add a big database and a professional blog
package.

It is on a Linux server, so I can now store up to 15 Gigs of files off
my computer on my web site that will remain invisible to the public;
due to how Linux works.

On top of all that, I have managed to cut my operating cost down to
less than in half of what I was previously paying. :)

I am now paying the staggering sum of USA $0.004 an hour, 24 hours a
day, 7 days a week to keep my web site running.  Clearly, you clowns
could never afford $0.004 an hour to run a real web site.

Just thought that you geeks might want to know. :)
PeterB - 21 Aug 2006 18:33 GMT
> > > > > > > I wrote that sig, so I know exactly what it means.  Anybody remotely
> > > > > > > familiar with the literature should intuitively know what it means.
[quoted text clipped - 133 lines]
>
> Just thought that you might want to know.

I'm sure you realize that TC's objective is to flush you out and dilute
the message that we are responsible for our own health.   He is here to
waste your energy, if you allow him.  Congrats on the forum you've
created.  You should post a link regularly to mha in a separate thread
to create some momentum.  

PeterB
TC - 21 Aug 2006 19:14 GMT
> I'm sure you realize that TC's objective is to flush you out

You flatter godhiot the racist.

> and dilute
> the message that we are responsible for our own health.

That is my number one message. You are responsible for your own health
and the way to achieve health is to eat real, fresh, whole foods and
avoid unk manufactured crap.

>  He is here to
> waste your energy, if you allow him.

Sounds like gohdiots goals that you are commenting on.

> Congrats on the forum you've
> created.  You should post a link regularly to mha in a separate thread
> to create some momentum.
>
> PeterB

You must be kidding. You are congratulating gohde the idiot racist
about an empty forum that he created. Anyone in the whole wide web
world can create an empty forum.

TC
Pickle-Head - 22 Aug 2006 05:10 GMT
> > I'm sure you realize that TC's objective is to flush you out
>
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
>
> TC

Like you are any better, you sick, fat, doofus.  You fling your tripe
far and wide, throughout these forums, posting all manner of biased
and/or ill informed crud.

How many people have called you this on this topic alone?

Please put your hands back into your a.s so that you can't type
anymore.
Please?

PickleHead.
TC - 22 Aug 2006 17:55 GMT
> > > I'm sure you realize that TC's objective is to flush you out
> >
[quoted text clipped - 35 lines]
>
> PickleHead.

Pickelhead and Gohdiot sitting up a tree......

TC
Mr. Natural-Health - 23 Aug 2006 01:23 GMT
> > > > I'm sure you realize that TC's objective is to flush you out
> > >
[quoted text clipped - 37 lines]
>
> Pickelhead and Gohdiot sitting up a tree......

TC, please feel free to continue to whine like a stuck pig.
--
John Gohde,
    Achieving good Nutrition is an Art, NOT a Science!

The nutrition of eating a healthy diet is a biological factor of the
mind-body connection. Now, weighing in at 18 web pages, the
Nutrition of a Healthy Diet is with more documentation and
sharper terminology than ever before.
http://naturalhealthperspective.com/food/
Mr. Natural-Health - 22 Aug 2006 14:18 GMT
> > > > > > > > I wrote that sig, so I know exactly what it means.  Anybody remotely
> > > > > > > > familiar with the literature should intuitively know what it means.
[quoted text clipped - 141 lines]
>
> PeterB

YES, I agree that TC is nothing but a Troll. :)

The Google Natural Health Group is starting to pick up speed.  It will
be only a matter of time before both groups are active again, as
planned.

My longterm goal is to make both groups operate by themselves.

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Health-with-Attitude/
This Yahoo group offers both privacy and spam filtering.

http://groups.google.com/group/Natural-Health
This Google group is public.

I have been busy recovering from my major computer failure (which is
completed) and getting my website back up to speed after its recent
move.  I  have basically done that too, and I have taken steps so that
all of my web pages will be in the big 3 search engines.  Most of my
website problems will auto correct over time.

So, I have put next to no effort into promoting my yahoo and google
groups.

All that is about to change. :)

The threads on smn really, really, really suck.  :(

Now, that I have created an alternative medium to write about stuff
that I really cannot put into print on my site due to all that health
accrediation nonsense about scientific research, etc., etc., etc.; I
will nolonger have to put up with TC's crap. :)

TC, please feel free to continue to whine like a stuck pig.
--
John Gohde,
    Achieving good Nutrition is an Art, NOT a Science!

The nutrition of eating a healthy diet is a biological factor of the
mind-body connection. Now, weighing in at 18 web pages, the
Nutrition of a Healthy Diet is with more documentation and
sharper terminology than ever before.
http://naturalhealthperspective.com/food/
PeterB - 22 Aug 2006 19:05 GMT
> > > > > > > > > I wrote that sig, so I know exactly what it means.  Anybody remotely
> > > > > > > > > familiar with the literature should intuitively know what it means.
[quoted text clipped - 166 lines]
>
> All that is about to change. :)

Great.  I haven't had a chance to check it out, but I will.

> The threads on smn really, really, really suck.  :(
>
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> sharper terminology than ever before.
> http://naturalhealthperspective.com/food/
TC - 23 Aug 2006 04:48 GMT
> > > > > > > > > I wrote that sig, so I know exactly what it means.  Anybody remotely
> > > > > > > > > familiar with the literature should intuitively know what it means.
[quoted text clipped - 143 lines]
>
> YES, I agree that TC is nothing but a Troll. :)

But NOBODY cares what you think.

> The Google Natural Health Group is starting to pick up speed.  It will
> be only a matter of time before both groups are active again, as
[quoted text clipped - 36 lines]
> sharper terminology than ever before.
> http://naturalhealthperspective.com/food/
Mr. Natural-Health - 23 Aug 2006 11:44 GMT
> > YES, I agree that TC is nothing but a Troll. :)
>
> But NOBODY cares what you think.

TC, please feel free to continue to whine like a stuck pig.

I have set up two different discussion forum groups where we can
discuss this issue, healthy diets, or Natural Health and Wellness
issues in more detail.  Both groups have around 250 members each.  Why
not explain it to a new audience?

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Health-with-Attitude/
This Yahoo group offers both privacy and spam filtering.

http://groups.google.com/group/Natural-Health
This Google group is public.
TC - 23 Aug 2006 15:24 GMT
> > > YES, I agree that TC is nothing but a Troll. :)
> >
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Health-with-Attitude/
> This Yahoo group offers both privacy and spam filtering.

5 posts in 12 months. NOBODY cares about you and your group.

> http://groups.google.com/group/Natural-Health
> This Google group is public.

120 posts since December of 2004 and they are pretty much all from
gohdiot.

NOBODY cares. You are irrelevant. You are less than irrelevant. You are
a boil on the a.s of society. Nothing more than a pain and a nuisance.
The world will be a better place without you.

You are an irrelevant racist idiot. Consider yourself killfiled.

TC
bob_jones_us_1@yahoo.com - 23 Aug 2006 16:15 GMT
I've been reading through these groups to research fitness for some
time now.  I have to say something because it's insane for a person to
call himself "Mr. Natural" that claims to know so much about health yet
you can even socialize like a normal human being.  You really should
start posting in the mental health section of the groups, you need
help.
> > > > YES, I agree that TC is nothing but a Troll. :)
> > >
[quoted text clipped - 25 lines]
>
> TC
TC - 23 Aug 2006 17:20 GMT
Are you responding to me or to John Gohde the idiot Mr. Natural Health.

TC

> I've been reading through these groups to research fitness for some
> time now.  I have to say something because it's insane for a person to
[quoted text clipped - 31 lines]
> >
> > TC
Pickle-Head - 24 Aug 2006 04:53 GMT
> Are you responding to me or to John Gohde the idiot Mr. Natural Health.
>
> TC

I believe Mr. bob_jones' comments were directed at Mr Health.  However,
your posts and behaviour in the many groups you post to lead me to
think that you should have been the target.  Some of Mr. Gohdes posts
are certainly suspect, but at least he owns up to the mistakes he does
make and refrains from posting unsolicited trash.  That's far more that
I can say about you, TC.  Care to prove me wrong?

PH.
TC - 24 Aug 2006 16:38 GMT
> > Are you responding to me or to John Gohde the idiot Mr. Natural Health.
> >
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> PH.

Who asked you? You have no legs to stand on. You've never posted
ANYTHING except ad hominem. You and Gohde make a good pair.

TC
Pickle-Head - 25 Aug 2006 03:48 GMT
> Who asked you? You have no legs to stand on. You've never posted
> ANYTHING except ad hominem. You and Gohde make a good pair.
>
> TC

Lets pick that apart shall we?

1) Who asked me?
Why, Tony Burch did when he started this thread.

2) I have no legs to stand on?
I do a lot of lurking on these groups and am familiar with the posts,
styles and leanings of the regulars, including yourself.
I have a fairly good knowledge about who posts what and the associated
quality thereof.  My knowledge is first hand.  This gives me legs.
Long ones.

3) I've never posted anything except "ad hominem".  (Nice phrase.  How
long did it take you to google that up?)
For those who don't know, an "ad hominem" is where someone attacks a
person in an attempt to descredit their ideas.
Example: "Because TC sucks, his posts are crap."

Two points:
a) Your posts ARE crap.  Your ideas ARE crap.  To quote a previous
post:
"TC trolls the net to find whatever biased tidbit of info that seems to
support whatever argument he is trying to make.  Often, his posts are
flame bait, biased, or simply cockeyed. All it takes is a quick search
of these groups to see all manner
of contradictory, mis-informed, or otherwise ignorant rambling from
him."

My pointing this out has upset you and your responses have been
quite... colorful.  To quote another post:
"If you don't like it, f.ck off. Some people find my posts useful. If
you don't, then f.ck off or killfile me. It is your perogative."
Nice.  Because of this treatment, I have developed a dislike for you as
a person and I have expressed that on occasion.
But that does NOT constitute any sort of "ad hominem" attack.  One
needs sound ideas to discredit in the first place...

b) Anything?  I would think that my thoughts on the matter of who a
"favorite guru" as posted in this thread are not only useful,
but serve as a warning to those who are new to these groups or those
who may not know better.  In short:
There may be several "gurus" within these groups, by my opinion as well
as the opinions of many others here, point out that you are not one of
them.

4) You and Gohde make a good pair?
Well, it seems that John G. agrees with my opinion of you.  Him and
numerous others, as I have already discussed.

I hope this clears up any misunderstandings you may have.

PH
TC - 25 Aug 2006 03:55 GMT
> > Who asked you? You have no legs to stand on. You've never posted
> > ANYTHING except ad hominem. You and Gohde make a good pair.
[quoted text clipped - 53 lines]
>
> PH

sounds to me as if you are john g.
Pickle-Head - 26 Aug 2006 01:48 GMT
> > > Who asked you? You have no legs to stand on. You've never posted
> > > ANYTHING except ad hominem. You and Gohde make a good pair.
[quoted text clipped - 55 lines]
>
> sounds to me as if you are john g.

Good job!  Now THAT's an "ad hominim" attack!
But you're wrong as usual.  Like I said in point 2 above, I know the
posters here.  John G is generally "louder" and less verbose than I am.
Besides, he seems busy enough to not  have time for another avatar.
He also dosen't need one.  He takes care of himself.

You, on the other hand, seem to crave all the support you can get.
Like a needy, attention seeking child.

I'm still laughing at you.
PH.
Mr. Natural-Health - 25 Aug 2006 20:14 GMT
> I've been reading through these groups to research fitness for some
> time now.  I have to say something because it's insane for a person to
> call himself "Mr. Natural" that claims to know so much about health yet
> you can even socialize like a normal human being.  You really should
> start posting in the mental health section of the groups, you need
> help.

I do NOT socialize on the Internet.  I certainly do NOT socialize with
Kooks and Slime Balls, like TC, who post on these ngs. Only mentally
ill people, like you. apparently do.

Here is my advice to you.  Get a life.  Get a brain transplant.  And,
do your socializing in public, like a NORMAL person which you obvioulsy
are NOT!!!

Nobody, and I shall repeat for the benefit of the mentally ill Kooks on
these ngs, but nobody who is remotely sane socializes on these ngs.

Just thought that you might want to know who the mentally ill person is
here.

> > > > > YES, I agree that TC is nothing but a Troll. :)
> > > >
[quoted text clipped - 25 lines]
> >
> > TC
Marshall Price - 18 Aug 2006 04:04 GMT
> The mind-body connection is slang for the more fully developed
> biopsychosocial model of health and disease.

We have Descartes to thank for the mind-body dichotomy!  :-)

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Mr. Natural-Health - 15 Aug 2006 01:07 GMT
> > Hi all,
> >
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
> I am recovering from yet another major computer crash. :(

Even though I was  using a really slow computer, I was still able to
transfer my website to a new server.  This computer only has 28K of
RAM. :(

Today, I bought a Dell DHP computer for $150 from Jesus Saves Thrift
Shop in Richmond, VA.  All the software was operational and included.
:)

http://www.propertyroom.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce3/ProductDisplay?prrfnbr=65035909&p
rmenbr=31895249&aunbr=65382619

One Dell DHP desktop computer with XP Professional operating system.
Features:  Intel Pentium 4 2.26GHz processor, 256MB of RAM, 40GB hard
drive, one cd-rom drive, one floppy drive, keyboard, mouse and 14 inch
monitor.  Measurements:  13.75" x 4" x 12.5".

My web journeys should get smoother.  Everytime I buy another computer,
I get more value for less and less money. :)

TC who?,  I say.  Sorry, but I have my own flock of followers to attend
to.  I do not have time for mentally challenged low achievers who are
unable to keep up with 150 year old literature on the mind-body
connection.

Remember this TC,  Jesus saved me from my computer troubles.  I will
pray for your salvation, TC.  :)
Mr. Natural-Health - 15 Aug 2006 01:08 GMT
> > Hi all,
> >
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
> I am recovering from yet another major computer crash. :(

Even though I was  using a really slow computer, I was still able to
transfer my website to a new server.  This computer only has 28K of
RAM. :(

Today, I bought a Dell DHP computer for $150 from Jesus Saves Thrift
Shop in Richmond, VA.  All the software was operational and included.
:)

http://www.propertyroom.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce3/ProductDisplay?prrfnbr=65035909&p
rmenbr=31895249&aunbr=65382619

One Dell DHP desktop computer with XP Professional operating system.
Features:  Intel Pentium 4 2.26GHz processor, 256MB of RAM, 40GB hard
drive, one cd-rom drive, one floppy drive, keyboard, mouse and 14 inch
monitor.  Measurements:  13.75" x 4" x 12.5".

My web journeys should get smoother.  Everytime I buy another computer,
I get more value for less and less money. :)

TC who?,  I say.  Sorry, but I have my own flock of followers to attend
to.  I do not have time for mentally challenged low achievers who are
unable to keep up with 150 year old literature on the mind-body
connection.

Remember this TC,  Jesus saved me from my computer troubles.  I will
pray for your salvation, TC.  :)
Mr. Natural-Health - 10 Aug 2006 22:02 GMT
> Hi all,
>
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> Who is your favourite guru & why?

Me, myself, I and moi. :)
http://naturalhealthperspective.com/food/

I am recovering from yet another major computer crash. :(
 
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