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B 12 shot? I have lack of energy whole life

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stryped - 27 Jun 2006 19:28 GMT
I would like to have more energy. I am male 34. I have had numberous
blood tests and everything tests normal. I exercise and eat right.

I have heard b-12 shots can give you energy. Is this true? Can taking
the vitamin supplement do the same thing?

Thanks for any input!
Ron Peterson - 27 Jun 2006 20:23 GMT
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> I would like to have more energy. I am male 34. I have had numberous
> blood tests and everything tests normal. I exercise and eat right.

Are you falling asleep at work? Are you getting enough sleep at night?
Sleep apnea causes problems.

Being overweight will cut down on your energy.

Tell us what you eat during the day.

> I have heard b-12 shots can give you energy. Is this true? Can taking
> the vitamin supplement do the same thing?

Caffeine or some other drugs can give you more "energy". The so-called
b-12 shots usually had other substances in it.

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stryped - 27 Jun 2006 20:43 GMT
It does not matter what I eat. I am still the same. I try to eat a high
protein low carb during the day and it helps a little.
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> Caffeine or some other drugs can give you more "energy". The so-called
> b-12 shots usually had other substances in it.
Ron Peterson - 27 Jun 2006 21:05 GMT
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Why are you putting no archive on?

> It does not matter what I eat. I am still the same. I try to eat a high
> protein low carb during the day and it helps a little.

There are other nutrients besides carbs and protein. If you're not
overweight, complex carbs might help.

How much alcohol do you consume?

Do you smoke?

Are you getting plenty of fiber?

Are you getting calcium?

Are you eating vegetables which contain a variety of nutrients?

Are you getting omega-3 fatty acids?

Are you taking vitamin supplements such vitamin C, vitamin D, and the B
vitamins?

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stryped - 28 Jun 2006 13:33 GMT
I am 6 feet around 180. I lightly lift weights for 20- 30 minutes in
the morning 5 days a week. I run 2.6 miles in about 20-22 minutes 3-4
days a week.

I might consume one drink every other day.
I take vitamin c tablets.
I take a multivitamin when I can remember.
I dont smoke.
I take a small amount of androgel for low normal testosterone.
For breakfast I eat a diet breakfast bar, a bannana, and a diet Mt Dew.

For lunch I eat roasted turkey, peas, apple, Diet Mt Dew

I eat whatever my wife cooks for supper.

I eat turkey jerky and blueberries as snacks during the day.

This diet is only dring the week. I eat a little more different stuff
when I am home on the weekends.

But I really feel my diet is not contributing. Even when I was younger
and in school I would come home and pass out on the couch. My mom once
asked my dad if I was on drugs because of this. (I was not).

I would just like to have more energy and a positive additude.
SOmetimes I get depressed a little.
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> Are you taking vitamin supplements such vitamin C, vitamin D, and the B
> vitamins?
Mr. Natural-Health - 28 Jun 2006 13:45 GMT
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> I would just like to have more energy and a positive additude.
> SOmetimes I get depressed a little.

There is both a physical and a mental element to feeling tired.

I would try taking St. John's Wort which you can buy at most vitamin
retailers.  It is for treating mild depression.  Give it at least 3
weeks.  Just follow the directions on the bottle.

If that doesn't do it, I would try working on your diet.  More food in
general, and a lot more vegetables and other higher quality natural
foods.
--
John Gohde,
    Achieving good Nutrition is an Art, NOT a Science!

The nutrition of eating a healthy diet is a biological factor of the
mind-body connection. Now, weighing in at 18 web pages, the
Nutrition of a Healthy Diet is with more documentation and
sharper terminology than ever before.
http://naturalhealthperspective.com/food/
Ron Peterson - 28 Jun 2006 14:16 GMT
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> I am 6 feet around 180. I lightly lift weights for 20- 30 minutes in
> the morning 5 days a week. I run 2.6 miles in about 20-22 minutes 3-4
> days a week.

> I might consume one drink every other day.
> I take vitamin c tablets.
> I take a multivitamin when I can remember.
> I dont smoke.
> I take a small amount of androgel for low normal testosterone.

I would say that you're basically very healthy and have a good life
style.

> For breakfast I eat a diet breakfast bar, a bannana, and a diet Mt Dew.

Try a glass of skim milk instead of the diet Mt. Dew to get some
calcium and a little extra protein. You might add an orange to that mix
for added potassium and fiber.

> For lunch I eat roasted turkey, peas, apple, Diet Mt Dew

> I eat whatever my wife cooks for supper.

> I eat turkey jerky and blueberries as snacks during the day.

Try a can of sardines a couple times a week for a snack which will give
you a little more omega-3 fatty acids.

> This diet is only dring the week. I eat a little more different stuff
> when I am home on the weekends.

> But I really feel my diet is not contributing. Even when I was younger
> and in school I would come home and pass out on the couch. My mom once
> asked my dad if I was on drugs because of this. (I was not).

That sounds like narcolepsy which sometimes goes away as you age. It
might now surface as a slight obsessive/compulsive disease.

> I would just like to have more energy and a positive additude.
> SOmetimes I get depressed a little.

I don't think that diet will change your situation much. You might have
a slight medical condition that is causing your problem and this isn't
the right newsgroup to give you the hints that you need.

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stryped - 28 Jun 2006 15:51 GMT
I hate sardienes!

By the way, is there a diet that can help a guy "down there"? I
sometimes have a problem "getting and keeping" if you know what I mean.
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> a slight medical condition that is causing your problem and this isn't
> the right newsgroup to give you the hints that you need.
Ron Peterson - 28 Jun 2006 16:56 GMT
> I hate sardienes!

Try herring, oysters, or clams instead. You can get omega-3 fatty acids
from capsules that will give you what you need -- you want EPA and DHA
content to total over 500 mg/day -- the super concentrated is more
economical.

> By the way, is there a diet that can help a guy "down there"? I
> sometimes have a problem "getting and keeping" if you know what I mean.

The omega-3 should help. But you may need to get your blood pressure
down, which can be done a little bit by cutting down on salt. Try
eating watermelon on a regular basis this summer. Get a blood pressure
cuff to check and check your daily readings for a week. If you are
consistently over 135 systolic, get a prescription for an ACE inhibitor
or angiotensin blocker. Doctors like to prescribe hydrochlorothiazide,
but make sure they don't give you more than a minimal dose. Some blood
pressure medications, like beta blockers, will exacerbate your
condition depending on your physiology, so change if they do.

You might want to cut out meats containing nitrates.

The Androgel takes a while, so you may need to use Viagra (which works
by dilating blood vessels) for a few months. Keep the dosage small and
costs low by splitting the 100s into quarters. You may only need to use
it temporarily.

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stryped - 28 Jun 2006 19:13 GMT
Tried Viagra. It made my heart go crazy and I have an irregular
heartbeat soemtimes to this day. SO I am afraid to take it.

I bought some ground flax seed at lunch to sprinkle over my fruit when
I eat it. It said it was a plant estrogen. Since it is an estrogen,
will it exaserbate my problem? I also bought some fish oil capsules.
Will it hurt to also take baby asprin?

> > I hate sardienes!
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> costs low by splitting the 100s into quarters. You may only need to use
> it temporarily.
Ron Peterson - 28 Jun 2006 20:55 GMT
> Tried Viagra. It made my heart go crazy and I have an irregular
> heartbeat soemtimes to this day. SO I am afraid to take it.

Did the Viagra work? I suggested splitting to reduce the chance of side
effects.

> I bought some ground flax seed at lunch to sprinkle over my fruit when
> I eat it. It said it was a plant estrogen. Since it is an estrogen,
> will it exaserbate my problem? I also bought some fish oil capsules.

Flax seed isn't an estrogen, but use the fish oil capsules instead. Soy
does have some estrogen properties, so avoid soy.

> Will it hurt to also take baby asprin?

Therapeutic aspirin (81 mg) won't do you any good at your young age and
may increase your risk of blood loss in an accident.

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stryped - 28 Jun 2006 21:36 GMT
Thanks so much for your help!

I did split the dose. It definitwely helps some. But for some reason
the next few days I would have periods of not being able to catch my
breath it scared me.

So I should not eat the flax seed I bought? Will it cause negative
things?

The fish oil I bought is 1200 mg. It is omega 3 and 6. it says to take
it 3 times a day. I just took it for one. I guess I need to take it 3.
Does it matter with meals?

Doesnt fish oil make your blood thinner like asprin? Is it safe for me
then if in an accident>

> > Tried Viagra. It made my heart go crazy and I have an irregular
> > heartbeat soemtimes to this day. SO I am afraid to take it.
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> Therapeutic aspirin (81 mg) won't do you any good at your young age and
> may increase your risk of blood loss in an accident.
Mr. Natural-Health - 29 Jun 2006 00:18 GMT
>I hate sardienes!

>By the way, is there a diet that can help a guy "down there"? I
>sometimes have a problem "getting and keeping" if you know what I mean.

>I bought some ground flax seed at lunch to sprinkle over my fruit when
>I eat it. It said it was a plant estrogen. Since it is an estrogen,
>will it exaserbate my problem?

>Doesnt fish oil make your blood thinner like asprin? Is it safe for me
>then if in an accident?

This is precisely why I don't like to respond to these type of threads.

This thread has now become absurd. You are not the most importnat
person on the planet. And, there are no quick fixes to natural health.

It could be almost anything.  Your chronic low blood pressure / pulse
rate is probably part of the problem.  And, that says to me that you
are not physically active despite your claims of regular exercise.

Good luck in tracking your problem down.
stryped - 29 Jun 2006 13:22 GMT
Despite what you believe, I lift wieghts 20-30 mintues lightly every
morning and jog 2.6 miles 3- 4 days a week. but I had the low blood
pressure even before exercising.

Any, to me, I am the most important person on the planet. I am sure you
are to yourself as well.

> >I hate sardienes!
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> Good luck in tracking your problem down.
Mr. Natural-Health - 29 Jun 2006 14:51 GMT
> Any, to me, I am the most important person on the planet. I am sure you
> are to yourself as well.

Sorry, but you are not the only person on this ng.

Gee, I have had this problem all my life.  But, I am too good to do
anything about it.  The longer this thread goes on the more secrets,
that I will reveal like low blood pressure and diabetes.

Give me a break.  Go to a professional and give them all your money.
And, STOP wasting my time on your nonsense. :)
Ron Peterson - 29 Jun 2006 00:49 GMT
> I did split the dose. It definitwely helps some. But for some reason
> the next few days I would have periods of not being able to catch my
> breath it scared me.

It probably lowered your blood pressure too much.

> So I should not eat the flax seed I bought? Will it cause negative
> things?

You can eat the flax seed. It won't cause negative things unless it
goes rancid. Just keep it in the refrigerator and discard what you
don't use in a couple of months.

> The fish oil I bought is 1200 mg. It is omega 3 and 6. it says to take
> it 3 times a day. I just took it for one. I guess I need to take it 3.

You don't want the kind with omega-6, since that is already present in
your diet. You can use them up,  just add the mg of DHA to the
milligrams of EPA and figure out how many make 500 mg, but don't take
more than 3.

> Does it matter with meals?

No. But, they may have a fishy taste.

> Doesnt fish oil make your blood thinner like asprin? Is it safe for me
> then if in an accident>

3 capsules a day, won't make your blood much thinner. If knicks while
shaving bleed too much, start taking vitamin K.

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stryped - 28 Jun 2006 19:16 GMT
My pressure is almost always on the lower end. ZEspecially my pulse. It
averages around 50. Pressure maybe 110/70. My problem is very
frustrating. It is not all the time but alot.

> > I hate sardienes!
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> costs low by splitting the 100s into quarters. You may only need to use
> it temporarily.
Ron Peterson - 28 Jun 2006 20:47 GMT
> My pressure is almost always on the lower end. ZEspecially my pulse. It
> averages around 50. Pressure maybe 110/70. My problem is very
> frustrating. It is not all the time but alot.

It looks like you have constant hypotension although your blood
pressure is a little above what would cause that diagnosis.

Try adding more caffeine to your diet, sodas only have a fifth of what
coffee has.

Drink more water (sports drinks have a little extra sodium and
potassium which should help).

You can probably up your salt intake to increase your body fluid level.

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stryped - 29 Jun 2006 14:14 GMT
I just check the bp this mornign. It is 120/58 with a pulse of 54. Is
this abnormal?

> > My pressure is almost always on the lower end. ZEspecially my pulse. It
> > averages around 50. Pressure maybe 110/70. My problem is very
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> You can probably up your salt intake to increase your body fluid level.
Ron Peterson - 30 Jun 2006 03:42 GMT
> I just check the bp this mornign. It is 120/58 with a pulse of 54. Is
> this abnormal?

No.

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Mr. Natural-Health - 30 Jun 2006 14:29 GMT
> > I just check the bp this mornign. It is 120/58 with a pulse of 54. Is
> > this abnormal?
>
> No.

Having been there myself low blood pressure would be 90/60 or lower.  I
would say that the dude has in fact slightly high blood pressure.  My
pulse is around 60 and I don't run at all.  Then we are talking about a
morning reading and not during the day.

This idiot needs to go to a professional, so they can access what
reality is.  The dude should  make up some story and stick to it.  Let
the professionals take your blood pressure.  Give them all your money.
They wont do anything for you, except burn up a whole lot of money on
tests.
Ron Peterson - 01 Jul 2006 04:22 GMT
> Having been there myself low blood pressure would be 90/60 or lower.  I
> would say that the dude has in fact slightly high blood pressure.  My
> pulse is around 60 and I don't run at all.  Then we are talking about a
> morning reading and not during the day.

I found the following at ABC News:

"Dr. Michael Roizen and Dr. Mehmet Oz, authors of The New York Times
best seller "You: The Owner's Manual," say that blood pressure is the
key to healthy arteries, and arteries are the key to aging.

The average national blood pressure is too high, according to Oz and
Roizen. They said the ideal blood pressure is 115/75. The average is
130/86."

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Mr. Natural-Health - 01 Jul 2006 11:36 GMT
> > Having been there myself low blood pressure would be 90/60 or lower.  I
> > would say that the dude has in fact slightly high blood pressure.  My
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> Roizen. They said the ideal blood pressure is 115/75. The average is
> 130/86."

Ooooh!  Want to quote web pages?  How about these?

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/1999/09/990921072523.htm
"New evidence from the National Heart, Lung, and Blood Institute's
Framingham Heart Study finds that systolic blood pressure, far more
than diastolic blood pressure, identifies patients with hypertension,"

http://www.neurologyreviews.com/mar03/mar03_bloodpressure.html
"Each 10 mm Hg increase in morning blood pressure was associated with a
44% increase in the risk of stroke. The difference between morning and
evening blood pressures was also independently associated with stroke
risk, with each 10 mm Hg increase associated with a 24% increase in
stroke."

http://www.bhf.org.uk/hearthealth/index.asp?secondlevel=78&thirdlevel=169&artID=475
"Blood pressure also tends to rise with age, particularly the systolic
pressure. So, what is acceptable for a 70-year-old may be high for a
30-year-old."

So, what is acceptable for a 70 year old?  The usual number given is
110/70.  So, 120 is slightly higher than 110 especially when you
consider that our subject is ONLY 34 years old.

So, Ron how about defining 'slightly high blood pressure' for a 34 year
old who complains about feeling tired with low BP who regularly runs?
I just did. :)

Who says so?  I do. :)
Leonardo - 01 Jul 2006 15:49 GMT
> The average national blood pressure is too high, according to Oz and
> Roizen. They said the ideal blood pressure is 115/75. The average is
> 130/86."

Who is "they"? The pharmaceutical companies? I think "they" won't be
happy until we are all taking some sort of medication.

p
Ron Peterson - 07 Jul 2006 01:47 GMT
> > The average national blood pressure is too high, according to Oz and
> > Roizen. They said the ideal blood pressure is 115/75. The average is
> > 130/86."

> Who is "they"? The pharmaceutical companies? I think "they" won't be
> happy until we are all taking some sort of medication.

The "they" is Oz aind Roizen. The pharmaceutical companies are out to
make money, so they look for products that relieve symptoms rather than
cure.

I think most in this newsgroup would like to find some nutritional
supplement to lower blood pressure. Or, if  all else fails, restrict
the diet in some way or exercise.

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TC - 28 Jun 2006 17:28 GMT
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> I would just like to have more energy and a positive additude.
> SOmetimes I get depressed a little.

A good b vitamin complex, stress formula. Two a day, in the morning
with food. Or one in the morning with food and one at lunch or supper
with food. Not before bed!

Also a minimum of 3000 mgs of vitamin C per day in smaller doses
thruout the day if possible.

Try it, it did me a world of good in terms of anxiety/depression and
general energy levels.

Also try to eat real foods, avoid fake manufactured foods. Fresh meats
and fresh produce.

TC
mamounjo3@yahoo.com - 29 Jun 2006 02:14 GMT
This diet that you eat will contribute to your fatigue.  For example,
drinking diet Mt. Dew is a big mistake.  The Mt. Dew is loaded with a
huge amount of caffeine, which will over-work your brain and fatigue it
from the resulting build-up of free-radicals from too much
hyper-concentration.  The Mt. Dew is also loaded with preservatives,
which may in some people cause headaches and a sense of queesiness.
Also, any "diet" foods are processed food products that contain
artificial ingredients including artificial sugars and preservatives,
which are not good for the body since they are "foreign" chemicals.
Eating turkey jerkey is also a big fatigue producer.  Any jerkey meats
will contain smoked meats, which contain free radicals that rapidly
cause aging, and preservatives (such as nitrites) which contribute to a
sense of unease.  In general your diet seems to consist of proteins and
simple carbohydrates. bananas, for example, have a super-high glycemic
index and can lead to a flood of sugar in your body, followed by an
insulin rush, followed by a crash in blood sugar, resulting in fatigue.
Also, the risk with any protein diet is this: animal meats contain
many different proteins, many of which are foreign to the human body.
The body may therefore experience inflammation as it attempts to attack
the foreign animal proteins.  This can give rise to subtle inflammation
in your entire body, which can lead to a subtle sense of fatigue.  This
is mostly holistic, not scientific advice.

Here is a better idea: make COMPLEX carbohydrates the staple of your
diet. Eliminate any processed foods.  Read the labels on all the foods
you eat and eliminate anything with artificial dyes, preservatives and
additives.  Go to a health food store and buy a dictionary of food
additives to be able to recognize them. Do not eat any fast food, ever.
Avoid drinking milk, which is notorious for containing foreign animal
proteins.

For example, for breakfast and lunch you might consume 1/2 a cup of
pasta with tomato sauce or canned organic tomatos.  You might drink a
small can of pineapple juice fortified with vitamin E (such as Dole
brand).  In the evening, eat what you like as long as it is home-cooked
or free of any additives, preservatives, or dyes.  Preferably only eat
organic foods.  Restrict fat to about 10% maximum of diet, mostly fish
fat.  Eat a bowl of organic, vitamin-fortified cereal at night,
preferably not with milk or soymilk but with water.  Avoid eating
typical boxed breakfast cereals at the supermarket, because they tend
to be loaded with simple sugars, dyes and preservatives.  Along with
your breakfast, eat a 100 mg. tablet of alpha lipoic acid, an
anti-oxidant found in your local health food store.  If you eat pasta
with tomato sauce for breakfast and lunch, so that breakfast and lunch
consist purely of low-fat, low-protein vegatable matter and complex
carbohydrates, you should within a few days notice a big increase in
your energy level.
Eliminate all caffeine and additives, dyes and preservatives!  If you
want caffeine, you might consume a mug of authentic japanese green tea
(in the form of loose tea leaves and twigs) once per day.  Think of all
soda as a form of poison, because they consist of sugar, caffeine,
dyes, preservatives...The regular consumption of tomatos, particularly
organic stewed tomatos, boosts energy and prevents fatigue, because
tomatos contain powerful age-preventing anti-oxidants.

Consider adopting a macrobiotic diet, which basically will meet all the
diet advice suggested above.  read some of Raymond Kurzweil's books on
diet and nutrition.

--JM

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stryped - 29 Jun 2006 13:16 GMT
I am sorry but cereal with water? Cant do that.

Also, I need cafeinne. As stated abouve I have a low pulse and it helps
me feel better. I have been thinking about drinking more tea and less
cola though.

Been trying  to eat a lower carb diet because diabetes runs in my
family.

Is there anythign wrong on snacking with peanuts and blueberry's
throughout the day?

Also, I hate fish!
> This diet that you eat will contribute to your fatigue.  For example,
> drinking diet Mt. Dew is a big mistake.  The Mt. Dew is loaded with a
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> > > vitamins?
mamounjo3@yahoo.com - 30 Jun 2006 03:22 GMT
get rid of soda.

it is good to eat a lower carb diet, if you are eating less of SIMPLE
carbohydrates. However, eating COMPLEX carbohydrates (oatmeal, brown
rice, slightly undercooked pasta) can help in diabetes by ensuring a
steady supply of low-level of blood sugar. If you want caffeine, drink
green tea.  But caffeine will lead to fatigue if its consumption is not
balanced with complex carbohydrates and adequate vegetable and
nutrient/vitamin intake.

Peanuts are a heavy food, with lots of saturated fat and protein.  If
roasted and salted, they are less healthy and can contribute to
fatigue.  They also contain tiny amounts of aflatoxin, which has
carcinogenic qualities.  Fresh blueberries are a good food, but
combined with peanuts the result is probably too "unbalanced" a food
combination. You are balancing the fatigue of saturated fats and
foreign plant proteins, with the mood swings and crashes associated
with high-sugar blueberries.

Anchor your diet with complex carbohydrates, with sparing amounts of
protein from things like peanuts, sparing amounts of high-sugar fruits,
and large amounts of vegetables and stewed tomatos.  Drink green tea
for stimulation.

Cereal with water can be tasty.  Try getting "Barbara's" brand of
organic vitamin-fortified processed oatmeal cereal.

If you don't want to change, that's okay, just continue to be Mr.
Sluggo.

--JM

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lexus - 06 Jul 2006 15:50 GMT
are you alive att all?
;)

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