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Medical Forum / General / Nutrition / May 2006Dietary Guildlines
Hello, I'm attempting to find heart healthy and diabetic friendly guildlines in the form of recommended daily nutritional values (e.g. fat, saturated far, fibre etc.). The guildlines must be from an authoratative source. Also, is there a resource where I can find a definition of what is considered a "Good Source of Fibre", or "Reduced/Low Sodium"? Does anyone know where I may find such information? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Brent > Hello, > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Thanks, > Brent Protein Power, by the Eades. Susan <just an appreciative reader> Posted via google: not sure why it set it to no archive... > Hello, > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Does anyone know where I may find such information? Any help would be > greatly appreciated. The Google Search engine. If you cannot find that with Google,YOU are not trying very hard. Cheers ... Finding "sources" using Google is the easy part. Finding authoratative sources is not so easy! Perhaps I should elaborate on my question and ask what is considered to be the definitive source for such information? Respectfully, Brent > Finding "sources" using Google is the easy part. Finding authoratative > sources is not so easy! Perhaps I should elaborate on my question and [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Respectfully, > Brent Okay, then read the bibliography for Protein Power. It's the only scientifically accurate one of the popular diet books that I know of. Susan Damn. -and I thought I was done buying diet books.. :) > x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Susan > Finding "sources" using Google is the easy part. Finding authoratative > sources is not so easy! Perhaps I should elaborate on my question and > ask what is considered to be the definitive source for such > information? Ha, ... Hah, Ha! You can search Google on that question you know. For me, I would simply restrict my searches to the educational domain diabetes OR diabetic "dietary guidelines" site:.edu or diabetes OR diabetic "dietary interventions" site:.edu You could also try the .gov and .org domains, for lower quality info. -- John Gohde, Achieving good Nutrition is an Art, NOT a Science! The nutrition of eating a healthy diet is a biological factor of the mind-body connection. Now, weighing in at 18 web pages, the Nutrition of a Healthy Diet is with more documentation and sharper terminology than ever before. http://naturalhealthperspective.com/food/ In the US, we spell fibre "fiber". What I'd try on Google is: dietary fiber soluble insoluble site:gov I'd be inclined to trust the Federal science and health agencies above all, at least as sources of "conventional wisdom". > Finding "sources" using Google is the easy part. Finding authoratative > sources is not so easy! Perhaps I should elaborate on my question and > ask what is considered to be the definitive source for such > information?  SignatureMarshall Price of Miami Known to Yahoo as d021317c > Hello, > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Thanks, > Brent Peoples response to diet wrt to heart disease may be slightly different depending upon the underlying metabolic problems reflected in a Berkeley Blood panel or something similar. Check out Robert Superko's book "Before the Heart Attacks" where he has slightly different amounts of fat/carb/protein based on your lipid profile, particle sizes etc. You do not have to have a Berkeley lipid profile done but the book will give you an idea of what some of the issues are. A generally good book on nutrition is probably Walter Willet's "Eat drink and be healthy". Most of the recommendations are evidence based and the useful thing is that the base of his pyramid starts with exercise. As a heart patient you will be advised to go on a low fat diet by some sources and a good book examining why this might not be a good idea for some people is "Low fat lies, High fat frauds" by Kevin Vigilante. If you do not want to obsess just control the amount of food you eat (try for a small energy deficit) and exercise. Combine this with trying to eliminate as much saturated & trans fat and substitute with mono unsaturated like olive and canola oil. Roland > > Hello, > > > > I'm attempting to find heart healthy and diabetic friendly guildlines > > in the form of recommended daily nutritional values (e.g. fat, > > saturated far, fibre etc.). The guildlines must be from an > > authoratative source. Also do a google search on Lyon diet Heart study. It is a specific application of a mediterranean diet (which you can also search for). There are several good books on this kind of diet. This diet was so effective in secondary prevention that the study was halted early because it would have been unethical to let the control group not have the benefit of the diet. Roland > I'm attempting to find heart healthy and diabetic friendly guildlines > in the form of recommended daily nutritional values (e.g. fat, > saturated far, fibre etc.). The guildlines must be from an > authoratative source. Try http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/healthy-diet/NU00200 (It's not very detailed, but it is a start.) SignatureRon >>I'm attempting to find heart healthy and diabetic friendly guildlines >>in the form of recommended daily nutritional values (e.g. fat, [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Try http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/healthy-diet/NU00200 > (It's not very detailed, but it is a start.) It's total crap. For one thing, it confuses carbohydrates as synonymous with glucose. Susan Susan <nevermind@nomail.com> wrote in part: >x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >Susan Hmmm. Let's see what else the great Mayo Clinic says... "Saturated fat is the main dietary culprit in raising your blood cholesterol and increasing your risk of coronary artery disease." Not calories...not carbs...not trans-fat. There ya have it: Saturated fat = heart disease. "...fat is a very concentrated energy source, providing twice as many calories per gram as carbohydrates and protein." I have trouble understanding the significance of that. Let's invert it: *...fat is very light, providing half as many grams per calorie as carbohydrates and protein.* Nope, I still don't get it. Are grams good for you? Do we need really heavy foods? Does the weight of food we consume really matter that much? "Recommendation: Limit fat to 20 percent to 35 percent of your daily calories." Ah...that way you get more grams of food each day. But...is there a study that shows that eating mostly light foods (low grams per calorie) is healthy? Good stuff. ;-) -- Jim Chinnis Warrenton, Virginia, USA jchinnis@alum.mit.edu > Susan <nevermind@nomail.com> wrote in part: > [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > > Good stuff. ;-) It's even stoopider than that; what I didn't bother taking issue with before is the "at least 130 grams of carbs per day" recommendation. This is based upon absolute misunderstanding of human biochemistry. They are going with the extreme high figure for brain glucose requirements daily (100-130 grams, variably). Then they're saying you need *at least* 130 grams of dietary carbohydate to meet it. This despite the fact that 58% of dietary protein converts to glucose; there is no essential carbohydrate in human nutrition. Further, the brain will preferentially run on ketones when they're available, bringing down the glucose requirement to 40-60 grams per day within a few weeks. Brains run *better* on ketones, hence their use in therapeutics, like epilepsy. Susan This is why I declined to make any specific recommendations. smn is just crawling with Kooks, who are quick to attack anyone who does not agree with their kooky ideas. Brent, you should ignore these people. And ignore anything that comes up under "guildlines". Those dietary guilds are well-known conspiracies! What you probably meant was "guiltlines". ;-) > This is why I declined to make any specific recommendations. > > smn is just crawling with Kooks, who are quick to attack anyone who > does not agree with their kooky ideas. > > Brent, you should ignore these people. SignatureMarshall Price of Miami Known to Yahoo as d021317c In Google Land, this thread has been deemed dead, finished, completed because it has remained dormant for over 30 days. Unfortunately a variety of Kooks, persist in being illogical. Just thought that all you Kooks out there, might want to give it up!!! > And ignore anything that comes up under "guildlines". Those dietary > guilds are well-known conspiracies! [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > > > Brent, you should ignore these people. > Hello, > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Thanks, > Brent go to the ftc or fda web sites. Since these are label claims, they are regulated by the government. |
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