Thanks for your typical unbiased scientific view.

TC 'The Complainer' complains, yet again. :(

Maybe be you need some BRAN in your diet in order to flush out that bug
that has been living up your Arse for the last few years?

Only a nutrition fool would write something so foolish as: "Fibre is
indigestible crap that does nothing for you nutritionally."  BRAN
certainly does a lot for you nutritionally..

BRAN provides a big health benefit.  If something that provides a major
health benefit is not called a nutrient, or is not considered to have
improved your nutrition, then science needs to revise their
definitions.
http://naturalhealthperspective.com/food/whole-grains.html
--
John Gohde,
    Achieving good Nutrition is an Art, NOT a Science!

The nutrition of eating a healthy diet is a biological factor of the
mind-body connection. Now, weighing in at 18 web pages, the
Nutrition of a Healthy Diet is with more documentation and
sharper terminology than ever before.
http://naturalhealthperspective.com/food/

They bind many nutrients, like betaine and minerals and trace
elements.

Perhaps, if you were to focus?

Depends upon whether or not the Broccoli is cooked.  Every try eating
grains raw?  Bet raw ground up wheat has more fiber than raw broccoli.

You can cook Broccoli until it melts into your mouth.

BRAN provides a big health benefit.  If something that provides a major
health benefit is not called a nutrient, then science needs to revise
their definition.
http://naturalhealthperspective.com/food/whole-grains.html
--
John Gohde,
    Achieving good Nutrition is an Art, NOT a Science!

The nutrition of eating a healthy diet is a biological factor of the
mind-body connection. Now, weighing in at 18 web pages, the
Nutrition of a Healthy Diet is with more documentation and
sharper terminology than ever before.
http://naturalhealthperspective.com/food/

Thank you Ron Peterson.

Also see the dramatic near-instant improvement in plasma lipids and
colon function from a very high fruit/veg "starch-free" regime compared
to a whole-grain starchy regime:

Metabolism. 2001 Apr;50(4):494-503.    

    Effect of a very-high-fiber vegetable, fruit, and nut diet on serum
lipids and colonic function.

    Jenkins DJ, Kendall CW, Popovich DG, Vidgen E, Mehling CC, Vuksan
V, Ransom TP, Rao AV, Rosenberg-Zand R, Tariq N, Corey P, Jones PJ,
Raeini M, Story JA, Furumoto EJ, Illingworth DR, Pappu AS, Connelly PW.

    Clinical Nutrition and Risk Factor Modification Center, Department
of Medicine, Division of Endocrinology and Metabolism, St. Michael's
Hospital, Toronto, Quebec, Canada.

    We tested the effects of feeding a diet very high in fiber from
fruit and vegetables. The levels fed were those, which had originally
inspired the dietary fiber hypothesis related to colon cancer and heart
disease prevention and also may have been eaten early in human
evolution. Ten healthy volunteers each took 3 metabolic diets of 2 weeks
duration. The diets were: high-vegetable, fruit, and nut
(very-high-fiber, 55 g/1,000 kcal); starch-based containing cereals and
legumes (early agricultural diet); or low-fat (contemporary therapeutic
diet). All diets were intended to be weight-maintaining (mean intake,
2,577 kcal/d). Compared with the starch-based and low-fat diets, the
high-fiber vegetable diet resulted in the largest reduction in
low-density lipoprotein (LDL) cholesterol (33% +/- 4%, P <.001) and the
greatest fecal bile acid output (1.13 +/- 0.30 g/d, P =.002), fecal bulk
(906 +/- 130 g/d, P <.001), and fecal short-chain fatty acid outputs (78
+/- 13 mmol/d, P <.001). Nevertheless, due to the increase in fecal
bulk, the actual concentrations of fecal bile acids were lowest on the
vegetable diet (1.2 mg/g wet weight, P =.002). Maximum lipid reductions
occurred within 1 week. Urinary mevalonic acid excretion increased (P
=.036) on the high-vegetable diet reflecting large fecal steroid losses.
We conclude that very high-vegetable fiber intakes reduce risk factors
for cardiovascular disease and possibly colon cancer. Vegetable and
fruit fibers therefore warrant further detailed investigation. Copyright
2001 by W.B. Saunders Company

    Publication Types:

        * Clinical Trial
        * Randomized Controlled Trial

    PMID: 11288049 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

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Whole grains are fantastic compared to refined grains. But, vegetables
and fruits provide more powerful protection on a unit energy basis.

Since most people don't make fruits and nonstarchy vegetables a
considerable fraction of their kcals, they miss out on some of the
greatest potential benefits.

I have nothing against whole grains, but I feel strongly that fruits
and vegetables should be increased significantly in the diet, with
a corresponding de-emphasis on whole grains, not only for CHD health
and cancer risk reduction, but also for a reason as simple as
nutrient density.