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Flax oil, kefir, yogurt producing no immune system benefits

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Knack - 21 Jan 2006 08:46 GMT
Hi. I am age 51. For the past 15 months every morning I've been blending
high lignan flax seed oil with either yogurt or kefir as part of my
breakfast. And I've been keeping my daily intake of omega-6 fat approx equal
to my omega-3 fats intake. And I avoid sugar except for what is found in
about 6 different whole fruits every day. And every day I have 2 cups of
green tea, along with a cup of cocoa, 2 cups of rooibos, and a glass of red
wine. And every day I
also take 400 mg natural E-complex vitamin, 50 mg selenium, 1000 mg vitamin
ester-C,  100 mg CoQ10, 400 mg alpha-lipoic acid, 400 mg quercetin, 100 mg
MSM, plus individual garlic, cranberry, and grapeseed extract pills.

Not to mention the healthy meals that I eat, that's a lot of daily
nutrients. I'm hoping that my continued use of them will help to prevent me
from some day getting cancer. However, that's not a realistic expectation as
last May they could not even prevent me from getting a persistent cold/flu
following an airline trip. Although I still continue to take all of the
above stuff, it certainly has been quite a disappointment so far.
Mr-Natural-Health - 22 Jan 2006 12:51 GMT
> Although I still continue to take all of the
> above stuff, it certainly has been quite a disappointment so far.

NEWSFLASH:  Flax oil & yogurt are NOT supposed to produce immune system
benefits.

Flax oil generally provides only Omega-3 EFAs from a plant source.
This means that it takes 10 times as much flax oil then it would if you
got your Omega-3 EFAs from a fish source.  Flax seed meal is a better
approach because of a special type of fiber.  Again, Flax oil/Flax
seeds do NOT prevent colds.

I have no idea what kefir is or why anyone would want to take it.

Yogurt is primarily for females with yeast problems.

For colds/flu prevention the first problem that I would suspect is a
case of borderline hypothyroidism.  If you chronically feel cold all
the time, than this is probably your problem.

To build up your immune system you would take Vitamin A and Zinc, as
well as some Vitamin C.  I do mean 5,000 to 10,000 IUs of Vitamin A
rather than Beta-carotene as you are also NOT likely to be converting
Beta-carotene into Vitamin A very well.  Take supplents of Vitamin A,
or one teaspoon of Health quality cod liver oil a day.  Zinc should
come from a 25 to 50 mg supplement.

Of course, last but not least, you have to exercise regularly.  A lack
of exercise could be your main problem?

Naturally, I am assuming that you are eating halfway decently.

I have a web site that you might want to explore.
--
john gohde
http://naturalhealthperspective.com
Pizzza Girl - 22 Jan 2006 14:57 GMT
kefir is not the only thing you don't know about.

"Mr-Natural-Health"
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> > Although I still continue to take all of the
> > above stuff, it certainly has been quite a disappointment so far.
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> john gohde
> http://naturalhealthperspective.com
Mr-Natural-Health - 22 Jan 2006 15:05 GMT
> kefir is not the only thing you don't know about.

Once I made a mistake, but I was confused. :)

Just thought that you might want to know.

http://naturalhealthperspective.com/tutorials/history-mind-body-connection.html
Knack - 23 Jan 2006 09:38 GMT
Thanks for the various tips.

When I was healthy last year my blood tests didn't indicate thyroid problems
(thyroid function was checked). I don't feel chills anyway.

I get  a moderate intensity aerobic exercise on a number of machines for 35
minutes about 2-3 times per week.

I am a healthy eater and get a portion of wild salmon at least twice per
week. I also have a meal of high omega-3 eggs once per week.

Actually I alternate morning breakfasts between high lignan flax seed oil
and whole ground flax seeds. I mix either usually with homemade nonfat
kefir, which is a type of fermented milk similar to yogurt but containing
more strains of bacteria cultures and also includes some beneficial yeast
cultures too. Only when I don't have a kefir batch ready do I substitute
nonfat yogurt. When flax oil mixes with casein in the presence of lactic
acid (as in a cultured dairy product) the two conjugate together forming a
chemically different food product. According to the claims of Dr. Johanna
Budwig this food product results in greatly improved immune system function.
Mr-Natural-Health - 23 Jan 2006 12:10 GMT
> According to the claims of Dr. Johanna
> Budwig this food product results in greatly improved immune system function.

I just love it when the person with the so-called immune problem is
lecturing me on the fine points of the immune system.  Ah! Another one
of my famous observations, which I have not used in a while.

Ha, ... Hah, Ha!  I don't have a problem with colds.  Or, with the flu.

To prevent these two problems the biggies are exercise, Vitamin A, and
Zinc.

Everything else is micro-managing, or a total waste of time, IMHO.

I am just a person who rarely gets a cold, and NEVER the flu.  And,
NEVER nauseated for more than 8 hours, much less 10 days.  So, what do
I know?  Apparently, more than you do.  Since the proof is in the
pudding. :)
Knack - 24 Jan 2006 06:42 GMT
> I just love it when the person with the so-called immune problem is
> lecturing me on the fine points of the immune system.  Ah! Another one
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> I know?  Apparently, more than you do.  Since the proof is in the
> pudding. :)

A friend of mine's father had a wise saying "Anyone can learn anything from
anybody."

Unlike you, I'm not saying I know more than anybody else. I post my
observations, I share my knowledge, and raise some pertinent questions.

It's easy to be arrogant when things are going great for you. But having
great health is like having a great job; nobody  can hold onto either
indefinitely and time passes quickly.

My dad was never sick for decade, after decade, after decade. Then one day
about 10 years ago he was playing tennis and collapsed on the court from his
first heart attack. If there didn't happen to be someone there who knew CPR
he would've died right then and there. A few days later he got a quad
coronary bypass operation. A couple years later he survived colon cancer,
but it meant getting a colostomy. He's since had an angioplasty of a
reclogged coronary artery. But he always had a humble attitude with regards
to his health; both before and after his trials began. God knows this, and
God willing, he may yet become a centenarian.
Just Cocky - 23 Jan 2006 15:45 GMT
>When I was healthy last year my blood tests didn't indicate thyroid problems
>(thyroid function was checked). I don't feel chills anyway.

What was your TSH level?
Knack - 24 Jan 2006 00:52 GMT
>>When I was healthy last year my blood tests didn't indicate thyroid
>>problems
>>(thyroid function was checked). I don't feel chills anyway.
>
> What was your TSH level?

TSH (3rd generation) 1.413 mciu/ml
 
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