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Nutritional and supplemental regimen - critiques please

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jamesbeebop - 07 Jan 2006 14:29 GMT
I am a 36 year old, physically active, married father of four.  It has
only been this year that I've become actively concerned with
'longevity'.  I suffer from occasional bouts with anxiety and panic,
and in looking for better answers than prescription SSRI's, I started
down the life extension path.  :)

My diet is reasonably good, though not very formal.  I tend to eat
blueberries and raspberries with my breakfast, look for healthy
alternatives, eat out daily (because of my job) but usually try and
have something raw and colorful.  :)

Frankly, after doing a good bit of reading over the past year or so ...
I still find supplements to be very confusing.  I'm curious to hear
opinions regarding my supplement regimen, especially as regards my age,
activity level, current issues, etc.

I currently take:

Enzymatic Therapy pro-biotic - once daily, in the morning
Life Extension Mix multi-nutrient, 3 tablets, 3 times daily
Life Extension booster, once daily
3 grams MSM, twice daily
2 grams Life Extension super EPA/DHA, twice daily
50mg CoQ10, twice daily
200mg alpha lipoic acid, twice daily
500mg turmeric, twice daily
500mg ginger, twice daily
extra vitamin B, once daily
440mg calcium, twice daily (contains D3 as well, from LEF)
500mg magnesium, twice daily

I took SAMe for approximately 2 months, primarily for it's effect on
mood.  I thought I noticed a definite improvement, but had also stepped
up my exercise level at the same time.  I'm currently experimenting
with *not* taking the SAMe, to see if the exercise is providing the
benefit (or more benefit at less cost).  I also became concerned about
the SAMe negatively influencing my homocysteine levels, which were a
bit elevated.

I've had my blood work done, about 6 months ago .... and some concerns
which came out of this were ... low HDL (40), high fasting glucose
(98), high homocysteine (9.7) and potentially low fasting insulin
(4.7).  My doctor was only concerned with the HDL, because all the
others fell inside lab 'normal'.  :)

I'm hoping that six months on this supplement regimen, and improvements
in my diet and exercise levels will have improved these numbers, but
I've not repeated the tests yet.

I welcome any feedback, and also welcome pointers to sources of
information to support the feedback.  I am still learning how to find,
read and interpret study results, as well as evaluate other potentially
useful sources of information.  As I mentioned earlier, I still find
the whole thing to be quite confusing.  :)

Thank you.

James
spotmeter - 08 Jan 2006 14:09 GMT
It would be helpful to know your bodyfat percentage. Keeping your
bodyfat low is an excellent way to increase your lifespan.  Fasting
once a week, reducing fats and grains, and eating foods high in
nutritional value and low in calories (vegetables, beans) will keep
your body fat low.

Additional vitamin D will help with your mood (google Vitamin D
Council). Somax Stress Reduction will get rid of your panic and anxiety
without drugs (www.somaxsports.com/stressreduction.htm).
jamesbeebop - 09 Jan 2006 11:55 GMT
Not sure what my body fat percentage is ... but I should have mentioned
my height/weight.  I'm 5'8" and weigh 138.  I've not measured my body
fat total, but would guess it's pretty low.  I don't believe my diet
would be considered CR ... just have a high metabolism.  :)
ironjustice@aol.com - 08 Jan 2006 15:32 GMT
Biology Of Fear: UCLA Study Finds Properties Of Yohimbe Tree Bark Hold
Promise For Revolutionizing Treatment Of Anxiety Disorders
New findings at the UCLA Neuropsychiatric Institute demonstrate the
potential of a substance found in yohimbe tree bark to accelerate
recovery from anxiety disorders suffered by millions of Americans.

In the latest in a series of studies of how mice acquire, express and
extinguish conditioned fear, the UCLA team finds yohimbine helps mice
learn to overcome the fear faster by enhancing the effects of the
natural release of adrenaline. Adrenaline prompts physiological changes
such as increased heart and metabolism rates in response to physical
and mental stress.

Writing in the March/April edition of the peer-reviewed journal
Learning and Memory, the team reported that mice treated with yohimbine
overcame their fear four times as fast as those treated with vehicle or
propanolol, a medication commonly used to treat symptoms of anxiety
disorders by blunting the physiological effects of adrenaline.

Yohimbine is most commonly used to treat erectile dysfunction. It can
cause anxiety in susceptible persons, and should never be used without
a doctor's recommendation and supervision.

These new findings come on the heels of evidence published by the same
UCLA research team last fall (Journal of Experimental Psychology,
October 2003) that suggests full, frequent exposure to a fear during
behavioral therapy may be more effective in treating anxiety than the
standard practice of gradual, spaced exposure. For example, it may be
more effective to treat fear of heights by taking a patient straight to
the top of a tall building in rapid succession, rather then taking them
to increasingly higher floors over a lengthy period of time.

"We are at the threshold of a new era in our understanding and
treatment of anxiety disorders," said Dr. Mark Barad, the UCLA
Neuropsychiatric Institute's Tennenbaum Family Center faculty scholar
and an assistant professor of psychiatry and biobehavioral sciences.
"Current treatment protocols use medications intended to blunt the
physiological effects of fear and use behavioral therapy designed to
space exposure to the fear stimulus over time. Our findings show
treatment may be more effective if we do exactly the opposite. Anxiety
disorders affect about 19 million Americans per year, consuming about
one-third of total U.S. mental health costs of $148 billion in 1990.
They include obsessive-compulsive disorder, panic disorder, social
phobia, post-traumatic stress disorder, generalized anxiety disorder
and specific phobias. Although these diseases are generally not deadly,
they take an enormous toll in morbidity. Sufferers constantly avoid
fearful circumstances and pay an enormous price in social isolation,
poor job performance and advancement, and time wasted on worries and
fears.

Both acquiring and overcoming, or extinguishing, conditional fear are
forms of active learning. A unique pairing of an initially neutral
conditional stimulus with an unpleasant unconditional stimulus is
needed to acquire a conditional fear. In both UCLA studies, the
conditional stimulus was a tone and the unconditional stimulus was a
mild foot shock.

Although extinction, the reduction of conditional responding after
repeated exposures to the conditional stimulus alone, might initially
appear to be a passive decay or erasure of this association, many
studies indicate that extinction is new inhibitory learning, which
leaves the original memory intact.

The National Institute of Mental Health is funding the research.

Other UCLA investigators involved in the ongoing research are Chris
Cain and Ashley Blouin of the UCLA Interdepartmental Program in
Neuroscience. Barad also is affiliated with the UCLA Brain Research
Institute.

###

The Tennenbaum Family Center at the UCLA Neuropsychiatric Institute
encourages research into brain plasticity by supporting the work of a
faculty scholar, providing seed money to promising research projects
and offering graduate student and post-doctoral fellowship support.

The UCLA Neuropsychiatric Institute is an interdisciplinary research
and education institute devoted to the understanding of complex human
behavior, including the genetic, biological, behavioral and
sociocultural underpinnings of normal behavior, and the causes and
consequences of neuropsychiatric disorders. Information about the
institute is available online at http:/?/?www.npi.ucla.edu.
-----------------------------------------

Phytic acid .. coincidentally .. another substance which seems to use
iron as the basis of its' .. work .. also is touted as an effective
anti-anxiety.

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0ISW/is_255/ai_n6211958

Townsend Letter for Doctors and Patients,  Oct, 2004  by Gina L. Nick

(2) Research indicates that inositol is an effective and safe option in
the treatment of panic disorder, obsessive-compulsive disorder (OCD),
bulimia nervosa, binge eating and/or depression.

Who loves ya.
Tom

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Just Cocky - 08 Jan 2006 19:05 GMT
>I currently take:
>
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>440mg calcium, twice daily (contains D3 as well, from LEF)
>500mg magnesium, twice daily

You could try adding l-theanine and see what happens. It has a calming
effect but it *may* further deplete serotonin levels, so use with
caution.

>I took SAMe for approximately 2 months, primarily for it's effect on
>mood.  I thought I noticed a definite improvement, but had also stepped
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>the SAMe negatively influencing my homocysteine levels, which were a
>bit elevated.

It's always a good idea to also take TMG when taking SAMe to avoid
homocysteine problems.

>As I mentioned earlier, I still find
>the whole thing to be quite confusing.  :)

Well, keep reading the Life Extension Magazine and asking question and
eventually everything will become clear! :-)
junkmail2869us@yahoo.com - 09 Jan 2006 01:38 GMT
Omega 3 fish oil. Cured my life-long depression within 3 weeks. Been
taking it for 10 months now; not a single episode of depression in that
time.

It hasn't helped much with concentration for me, which it's reputed to
do, but as a mood stabilizer, it's incredible.

I personally take Nordic naturals Omega 3 liquid, 2 tsp a day, but any
good brand I'm sure is fine.

Nearly every single thing I've ever read about fish oil has been
positive.
Michael C Price - 09 Jan 2006 10:24 GMT
For blood glucose control try the minerals
chromium and vanadium, along with B vitamins
biotin, thiamine, niacin and B6.

Cheers,
Michael C Price
----------------------------------------
http://mcp.longevity-report.com
http://www.hedweb.com/manworld.htm
> I am a 36 year old, physically active, married father of four.  It has
> only been this year that I've become actively concerned with
[quoted text clipped - 54 lines]
>
> James
jamesbeebop - 09 Jan 2006 12:04 GMT
Is there benefit to taking more of these nutrients than are found in
the LEF Mix (multi-nutrient formula from Life Extension Foundation)?
The amount of this that I take per day (the recommended dosage)
contains 500mcg chromium, 3000mcg biotin, 125mg thiamine, 190mg niacin
and 100mg B6.

I'm also curious if these amounts would be enough to 'offset' the SAMe,
were I still taking that?  I read that taking SAMe could either raise,
*or lower* homocysteine, depending on the amount of B vitamins
available ... but, couldn't find a description of the amount of B
vitamins -vs- amount of SAMe required.
Michael C Price - 09 Jan 2006 13:33 GMT
I believe there is a benefit from taking amounts
that exceed the "standard" LEF mix amount.
My chromium and vanadium requirements are
met from a comination of sources, the latter princpally
from LEF's 3 x Only Trace Minerals daily.  I don't
take any SAMe in the belief that the minerals,
B-vitamins etc I take boost its engoneous synthesis.

I will get around eventually to updating the link
http://mcp.longevity-report.com
Until then here's my current regime.
Daily, divided over meals, I take:

Daily, divided over meals, I take:

Approximately the "recommended" dose(~10 tablets/d) of Life Extension Mix +
Booster (which contains a general mixture of vitamins, minerals and
phytochemicals) plus extra B-vitamins, trace minerals and others.  Some of
the amounts are more than optimal since they come from complexes.

This includes:

B-vitamins:
Thiamine (B1), 825 mg
Riboflavin (B2), 400 mg
Niacin (B3), 1575 mg
Choline (B4), 545 mg
Inositol (B8), 2000 mg
Inositol hexanicotinate, 2480mg niacin (B3), 400mg inositol(B8)
Pantothenate (B5), 7.6 gm
Pyridoxine (B6), 625 mg
Biotin (B7), 4.8 mg
Folate (B9), 8 mg
PABA (B10), 900 mg
Cyano-cobalamin (B12), 7 mg
Methyl-cobalamin (B12), 6 mg
TMG, 450 mg

Minerals:
Boron, 9 mg
Chromium, 1200ug
Copper, 6 mg
Magnesium, 2000 mg
Manganese, 48 mg
Molybdenum, 750ug
Selenium, 800 ug, in various organic and inorganic forms
Vanadium, 6 mg
Zinc, 95 mg

Acetyl-L-carnitine, 1000mg
Alpha-lipoic acid, 500mg
RNA, 1000 mg

Aspirin, 150 mg
Beta-carotene, 150,000 IU
Glucosamine, 1000 mg
Lycopene, 40 mg + other carotenoids
Saw palmetto, 1240 mg
Vitamin C, 3 gm
Vitamin D3, 2400 IU
Vitamin E, 600 IU
Vitamin K (18mg K1, 2mg K2)

I don't take any hormones, including DHEA, HGH or melatonin.

Cheers,
Michael C Price
----------------------------------------
http://mcp.longevity-report.com
http://www.hedweb.com/manworld.htm
> Is there benefit to taking more of these nutrients than are found in
> the LEF Mix (multi-nutrient formula from Life Extension Foundation)?
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> available ... but, couldn't find a description of the amount of B
> vitamins -vs- amount of SAMe required.
Michael C Price - 09 Jan 2006 13:38 GMT
> I believe there is a benefit from taking amounts
> that exceed the "standard" LEF mix amount.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> take any SAMe in the belief that the minerals,
> B-vitamins etc I take boost its engoneous synthesis.

I meant "endogenous synthesis".

> I will get around eventually to updating the link
> http://mcp.longevity-report.com
[quoted text clipped - 69 lines]
> > available ... but, couldn't find a description of the amount of B
> > vitamins -vs- amount of SAMe required.
beni - 10 Jan 2006 06:30 GMT
Michael hi!
why do you take so much vitamin D and magnesium?
thanks.
beni.
Michael C Price - 10 Jan 2006 14:02 GMT
"beni" <benik@elisra.com> wrote in message

> Michael hi!
> why do you take so much vitamin D and magnesium?
> thanks.
> beni.

Hi Beni,
lots of recent studies support the broad anti-cancer benefits of
hi-dose vitamin D.  It's been debated extensively here on
sle over the last couple of years with no concensus about
just how much is optimum, but I believe most of the downside
risks can be obviated with concurrent vitamin K.  Hence I take
a lot.
Magnesium has even broader benefits (cardio-, genoprotective,
anti-glycation) with virtually no downside (except its laxative action).
It also compliments selenium (which I regard as *very* important).
From my files:
************************
Vitamin D may confer some protection against vitamin A toxicity.  Vitamin D
(which should really be classified as a hormone) may offer considerable
protection against cancer143, but it too can be toxic (1,000 IU (25ug) can
lead to hypercalcaemia), although magnesium144d, selenium144a and vitamin
K144b, 144c may protect against the hypercalcemia.
[143a] Vitamin D in preventive medicine: are we ignoring the evidence?
Zittermann A in Br J Nutr. 2003 May;89(5):552-72.  PMID: 12720576
"Vitamin D is metabolised by a hepatic 25-hydroxylase into 25-hydroxyvitamin
D (25(OH)D) and by a renal 1alpha-hydroxylase into the vitamin D hormone
calcitriol. Calcitriol receptors are present in more than thirty different
tissues. Apart from the kidney, several tissues also possess the enzyme
1alpha-hydroxylase, which is able to use circulating 25(OH)D as a substrate.
Serum levels of 25(OH)D are the best indicator to assess vitamin D
deficiency, insufficiency, hypovitaminosis, adequacy, and toxicity. European
children and young adults often have circulating 25(OH)D levels in the
insufficiency range during wintertime. Elderly subjects have mean 25(OH)D
levels in the insufficiency range throughout the year. In institutionalized
subjects 25(OH)D levels are often in the deficiency range. There is now
general agreement that a low vitamin D status is involved in the
pathogenesis of osteoporosis. Moreover, vitamin D insufficiency can lead to
a disturbed muscle function. Epidemiological data also indicate a low
vitamin D status in tuberculosis, rheumatoid arthritis, multiple sclerosis,
inflammatory bowel diseases, hypertension, and specific types of cancer.
Some intervention trials have demonstrated that supplementation with vitamin
D or its metabolites is able: (i) to reduce blood pressure in hypertensive
patients; (ii) to improve blood glucose levels in diabetics; (iii) to
improve symptoms of rheumatoid arthritis and multiple sclerosis. The oral
dose necessary to achieve adequate serum 25(OH)D levels is probably much
higher than the current recommendations of 5-15 microg/d."

[143b] An estimate of premature cancer mortality in the U.S. due to
inadequate doses of solar ultraviolet-B radiation.  Grant WB in Cancer. 2002
Mar 15;94(6):1867-75.  PMID: 11920550
"BACKGROUND: There are large geographic gradients in mortality rates for a
number of cancers in the U.S. (e.g., rates are approximately twice as high
in the northeast compared with the southwest). [..] solar UV-B radiation is
associated with reduced risk of cancer of the breast, colon, ovary, and
prostate as well as non-Hodgkin lymphoma. Eight additional malignancies were
found to exhibit an inverse correlation between mortality rates and UV-B
radiation: bladder, esophageal, kidney, lung, pancreatic, rectal, stomach,
and corpus uteri. [.] CONCLUSIONS: The results of the current study
demonstrate that much of the geographic variation in cancer mortality rates
in the U.S. can be attributed to variations in solar UV-B radiation
exposure. Thus, many lives could be extended through increased careful
exposure to solar UV-B radiation and more safely, vitamin D3
supplementation, especially in nonsummer months."

[143c] Why the optimal requirement for Vitamin D(3) is probably much higher
than what is officially recommended for adults.
Vieth R in J Steroid Biochem Mol Biol. 2004 May;89-90:575-9.  PMID: 15225842
"The physiologic range for circulating 25-hydroxyvitamin D3 [25(OH)D; the
measure of Vitamin D nutrient status] concentration in humans and other
primates extends to beyond 200nmol/L (>80ng/mL). This biologic "normal"
value is greater than current population norms for 25(OH)D. Concentrations
of 25(OH)D that correlate with desirable effects extend to at least
70nmol/L, with no obvious threshold. Randomized clinical trials using 20mcg
(800IU) per day of Vitamin D show that this suppresses parathyroid hormone,
preserves bone mineral density, prevents fractures, lowers blood pressure
and improves balance. Calcium absorption from diet correlates with 25(OH)D
in the normal range. Health effects of Vitamin D beyond osteoporosis are
mostly supported by the circumstantial evidence of epidemiologic studies and
laboratory research. These include prevention of cancer and the autoimmune
diseases, insulin-dependent diabetes and multiple sclerosis. One mcg per day
of Vitamin D(3) (cholecalciferol) increases circulating 25(OH)D by about
1nmol/L (0.4ng/mL). A recommended dietary allowance (RDA) is the long-term
daily intake level that meets the total requirements for the nutrient by
nearly all healthy individuals (it would presume no sunshine). If 70nmol/L
is regarded as a minimum desirable target 25(OH)D concentration, then
current recommendations of 15mcg per day do not meet the criterion of an
RDA."

[143d] Calcium and vitamin D. Diagnostics and therapeutics.  Holick MF in
Clin Lab Med. 2000 Sep;20(3):569-90.  PMID: 10986622
"Vitamin D is neither a vitamin nor a nutrient if adequate exposure to
sunlight is available to produce adequate quantities of vitamin D3 in the
skin. It is well known that an adequate supply of vitamin D, either from the
diet or from the skin, is important for maximum bone health throughout life.
The new revelation that 25(OH)D can be metabolized to 1,25(OH)2D in the
colon, prostate, and skin opens a new chapter in the vitamin D story. It is
quite possible that there are two levels of vitamin D sufficiency. One level
requires that the serum 25(OH)D levels be at least 20 ng/mL to satisfy the
body's requirement for the renal production of 1,25(OH)2D that regulates
calcium absorption, and bone calcium mobilization and bone mineralization.
The second level may need higher circulating levels of 25(OH)D for maximum
cellular health because of the conversion of 25(OH)D to 1,25(OH)2D in
extrarenal tissues, such as the prostate, colon, and skin."

[143e] Calcium and vitamin D. Their potential roles in colon and breast
cancer prevention.  Garland CF, Garland FC, Gorham ED in Ann N Y Acad Sci.
1999;889:107-19.  PMID: 10668487
"The geographic distribution of colon cancer is similar to the historical
geographic distribution of rickets. The highest death rates from colon
cancer occur in areas that had high prevalence rates of rickets--regions
with winter ultraviolet radiation deficiency, generally due to a combination
of high or moderately high latitude, high-sulfur content air pollution (acid
haze), higher than average stratospheric ozone thickness, and persistently
thick winter cloud cover. The geographic distribution of colon cancer
mortality rates reveals significantly low death rates at low latitudes in
the United States and significantly high rates in the industrialized
Northeast. The Northeast has a combination of latitude, climate, and air
pollution that prevents any synthesis of vitamin D during a five-month
vitamin D winter. Breast cancer death rates in white women also rise with
distance from the equator and are highest in areas with long vitamin D
winters. Colon cancer incidence rates also have been shown to be inversely
proportional to intake of calcium. These findings, which are consistent with
laboratory results, indicate that most cases of colon cancer may be
prevented with regular intake of calcium in the range of 1,800 mg per day,
in a dietary context that includes 800 IU per day (20 micrograms) of vitamin
D3. (In women, an intake of approximately 1,000 mg of calcium per 1,000 kcal
of energy with 800 IU of vitamin D would be sufficient.) In observational
studies, the source of approximately 90% of the calcium intake was vitamin
D-fortified milk. Vitamin D may also be obtained from fatty fish. In
addition to reduction of incidence and mortality rates from colon cancer,
epidemiological data suggest that intake of 800 IU/day of vitamin D may be
associated with enhanced survival rates among breast cancer cases."

[143f]  A protective role of dietary vitamin D3 in rat colon carcinogenesis.
Mokady E, Schwartz B, Shany S, Lamprecht SA in Nutr Cancer.
2000;38(1):65-73.   PMID: 11341047
"The aim of the present work was to gain insight into a putative anticancer
effect of dietary vitamin D3 (cholecalciferol) in a rat model of colon
carcinogenesis. Male rats were assigned to three different dietary groups.
The dietary regimens were based on a standard murine-defined diet (AIN-76A)
or a stress diet containing 20% fat, reduced Ca2+ concentration, a high
phosphorus-to-Ca2+ ratio, and either low or high vitamin D3 content.
Colorectal cancer was induced by administration of the procarcinogen
1,2-dimethylhydrazine (DMH). Blood Ca2+, 1,25-dihydroxyvitamin D3
[1,25(OH)2D3], and 25-hydroxyvitamin D3 [25(OH)D3] levels were measured in
DMH-treated rats and in respective weight- and age-matched dietary control
groups. Colonic epithelial proliferation was assessed by determining
thymidine kinase (TK) activity, bromodeoxyuridine (BrdUrd) incorporation
into crypt cell DNA, and the mean labeling index along the colonic crypt
continuum. Maintenance of rats on the stress diet either unmodified or
supplemented with vitamin D3 in the absence of carcinogen treatment provoked
a time-dependent rise in colonic TK activity and hyperproliferation of
colonic epithelium. DMH treatment of rats maintained on the standard diet
caused a marked increase in the proliferative indexes of colonic epithelium
and in expansion of the crypt proliferative compartment. TK activity and the
crypt mitotic zone were significantly augmented in the animal group fed the
stress diet. Supplementary vitamin D3 abrogated the stress diet-enhanced
colonic responses to the carcinogenic insult. Colon tumor multiplicity was
fourfold higher in animals fed the stress diet than in animals maintained on
a standard diet. The marked rise in colonic tumor multiplicity and
adenocarcinoma incidence in rats fed the stress diet was obliterated by
supplemental dietary vitamin D3. Cumulatively, the present results indicate
that dietary vitamin D3 impedes the neoplastic process in murine large
intestine and strengthen the view that inappropriate changes in dietary
components and micronutrients are contributory determinants of colorectal
cancer."

[143g]  Vitamin D3 is a potent inhibitor of tumor cell-induced angiogenesis.
Majewski S, Skopinska M, Marczak M, Szmurlo A, Bollag W, Jablonska S in J
Investig Dermatol Symp Proc. 1996 Apr;1(1):97-101.  PMID: 9627702
"Vitamin D3 derivative 1,25-dihydroxyvitamin D3 (1,25[OH]2D3) exerts various
biological effects in cells that possess vitamin D3 receptor (VDR),
including enhancement of cell differentiation and inhibition of cell
proliferation. These activities of 1,25(OH)2D3 might be responsible for its
anti-neoplastic effects, as shown in various experimental systems. The aim
of this study was to compare the anti-angiogenic activity of 1,25(OH)2D3,
retinoids, and interleukin-12 (IL-12) in an experimental tumor cell-induced
angiogenesis assay in mice. Tumor cell-induced angiogenesis assay was
performed in x-ray immunosuppressed BALB/c mice by intradermal injections of
human tumor cell lines of different origin. The injections resulted within 3
d in a local formation of new blood vessels, and the intensity of
angiogenesis correlated with the number of injected cells. Systemic
treatment of the mouse recipients with 1,25(OH)2D3 significantly decreased
angiogenesis, comparable to the effect of retinoids (all-trans retinoic acid
[RA], 9-cis RA and 13-cis RA) and of IL-12. In vitro preincubation of the
cells with all compounds (except IL-12) led to the inhibition of their
angiogenic capability in vivo. Moreover, combination of 1,25(OH)2D3 and
retinoids resulted in a synergistic inhibition of angiogenesis. The results
strongly suggest that anti-angiogenic compounds with relatively low toxicity
(e.g., 1,25(OH)2D3, retinoids, and IL-12) and their combinations could be
beneficial in the treatment of some angiogenesis-associated malignancies."

[144a] [The protective effect of sodium selenite and vitamin E in
hypervitaminosis D]  Sokolova SV, Spirichev VB, Kudrin AN in Farmakol
Toksikol. 1977 Jan-Feb;40(1):67-9.  PMID: 300690
"Vitamin D2 (160 000-240 000 IU/kg) produced during 5 days pronounced
hypercalciemia and metastatic calcification of internal organs. Subcutaneous
injection of sodium selenite (10 mg/kg) brought down the level of calcium in
the blood plasma and decreased calcification of internal organs. Conjoint
introduction of sodium selenite (30 gamma/kg) and of vitamin "E" (50 mg/kg)
lowered the aortal calcinosis by 54 per cent, of the lung--by 93, of the
heart--by 86 and of the kidney--by 96 per cent."

[144b] Effect of continuous combined therapy with vitamin K(2) and vitamin
D(3) on bone mineral density and coagulofibrinolysis function in
postmenopausal women.  Ushiroyama T, Ikeda A, Ueki M in Maturitas 2002 Mar
25;41(3):211-21   PMID: 11886767

OBJECTIVES: To investigate the therapeutic effect of combined use of vitamin
K(2) and D(3) on vertebral bone mineral density in postmenopausal women with
osteopenia and osteoporosis. SUBJECTS AND METHODS: We enrolled 172 women
with vertebral bone mineral density <0.98 g/cm(2) (osteopenia and
osteoporosis) as measured by dual-energy X-ray absorptiometry. In this
study, we employed the criteria for diagnosis of osteopenia and osteoporosis
using dual energy X-ray absorptiometry proposed by the Japan Society of Bone
Metabolism in 1996. Subjects were randomized into four groups (each having
43 subjects in vitamin K(2) therapy group, vitamin D(3) therapy group,
vitamin K(2) and D(3) combined therapy group, or a control group receiving
dietary therapy alone) and treated with respective agents for 2 years, with
bone mineral density was measured prior to therapy and after 6, 12, 18, and
24 months of treatment. The bone metabolism markers analyzed were serum type
1 collagen carboxyterminal propeptide (P1CP), serum intact osteocalcin, and
urinary pyridinoline. Tests of blood coagulation function consisted of
measurement of activated partial thromboplastin time (APTT) and analysis of
concentrations of antithrombin III (AT III), fibrinogen, and plasminogen.
RESULTS: Combined therapy with vitamin K(2) and D(3) for 24 months markedly
increased bone mineral density (4.92 +/- 7.89%), while vitamin K(2) alone
increased it only 0.135 +/- 5.44%. The bone markers measured, revealed
stimulation of both bone formation and resorption activity. We observed an
increase in coagulation and fibrinolytic activity that was within the normal
range, suggesting that balance was maintained in the
fibrinolysis-coagulation system. CONCLUSIONS: Continuous combination therapy
with vitamin K(2) and D(3) may be useful for increasing vertebral bone mass
in postmenopausal women. Furthermore, the increase in coagulation function
observed during this therapy was within the physiological range, and no
adverse reactions were observed.

[144c] Effect of vitamin K2 on experimental calcinosis induced by vitamin D2
in rat soft tissue.  Seyama Y, Horiuch M, Hayashi M, Kanke Y in Int J Vitam
Nutr Res 1996;66(1):36-8  PMID: 8698544
"The effect of vitamin K2 on calcium (Ca) and inorganic phosphorus (P)
levels in the aorta and kidney obtained from experimental calcinosis induced
by vitamin D2(2.5 x 10(5) I.U./ kg b.w.) of male rats was investigated. A
high dose of vitamin K2 (100 mg/kg b.w.) inhibited the increase in the
aortic Ca and P or in the renal Ca and P induced by vitamin D2, and a low
dose of vitamin K2 (10 mg/kg b.w.) showed the same tendency, but the degree
of the efficacy was small. It may be suggested that a high dose of vitamin
K2 suppressed experimental calcification of soft tissues induced by vitamin
D2. Therefore, a pharmacological dose of vitamin K2 might have a usefulness
for the prevention and treatment of arteriosclerosis with calcification."
[Dosed over a period of 6 weeks: human equivalent (after adjusting for
metabolic differences) = 1.2 gm/d of K2]

[144d] Effects of a dietary magnesium deficiency and excess vitamin D3 on
swine coronary arteries.  J Am Coll Nutr. 1990 Apr;9(2):155-63 by Ito M, Cho
BH, Kummerow FA.  PMID: 2159962

The effect of a moderate magnesium (Mg) deficiency on coronary arteries of
61 swine, fed various levels of vitamin D3, was studied by light and
electron microscopy. The effect of subnormal Mg intake on vitamin D3-induced
intimal lesions of the arteries showed a trend towards increased damage. The
degree of cell degeneration and intimal thickening, which was induced by
high vitamin D intakes, was as great in swine whose diet was low in Mg and
moderately high in vitamin D as it was in those on twice as much vitamin D.
Also, the degree of arterial calcification was intensified by inadequate Mg
intake at the two higher vitamin D intakes. Present findings indicate that
suboptimal dietary Mg, in combination with an excess of vitamin D, has an
additive effect in the initiation of ultrastructural changes in the coronary
arteries. Extension of the study is indicated to ascertain the extent to
which further reduction of Mg intake can potentiate vitamin-D-induced
coronary lesions.

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Magnesium ions are essential for the operation of kinases, enzymes that use
a magnesium-ATP complex as a phosphoryl-group donating substrate, and are
critical in maintaining genomic stability38d,f.  Magnesium deficient animals
show signs of premature aging38b-d.  In humans magnesium has been
successfully used to treat kidney stones, high blood pressure, migraine,
coronary artery spasm, irregular heart rhythms and diabetes.  Levels of
magnesium in drinking water correlate with longevity via decreased
cardiovascular disease38a.  Most people are magnesium deficient; their diets
don't even supply the RDA of magnesium; it seems sensible to supplement with
magnesium to stave off premature aging.  Magnesium synergises well with
vitamin B6 (pyridoxine).86

Selenium's ability to reduce cancer incidence suggests the selenoenzymes may
also provide some genomic protection.15, 16, 54, 71

Summary: Vitamins B3 (niacin) and B9 (folate) can provide considerable
protection against DNA damage and errors.  Since almost all adult cancers
are the result of DNA damage and errors then these vitamins may prevent many
cancers.  Magnesium and selenium are also important for genomic stability.
If DNA damage is implicated in aging then selenium, magnesium and vitamin B3
(niacin) and B9 (folate) may be essential to help ward off premature aging.

[38a] Chemical qualities of water that contribute to human health in a
positive way.  Hopps HC, Feder GL in Sci Total Environ. 1986 Oct;54:207-16.
PMID: 3810127

[38b] Magnesium status and ageing: an update.  Durlach J, Bac P, Durlach V,
Rayssiguier Y, Bara M, Guiet-Bara A in Magnes Res 1998 Mar;11(1):25-42
PMID: 9595547

[38c] Magnesium and ageing. II. Clinical data: aetiological mechanisms and
pathophysiological consequences of magnesium deficit in the elderly.
Durlach J, Durlach V, Bac P, Rayssiguier Y, Bara M, Guiet-Bara A in Magnes
Res 1993 Dec;6(4):379-94  PMID: 8155490

[38d] Role of magnesium in genomic stability.  Hartwig A. in Mutat Res 2001
Apr 18;475(1-2):113-21  PMID: 11295157

[38e] Oral Mg(2+) supplementation reverses age-related neuroendocrine and
sleep EEG changes in humans.  Held K, Antonijevic IA, Kunzel H, Uhr M,
Wetter TC, Golly IC, Steiger A, Murck H in Pharmacopsychiatry 2002
Jul;35(4):135-43   PMID: 12163983
"Our results suggest that [720mg/d] Mg(2+) partially reverses sleep EEG and
nocturnal neuroendocrine changes occurring during aging."

[38f]  Magnesium intake in relation to risk of colorectal cancer in women.
Larsson SC, Bergkvist L, Wolk A in JAMA. 2005 Jan 5;293(1):86-9.  PMID:
15632340
"This population-based prospective study suggests that a high magnesium
intake may reduce the occurrence of colorectal cancer in women."

[128a] Magnesium supplementation reduces development of diabetes in a rat
model of spontaneous NIDDM.  Balon TW, Gu JL, Tokuyama Y, Jasman AP, Nadler
JL in Am J Physiol 1995 Oct;269(4 Pt 1):E745-52   PMID: 7485490
"We examined the effects of a magnesium-supplemented (Mg-S) diet in the male
obese Zucker diabetic fatty rat, a model of non-insulin-dependent diabetes
mellitus (NIDDM). Obese rats were maintained on either a control (0.20% Mg)
or magnesium-supplemented (Mg-S; 1% Mg) diet for 6 wk beginning at 6 wk of
age. The rats maintained on the Mg-S diet had markedly lower fasting and
fed-state blood glucose concentrations and an improved glucose disposal. By
12 wk of age, all of the eight animals on the control diet became diabetic,
whereas diabetes developed in only one of eight animals on the Mg-S diet.
Insulin and C-peptide concentrations, in addition to pancreatic GLUT-2 and
insulin mRNA expression, were higher in the male obese Mg-S rats than in
their control-fed counterparts. A subgroup of rats on the control diet with
established diabetes was switched to a Mg-S diet for an additional 4 wk. The
Mg-S diet did not reverse diabetes once already established. These data
indicate that an increased dietary Mg intake in male obese rats prevents
deterioration of glucose tolerance, thus delaying the development of
spontaneous NIDDM."

[128b] Synergistic interaction of magnesium and vanadate on glucose
metabolism in diabetic rats.  Matsuda M, Mandarino L, DeFronzo RA in
Metabolism 1999 Jun;48(6):725-31  PMID: 10381146
"Based on these results, MgV is superior to either V alone or Mg alone in
improving insulin sensitivity and glycogen synthesis in diabetic rats."

[128c] The effect of magnesium supplementation in increasing doses on the
control of type 2 diabetes.  Lima Mde L, Cruz T, Pousada JC, Rodrigues LE,
Barbosa K, Cangucu V in Diabetes Care 1998 May;21(5):682-6   PMID: 9589224
"In the placebo and in the 20.7 mmol [0.5g] Mg groups, neither a change in
plasma and intracellular levels nor an improvement in glycemic control were
observed. Replacement with 41.4 mmol [1g] Mg tended to increase plasma,
cellular, and urine Mg and caused a significant fall (4.1 +/- 0.8 to 3.8 +/-
0.7 mmol/l) in fructosamine (normal, 1.87-2.87 mmol/l). CONCLUSIONS: Mg
depletion is common in poorly controlled patients with type 2 diabetes,
especially in those with neuropathy or coronary disease. More prolonged use
of Mg in doses that are higher than usual is needed to establish its routine
or selective administration in patients with type 2 diabetes to improve
control or prevent chronic complications."

[128d] Improved insulin response and action by chronic magnesium
administration in aged NIDDM subjects.  Paolisso G, Sgambato S, Pizza G,
Passariello N, Varricchio M, D'Onofrio F in Diabetes Care 1989
Apr;12(4):265-9   PMID: 2651054
"In eight aged non-insulin-dependent diabetes mellitus (NIDDM) subjects,
insulin response and action were studied before and after chronic magnesium
supplementation (2 g/day) to diet. [.] In conclusion, our data suggest that
NIDDM subjects may benefit from therapeutic chronic administration of
magnesium salts."

[128e] Daily magnesium supplements improve glucose handling in elderly
subjects.  Paolisso G, Sgambato S, Gambardella A, Pizza G, Tesauro P,
Varricchio M, D'Onofrio F in Am J Clin Nutr 1992 Jun;55(6):1161-7   PMID:
1595589
"aged subjects were enrolled in a double-blind, randomized, crossover study
in which placebo (for 4 wk) and chronic magnesium administration (CMA) (4.5
g/d for 4 wk) were provided. [.] CMA vs placebo significantly increased
erythrocyte magnesium concentration and improved insulin response and
action. Net increase in erythrocyte magnesium significantly and positively
correlated with the decrease in erythrocyte membrane microviscosity and with
the net increase in both insulin secretion and action. In aged patients,
correction of a low erythrocyte magnesium concentration may allow an
improvement of glucose handling."

[128f] Magnesium Intake and Risk of Type 2 Diabetes in Men and Women.
Lopez-Ridaura R, Willett WC, Rimm EB, Liu S, Stampfer MJ, Manson JE, Hu FB
in Diabetes Care. 2004 Jan;27(1):134-140.  PMID: 14693979
"Our findings suggest a significant inverse association between magnesium
intake and diabetes risk."

[128g]  Role of magnesium in insulin action, diabetes and cardio-metabolic
syndrome X.  Barbagallo M, Dominguez LJ, Galioto A, Ferlisi A, Cani C, Malfa
L, Pineo A, Busardo' A, Paolisso G. in Mol Aspects Med. 2003
Feb-Jun;24(1-3):39-52.  PMID: 12537988
"By contrast, in NIDDM patients daily Mg administration, restoring a more
appropriate intracellular Mg concentration, contributes to improve
insulin-mediated glucose uptake. The benefits deriving- from daily Mg
supplementation in NIDDM patients are further supported by epidemiological
studies showing that high daily Mg intake are predictive of a lower
incidence of NIDDM. In conclusion, a growing body of studies suggest that
intracellular Mg may play a key role in modulating insulin-mediated glucose
uptake and vascular tone. We further suggest that a reduced intracellular Mg
concentration might be the missing link helping to explain the
epidemiological association between NIDDM and hypertension."

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Selenium is toxic in the milligram range, with claims for the toxic starting
level between 900ug/d73 to 6000ug/d72a.  The organically-bound forms
(especially selenomethionine72c,d) are safer and perhaps more bioactive than
the inorganic forms of selenium (e.g. selenite or selenate72a).  Concurrent
magnesium supplementation is advisable since magnesium may provide some
protection against selenium toxicity45a.
[45a] Effect of dietary selenium and magnesium on human mammary tumor growth
in athymic nude mice.  Yan L, Boylan LM, Spallholz JE in Nutr Cancer
1991;16(3-4):239-48  PMID: 1775386
"Low dietary Mg also resulted in an apparent increase in Se toxicity in
these animals."

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Cheers,
Michael C Price
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jamesbeebop - 10 Jan 2006 04:19 GMT
Thanks for the response!

I'd like to ask some questions, if I may ... though, they seem rather
personal to me.  :)  What is your age, height and weight?  Also ... do
you take additional chromium because of elevated fasting glucose levels
(are you dealing with diabetes)?  Or, is the amount you take simply to
prevent blood sugar spikes and the attendent insulin response?  Are any
of the other nutrient amounts in response to blood test results that
you are correcting for, or purely prophylactic in nature?

Thanks!

James
Michael C Price - 10 Jan 2006 14:02 GMT
> Thanks for the response!
>
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>
> James

No, everything I take I take as a prophylactic (well almost, but the
qualifications are quite minor).  My age, height and weight I regard
as unimportant in the sense that I would take my present regime no matter
what they were.  However they are 46y, 2.04m, 94kg (varies a bit).

Cheers,
Michael C Price
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jamesbeebop - 12 Jan 2006 04:10 GMT
Michael,

Thanks for all the good info, I appreciate you taking the time to
provide it.

I'm curious how you buy your supplements, and who you buy them from?
I'm looking for the most economical way to do this.  Obviously, I get
the LE Mix and the booster from LEF.  Some of the others are NOW brand,
from a local health food store ... but, that is *not* cheap.  Some I
buy from Vitamin World, and one or two from GNC.  So yeah, I'm buying
mostly retail.  :)

Are many of the things you take in powder form?

Thanks again!

James
Michael C Price - 12 Jan 2006 06:03 GMT
Hi James,
I buy a few supplements (such as glucosamine) locally,
the rest from the LEF.  In fact I am just about to send
off my annual order (to take advantage of their annual
discount -- still expensive, though)

Being lazy I take everything in tablet or capsule form;
(yes, I know it would be cheaper to take some as
powders, but the time was too irritating....)

Cheers,
Michael C Price
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http://www.hedweb.com/manworld.htm

> Michael,
>
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>
> James
TC - 10 Jan 2006 14:43 GMT
Anxiety and/or panic generally equals B vitamin deficiency

Take a good B vitamin complex stress formula X 2, in the morning with
food. Lots of vitamin C. At least 3000 mg and up to a max of maybe
16000 mg per day, in small doses thruout the day.

Eat meat. Fresh healthy animal sourced meats. Real butter, not
margarine. Lard, not shortening. Bone broth soups, made from scratch,
are probably the most nutritious foods available.

Cut out the sugary crap, including very sweet fruit and very starchy
vegetables. Eat the lower glycemic-load produce. Eat real food. Avoid
refined and processed foods, including refined grains and sugars. Cut
out soda and other sources of HFCS, (high fructose corn syrup).

Refined carbs will deplete you of the important water soluble vitamins
which will lead to all kinds of problems including depression, anxiety
and panic.

Do this and you will regain your physical and mental health and live a
long healthy life. You will notice a difference within days.

TC

> I am a 36 year old, physically active, married father of four.  It has
> only been this year that I've become actively concerned with
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>
> James
Olafur Pall Olafsson - 11 Jan 2006 22:01 GMT
Hi James,

> I am a 36 year old, physically active, married father of four.  It has
> only been this year that I've become actively concerned with
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> Frankly, after doing a good bit of reading over the past year or so ...
> I still find supplements to be very confusing.

The human body is extremely complex and each supplement effects it in
several different ways (many which are currently unknown) so any
research on what supplements to take to improve your health is bound to
be confusing.

> I'm curious to hear
> opinions regarding my supplement regimen, especially as regards my age,
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> 2 grams Life Extension super EPA/DHA, twice daily
> 50mg CoQ10, twice daily

At your age you probably still produce plenty of CoQ10 endogenously.  I
suggest cutting your dose of CoQ10 in half.

> 200mg alpha lipoic acid, twice daily

Is that racemic ala or R-ala?  If it's the former I suggest switching
to the R form and reducing the dose a little, perhaps even cutting it
in half.

> 500mg turmeric, twice daily
> 500mg ginger, twice daily
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> (4.7).  My doctor was only concerned with the HDL, because all the
> others fell inside lab 'normal'.  :)

Well your doctor obviously doesn't know what he's talking about.  My
doctor also told me there was nothing to be concerned about when I told
him my blood sugar wasn't as low as it should be.  After he showed me
the results of the oral glucose tolerance test I had taken he told me
that I was in the normal range and therefore there was nothing to be
worried about.  He was wrong.  After taking matters in my own hands I
managed to drastically improve my blood sugar levels by upping my
chromium intake.  If you care about your health you should definitely
take additional measures to lower your fasting glucose and homocysteine
and increase your HDL levels.

To increase your HDL levels the most effective measures are exercising
and maintaining a low bodyweight and bodyfat percentage.  These
measures should also help lowering your fasting glucose.  I also
recommend that you try upping your chromium intake to up to 1000mcg a
day and see if your blood glucose improves.  Chromium is one of the
most effective supplements to improve blood sugar and people with
impared glucose tolerance may need up to 1000mcg of chromium daily
(PMID: 9356027).  To reduce your homocysteine I suggest adding TMG to
your regimen, perhaps even a few grams of it daily since your
homocysteine is so high.   Just be aware that high doses of TMG can
cause an increase in your LDL cholesterol (PMID: 15916468).  I also
suggest adding lecithin (a source of choline) to reduce your
homocysteine.  And while creatine may have some negative effects
(search the group for "creatine AND methylamine" to see discussion on
that) in your case since you have high homocysteine levels taking a few
grams of creatine might be adviceable.  This is particularly true for
males since endogenous creatine synthesis seems to consume more methyl
groups in males than in females probably becasue males have more muscle
mass than females.

> I'm hoping that six months on this supplement regimen, and improvements
> in my diet and exercise levels will have improved these numbers, but
> I've not repeated the tests yet.

Were you not taking any supplements when you got the test results you
posted above, and did you exercise regularly?  If not I would
definitely expect these values to have improved since your last test.

> James
just ed - 12 Jan 2006 01:29 GMT
<SNIP generally good advice>

> I also
> suggest adding lecithin (a source of choline) to reduce your
> homocysteine.

While a choline sup can help reduce homocysteine
I think that lecithin is a poor choline source.

ref
http://www.pdrhealth.com/drug_info/nmdrugprofiles/nutsupdrugs/pho_0288.shtml
and assuming you're talking about soy lecithin granules since oil
capsules and egg lecithin are worse:

for each .5 g of choline you'd need about 15 g of granules
which also yields up to 7.5 g of linoleic acid (bad omega 6) and
.9 to 1.35g alpha-linolenic acid (mostly ok omega 3).

The OP is taking 4 fish oil caps/day: ~1.2 g/day omega 3 so, like most
of us, he probably doesn't need a relatively high omega 6/omega 3 fat
supplement like lecithin.

I'd suggest choline tablets instead.  They're pretty cheap and much
more convenient than choking down tablespoons full of granules.

Ed
Olafur Pall Olafsson - 12 Jan 2006 04:52 GMT
> <SNIP generally good advice>
>
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> of us, he probably doesn't need a relatively high omega 6/omega 3 fat
> supplement like lecithin.

Yes most people definitely don't need more omega-6 fats.  But omega--6
fats are only unhealthy in excess.  You don't need much of them daily
so he would have to keep his intake of omega-6 fats from diet very low
if he want's to keep his omega-3/omega-6 ratio optimal particularly if
he supplements with lecithin.  Also because these fats are
polyunsaturated it is very important to take fat soluble antioxidants
at the same time he takes the lecithin.  Best would be to find a
lecithin supplement that has antioxidants added to it to prevent it
form oxidation.  So far I have not found such a product.  A Lecithin
product by LEF named "Lecithin w/B5 and BHA" might be good choice in
this regard, it has BHA which apparently preserves the fatty acids in
it (I have not looked into BHA though).  I would also recommend
lecithin capsules over lecithin powder if he choses to take lecithin
since the capsules should help prevent the lecithin from oxidizing.

> I'd suggest choline tablets instead.  They're pretty cheap and much
> more convenient than choking down tablespoons full of granules.

Yes choline tablets would be a good choice too for his homocysteine,
the reason I mentioned lecithin is because it has some additional
benefits f.ex. the brain is largely composed of lecithin (30% if I
remember correctly) and for that reason lecithin can have positive
effects on cognitive function.
jamesbeebop - 12 Jan 2006 05:23 GMT
Olafur,

Thanks for the great info!

What I still find to be quite confusing ... is how to find the "best"
information about supplementation and longevity.  I'm not a
professional scientist, and reading raw study data leaves me feeling
overwhelmed.  How do you know it's a 'good' study?

I started down this path with The Antioxidant Miracle by Lester Packer
... then I read Fantastic Voyage by Ray Kurzweil and Terry Grossman.  I
now *love* reading Kurzweil, and am currently working on The
Singularity is Near.  I've also become a member of LEF and get their
magazine.

How do I know these are good sources of information though ... how do I
modify my supplement regimen to best suite my specific needs.  Perhaps
in time, I'll feel more comfortable in this area, but right now, as I
said, it leaves me feeling overwhelmed.

In answer to questions you posed ... it's the racemic form of ALA, and
I'd been considering switching to the 'R' version after I ran out of
what I have now.

I started 'into' supplements around the beginning of this year ...
February, some time.  But, I've been learning as I go ... and what I
take today isn't even close to what I was taking then.  I've been
taking the LEF mix and booster for around 3 months ... and also
exercising more and more regularly in that same time frame.  This has
all been *after* my most recent blood tests ... so, I do hope to see
some improvement in those results.  I was frustrated with the initial
test results because I have always had a reasonably low body weight and
(presumably) body fat percentage.  I'm 5'8" and weigh around 140, or a
little less.  Not on lot of room for fat.  :)
Olafur Pall Olafsson - 13 Jan 2006 02:35 GMT
> Olafur,
>
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> professional scientist, and reading raw study data leaves me feeling
> overwhelmed.  How do you know it's a 'good' study?

You mean how do you know it's a positive study?  If that is what you
mean that is a thing which requires some basic knowledge about the
human body as well as understanding of scientific abstracts.  That is
not something you just learn overnight.  However you do not have to be
a scientist or highly educated to learn this (I am not), all you need
is sound thinking, interest in the subject and the willingness to
learn.

> I started down this path with The Antioxidant Miracle by Lester Packer
> ... then I read Fantastic Voyage by Ray Kurzweil and Terry Grossman.  I
> now *love* reading Kurzweil, and am currently working on The
> Singularity is Near.  I've also become a member of LEF and get their
> magazine.

I got into life-extension when I read the book "Stop Aging Now by Jean
Carper".  That is the only book I've read that is related to
life-extension (I rarely read books), all my research since then has
been solely done on the internet.

> How do I know these are good sources of information though ... how do I
> modify my supplement regimen to best suite my specific needs.  Perhaps
> in time, I'll feel more comfortable in this area, but right now, as I
> said, it leaves me feeling overwhelmed.

I understand that, researching life-extension is not easy particularly
to start with but if you keep researching it you will eventually start
to understand it better.  In the mean time just keep on reading and
don't hesitate to ask questions.

> In answer to questions you posed ... it's the racemic form of ALA, and
> I'd been considering switching to the 'R' version after I ran out of
> what I have now.

That's a great idea, I highly recommend that you switch to the R-form.
The racemic form is a 50/50 mixture of the S- and R- enantiomers.  The
R- enantiomer is the same form of ALA as is endogenously produced in
the body and is responsible for most of the benefits of ALA.  The S-
enantiomer on the other hand is not normally found in the body and it
has been shown to have some negative effects.

> I started 'into' supplements around the beginning of this year ...
> February, some time.  But, I've been learning as I go ... and what I
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> all been *after* my most recent blood tests ... so, I do hope to see
> some improvement in those results.

You will most definitely see some improvement in the parameters from
the changes you've made.  Please post your test results when you take
another blood test, it will be interesting to see what has changed.

> I was frustrated with the initial
> test results because I have always had a reasonably low body weight and
> (presumably) body fat percentage.  I'm 5'8" and weigh around 140, or a
> little less.  Not on lot of room for fat.  :)

You have a good BMI for life-extension and not much room for weight
loss.  And while you may not know your bodyfat percentage if you have
visible abs that's a sign your bodyfat is probably close to being
optimal for life-extension.  Given these stats and your age I would
expect you to have better glucose tolerance and higher HDL cholesterol
if you eat healthy and are physically active but this of course is very
individual and depends on a lot of factors.  F.ex. it seems that some
people that have low HDL levels do not experience a rise in HDL levels
from exercising which otherwise is one of the most effective ways to
increase HDL levels (PMID: 9568755).  This last is not as true for
women as it is for males (PMID: 7055869, PMID: 229871).
Jim - 14 Jan 2006 02:02 GMT
Hi,
There is criticism of Fantastic Voyage by Ray Kurzweil by a chemistry
Prof, that I've responded to here:
http://detoxifynow.com/snake_oil.html

A good source of longevity info is: The Tao of Health, Sex and
Longevity by Daniel Reid.This are excerpts about therapeutic juices and
foods:
http://detoxifynow.com/juicing.html
jamesbeebop - 15 Jan 2006 16:04 GMT
If I supplement with chromium to control blood sugar levels ... does
this work to reduce insulin resistance such that at some future point
in time, given a healthy diet and exercise regimen, I would be able to
reduce or eliminate chromium supplementation altogether?  Same type of
question for supplementing to reduce homocysteine.  Do I eventually
arrive at a point where things are 'equalized' again ... or, is the
supplementation a lifelong prospect.  Even perhaps, an *increasing*
amount of these nutrients as I age?

Thanks!

James
Paul Antonik Wakfer - 15 Jan 2006 20:33 GMT
> If I supplement with chromium to control blood sugar levels ... does
> this work to reduce insulin resistance such that at some future point
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> supplementation a lifelong prospect.  Even perhaps, an *increasing*
> amount of these nutrients as I age?

No. Generally supplementing is not a cure, in the sense of a
restoration of the entire phenotype to a younger state.
At the current time very little real *reversal* of aging is possible.
Even if certain biological parameters are put back to younger levels,
they then begin to change once more in the direction of aging, at best,
very slowly from the new level and even then only if one persists with
the therapy which set them back to the younger levels.

At the present time you should consider supplementation to be a
lifelong prospect.Some therapies including some supplements should
probably be increased with age, but that would not apply to many, since
many of them will become negative if increased too much.

--Paul Wakfer

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