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Medical Forum / General / Nutrition / October 200521 million Americans have diabetes
http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=healthNews&storyID=2005-10 -26T211500Z_01_WRI676472_RTRIDST_0_HEALTH-DIABETES-DC.XML 21 million Americans have diabetes, CDC finds Wed Oct 26, 2005 10:15 PM BST WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Nearly 21 million Americans have diabetes, most of them the type-2 variety associated with poor diet, too little exercise and being overweight, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported on Wednesday. This represents about 7 percent of the population -- and more than 6 million of these people do not know they have the condition, the CDC said. "Another 41 million people are estimated to have pre-diabetes, a condition that increases the risk of developing type 2 diabetes -- the most common form of the disease -- as well as heart disease and stroke," the CDC said in a statement. Diabetes is a lack of control of glucose, or blood sugar. Type-1 diabetes, or juvenile diabetes, is an autoimmune condition in which the body mistakenly destroys the pancreatic cells that make insulin. It affects an estimated 2 million Americans. Type-2 diabetes once was called adult-onset diabetes but it now affects many children as well. It is the sixth leading cause of death in the United States and can lead to many other diseases. "Diabetes is a leading cause of adult blindness, lower-limb amputation, kidney disease and nerve damage. Two-thirds of people with diabetes die from a heart attack or stroke," said Dr. Frank Vinicor, director of CDC's diabetes program. Several genes are known to contribute to diabetes, but it has become more common as the population has become fatter. The risk of diabetes increases with age. About 21 percent of Americans aged 60 years or older have diabetes, the CDC said. "Recent studies have shown that people with pre-diabetes can successfully prevent or delay the onset of diabetes by losing 5 percent to 7 percent of their body weight," Vinicor said in a statement. "This can be accomplished through 30 minutes or more of physical activity most days of the week and by following a low calorie, low fat eating plan, including a diet rich in whole grains and fruits and vegetables," he added. ********* A diet rich in grains? Isn't that what got us here in the first place? TC "A diet rich in grains? Isn't that what got us here in the first place?" No, it was the ambient temperature of the room in which it was eaten. Consuming whole grains isn't the cause of diabetes, as research shows, among those who do eat them the risk of diabetes is lower. Carbs are not the cause of diabetes, but some people want simple minded black and white answers to confirm certain lifestyle food cult choices. > "A diet rich in grains? Isn't that what got us here in the first place?" > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > the cause of diabetes, but some people want simple minded black and white > answers to confirm certain lifestyle food cult choices. Sugar and refined grains products have increased in consumption in lock step with the increase, since the 1970s, in obesity and obesity related disease like diabetes. TC "Sugar and refined grains products have increased in consumption in lock step with the increase, since the 1970s, in obesity and obesity related" Ah, note we were talking about whole grain foods and lowered risk of diabetes. Note also that intake of saturated fats increased likewise and the combination with refined carb sources is related to the increase of diabetes. Obesity is also related to risk of diabetes but most such don't get diabetes and there is a fraction getting it whose weight is within the normal range. As said, simple minded black and white answers to complex questions don't serve except as fodder for the lifestyle food cults. > "Sugar and refined grains products have increased in consumption in lock > step with the increase, since the 1970s, in obesity and obesity related" [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > normal range. As said, simple minded black and white answers to complex > questions don't serve except as fodder for the lifestyle food cults. Confused, convoluted, illogical and counter-intuitive answers like we keep hearing from the American Diabetes Association and the American Medical Association don't serve except as fodder for the medical and food profiteers who happen to heavily sponsor both those organizations. If they can't (or won't) tell us what causes the disease how can they proceed to treat the disease or be seen to know enough to authoritatively suggest corrective solutions? Read Dr. Bernstein Diabetes Solution. It's an eye opener. Then read the ADA website, talk about black vs white. One tells you what causes diabetes T2 and then proceeds to teach you how to fix it. The other tells you what doesn't cause diabetes then tells you where to get the equipment and the meds to measure your blood sugars and to take copious amounts of artificial insulin. TC "Confused, convoluted, illogical and counter-intuitive answers like we" Just so, give us simple minded answers to soothe the minds of the lifestyle food cults, not the truth which is complex. "If they can't (or won't) tell us what causes the disease how can they proceed to treat the disease or be seen to know enough to authoritatively suggest corrective solutions?" Thank you for this confession of the level of your knowledge about disease and its treatment. The proposed causes are complex, best not to confuse those seeking simple minded answers, do your own homework. "Read Dr. Bernstein Diabetes Solution. It's an eye opener. Then read the ADA website, talk about black vs white. One tells you what causes diabetes T2 and then proceeds to teach you how to fix it. The other tells you what doesn't cause diabetes then tells you where to get the equipment and the meds to measure your blood sugars and to take copious amounts of artificial insulin." I have the book, you have not read it, you have read about it. He knows exactly the same as do all people about the cause of the disease as we can be sure he reads the same journals as others. He doesn't say carbs causes diabetes. He is foremost in his support for glucose testing and the equipment to do so, he having been one of the first to adopt the gear for his own personal use. He has an entire section devoted to insulin selection and use as well as same for other diabetic drugs. He fixes nothing, he helps match foods eaten with best control of glucose levels by testing and use of drugs.. > "Confused, convoluted, illogical and counter-intuitive answers like we" > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > and its treatment. The proposed causes are complex, best not to confuse > those seeking simple minded answers, do your own homework. The causes are only complex when you try to sell the snake oil that pharma and food industry is selling. If you are actually interested in finding the cause and the cure, it ain't that hard to find. Dr Bernstein's approach is quite simple in concept.... kick the refined carbs. > "Read Dr. Bernstein Diabetes Solution. It's an eye opener. Then read the > ADA website, talk about black vs white. One tells you what causes diabetes [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > helps match foods eaten with best control of glucose levels by testing and > use of drugs.. His primary attack on diabetes is to remove the cause of chronic high blood glucose levels and that is refined carbs. Testing is to to confirm the effectiveness of his advise and drugs are only used if you've damaged your body beyond its ability to repair itself. You have the book, but you've either not read it or you are putiing as much soin on it as you can to make it sound like it follows the mainstream ideas on diabetes as promulgated by the ADA. If you actually read it and understand it, you will know that refined carbs do not belong in the diet of a diabetic or a normal person for that matter. TC "If you are actually interested in finding the cause and the cure, it ain't that hard to find. Dr Bernstein's approach is quite simple in concept.... kick the refined carbs." He doesn't say carbs causes diabetes and he offers no cure for same nor claims to have one. He has a method to tightly control glucose levels after meals by first restricting carb intake and then using exercise and drugs as required to match the insulin at hand to the intake. That's it in a nutshell. He advises multiple daily blood glucose tests as feedback to confirm and adjust accordingly the method. You are trying to coop his method into your lifestyle food cult choices nd it ain't gonna fit. You have not read the book except as blurbs including that at amazon so stop the baloney tap dancing. > "If you are actually interested in finding the cause and the cure, it > ain't [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > in > a nutshell. Restricting carbs lowers blood glucose levels. Chronic high blood glucose levels is what does the damage seen in diabetes, like insulin resistance, eye deterioration, heart disease, blood circulatory degradation, etc. Cut the carbs and restore your health. If your high carb diet hasn't killed your insulin receptors or your pancreas' ability to produce insulin you may recover completely ie. be cured. Taking insulin is only needed when too much damage has been done to the insulin receptors or the pancreas or while learning what to eat. Testing for bgl is necessary until all signs are normal and you have learned how to eat properly, ie. with no refined carbs in the diet. The goal is to get away from testing bgl and having to take insulin, and Bernstein's method is the best way to do just that. To Dr Bernstein, a diabetic is a person who needs to learn how to eat right and control the disease while minimizing damage, and in many cases clearing up all the symptoms and entirely stopping the damage and the need for drugs or insulin. The ADA says that you *must* test bgl and you *must* take insulin forever, while still eating the damaging carbs in copious quantities. They are not interested in a cure but only in continuing treatment for as long as possible while you get sicker and sicker, needing more and more (expensive $$$)treatments for eye problems ($$$), circulatory problems ($$$), mobility problems($$$), etc. while comsuming copious amounts of insulin ($$$) and diabetes drugs ($$$). To the ADA, a diabetic patient is a goldmine ($$$). A source of income ($$$) for their sponsors. And they are maximizing their sponsors income ($$$$$$$$$$$). If restricting carbs gets rid of the symptoms and the damage caused by diabetes, what do you think caused it in the first place? Dietary fat and obesity? Or the carbs? Bernstein say carbs and his methods work. The ADA says they don't quite know but they are "guessing" that "maybe" it's dietary fat and obesity that causes diabetes. And their recommendations have cured no-one and in virtually all cases simply make things worse for the patient while making money for doctors, pharma, and other medical companies. Which would you trust? > He advises multiple daily blood glucose tests as feedback to > confirm and adjust accordingly the method. You are trying to coop his > method into your lifestyle food cult choices nd it ain't gonna fit. You > have not read the book except as blurbs including that at amazon so stop > the baloney tap dancing. I have read the book, twice. Which is twice as many times as you appear to have read it. My father died from complications from diabetes T2 and I watched him deteriorate before my eyes from the time I was about 10 years old until his death when I was 15. He sufferred from circulatory problems, a gangrenous infection, an amputation, stroke and eventually a heart attack. If you think for one moment that I haven't done my research on the topic then you are a fool. Continually implying that I haven't read the material is nothing more than an obnoxious attempt to denigrate my knowledge on the topic and you are wrong there, buddy. So before you try that tack again, go f.ck yourself, you ignorant little industry toad. TC >> "If you are actually interested in finding the cause and the cure, it >> ain't [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >resistance, eye deterioration, heart disease, blood circulatory >degradation, etc. Cut the carbs and restore your health. If your high >carb diet hasn't killed your insulin receptors or your pancreas' >ability to produce insulin you may recover completely ie. be cured. Carbs do not wear out your pancreas or your insulin receptors. >Taking insulin is only needed when too much damage has been done to the >insulin receptors or the pancreas or while learning what to eat. [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >their sponsors. And they are maximizing their sponsors income >($$$$$$$$$$$). Yawn, treating the symptoms. >If restricting carbs gets rid of the symptoms and the damage caused by >diabetes, what do you think caused it in the first place? > >Dietary fat and obesity? Or the carbs? > >Bernstein say carbs and his methods work. treating the symptoms. >The ADA says they don't quite know but they are "guessing" that "maybe" >it's dietary fat and obesity that causes diabetes. And their [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] >try that tack again, go f.ck yourself, you ignorant little industry >toad. So are you begining to realize there is a genetic predisposition to the disease that has nothing to do with diet? Because guess what, my 89 year old grandfather eats carbs and refined sugars and so does my other 88 year old grandfather and so does my father and so do I and my brother and my brothers son and guess what, none of us have T2 diabetes. >TC Before we grade your essay, the reason he restricts carbs is because of the principle discussed in the section that is called "the law of large numbers", if recalling correctly. His method is to control glucose using insulin available and to max the latter using exercise and drugs as required. In principle this could be a normal amount of carbs matched by the corresponding amount of insulin to cover it, just as happens in non diabetics. However with today's technologies of attempting this a tight control in glucose is not yet possible because small mistakes when dealing with large numbers means large differences in outcomes which leads to large swings in post meal changes in insulin and glucose. Thus if one starts with small amounts of glucose one needs small amounts of insulin to cover it and this can be achieved with exercise and using current technology of drugs and constant meter testing. He doesn't say carbs causes diabetes and he doesn't say consuming restricted amounts cures it either. He says that current technology can produce tight control and in time many symptoms can be reversed in some people and near normal glucose levels realized. The underlying disease remains however, diabetes is for life. Now to grading your essay: "Restricting carbs lowers blood glucose levels. Chronic high blood glucose levels is what does the damage seen in diabetes, like insulin resistance, eye deterioration, heart disease, blood circulatory degradation, etc. Cut the carbs and restore your health." Grade b, will let the few quibbles pass.Almost correct, despite the quibbles go on. "If your high carb diet hasn't killed your insulin receptors or your pancreas' ability to produce insulin you may recover completely ie. be cured." Grade f. Receptors are not killed; cells are made insulin resistant, right organ, beta cells are what are killed, diabetes never "cured", symptoms can be controlled and glucose levels controlled tightly. "Taking insulin is only needed when too much damage has been done to the insulin receptors or the pancreas or while learning what to eat." grade d, same reason, only indirectly related to "learning" food. "Testing for bgl is necessary until all signs are normal and you have "learned how to eat properly, ie. with no refined carbs in the diet. The goal is to get away from testing bgl and having to take insulin, and Bernstein's method is the best way to do just that." Grade f. for a type 1 no insulin means death, not source of carbs but amount, one can never cease testing, according to Bernstein. His is not the only method that produces very similar results. "To Dr Bernstein, a diabetic is a person who needs to learn how to eat right and control the disease while minimizing damage, and in many cases clearing up all the symptoms and entirely stopping the damage and the need for drugs or insulin." Grade c. diabetes is an always thing, only symptoms can be controled, the metabolic disorders are always there, depending on individuals; drugs is a life long thing also. Sorry to hear of your dad. It gives some insight as to your views, misguided and misinformed as they are, about medicine. I don't yet think you have read the book, maybe I should give you a pop quiz on it's contents. I do doubt you have grasp of the basic science related to diabetes as shown in past and confirmed in this essay. Recall the recent thread where you tried to push 200 as a glucose number and what is a "normal" number and what the real numbers are are far from what you preached in that essay too. You may have done home work, but it was for entrance into the lifestyle food cult of your choice and getting control of which sound bites to plug in where as they so direct. Until the next class... > Before we grade your essay, the reason he restricts carbs is because of the > principle discussed in the section that is called "the law of large [quoted text clipped - 68 lines] > which sound bites to plug in where as they so direct. Until the next > class... You are a f.cking a.shole and an industry whore so just go f.ck yourself. TC >You are a f.cking a.shole and an industry whore so just go f.ck >yourself. > >TC Game, set, and match you lose again. > >You are a f.cking a.shole and an industry whore so just go f.ck > >yourself. > > > >TC > > Game, set, and match you lose again. There simply is no point in arguing with an industry whore. TC "There simply is no point in arguing with an industry whore." Personal attack is the last refuge for a scoundrel, it has been said, and you have been driven there several times. So much so it is routine now and much of the fun taken out of it. >> "Confused, convoluted, illogical and counter-intuitive answers like we" >> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >Bernstein's approach is quite simple in concept.... kick the refined >carbs. If eating poptarts and drinking coke and having high blood sugars as a result is normal and not a disease exactly what is it then? Have those who do not have high blood sugar by eating sugar and refined carbs evolved so they can tolerate it? >> "Read Dr. Bernstein Diabetes Solution. It's an eye opener. Then read the >> ADA website, talk about black vs white. One tells you what causes diabetes [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >His primary attack on diabetes is to remove the cause of chronic high >blood glucose levels and that is refined carbs. The cause of chronic high blood glucose levels in those who have diabetes. The majority can eat carbs all day long and to no ill effect. >If you actually read it and understand it, you will know that refined >carbs do not belong in the diet of a diabetic or a normal person for >that matter. Ok so you now finally realize that a diabetic is someone who has a disease. A normal person would do well limit refined carbs but for other reasons besides high blood sugars. >> "Sugar and refined grains products have increased in consumption in lock >> step with the increase, since the 1970s, in obesity and obesity related" [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >proceed to treat the disease or be seen to know enough to >authoritatively suggest corrective solutions? Maybe because the exact cause is not known and most likely is a combination of hereditary, lifestyle factors such as diet and exercise. >Read Dr. Bernstein Diabetes Solution. It's an eye opener. The man who says he has all the answers to sell books. Yawn >Then read the ADA website, talk about black vs white. One tells you what causes >diabetes T2 and then proceeds to teach you how to fix it. Dr. Bernstein is not fixing anything merely treating the symptoms of the disease not curing it. Curing or fixing it means being able to eat all the sugar and carbs you want and having no affect on ones blood sugar. >The other tells you what doesn't cause diabetes then tells you where to get the >equipment and the meds to measure your blood sugars and to take copious >amounts of artificial insulin. Lifestyles are hard to change. >> "A diet rich in grains? Isn't that what got us here in the first place?" >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >step with the increase, since the 1970s, in obesity and obesity related >disease like diabetes. Food in general consumption has increased since the 1970s and so has a decrease in physical activity. > "Recent studies have shown that people with pre-diabetes can > successfully prevent or delay the onset of diabetes by losing 5 percent [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > TC Yes. ;-( Blame it on the wheat and corn lobbies.....  SignatureOm. "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson > > "Recent studies have shown that people with pre-diabetes can > > successfully prevent or delay the onset of diabetes by losing 5 percent [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Blame it on the wheat and corn lobbies..... And Big Sugar. TC Groups like this feel that this crap furthers their purpose of gaining attention and donations. They couldn't be more wrong - it just makes me tune them out, totally. If you have elevated blood sugar after pigging out on a pound of chocolates, you don't have diabetes, you just have a deficit of common sense. If you have to take significant dietary steps to prevent significant symptoms related to insulin-blood sugar matters, you have diabetes. Otherwise, you don't. |
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