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bob@coolgroups.com - 23 Oct 2005 15:10 GMT
Out of curiosity, anyone know what makes pink lemonade pink?
Sbharris[atsign]ix.netcom.com - 24 Oct 2005 20:37 GMT
> Out of curiosity, anyone know what makes pink lemonade pink?

Anthocyanins, the same stuff that makes red wine and red grape juice
red.  They make pink lemonade by adding a little red grape juice to it.

SBH
Julie Bove - 24 Oct 2005 23:55 GMT
> Out of curiosity, anyone know what makes pink lemonade pink?

Cherry juice or syrup.

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Sbharris[atsign]ix.netcom.com - 25 Oct 2005 00:06 GMT
> > Out of curiosity, anyone know what makes pink lemonade pink?
>
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> See my webpage:
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COMMENT:

Not commercially. Actually, although red grape extract has been used, I
find on further search the claim that traditionally in the US, beet
juice is used for pink lemonade. Reason: the betacyanin in beets holds
up better in acid environments like lemon juice. Betacyanin is not the
same stuff as anthocyanin (the pigment in grapes). As you might guess
from the fact that enough dietary beet will turn urine red, but no
amount of grape juice will.

http://www.answers.com/topic/beet

SBH
bob@coolgroups.com - 25 Oct 2005 02:17 GMT
i don't see any of this stuff when i read the label.

> > > Out of curiosity, anyone know what makes pink lemonade pink?
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Sbharris[atsign]ix.netcom.com - 25 Oct 2005 04:02 GMT
> i don't see any of this stuff when i read the label.

I'll bet you see something like "natural coloring".  That's the beet
juice. If it comes from a natural food source and is below a certain
percent, they don't have to tell you exactly what it is.
bob@coolgroups.com - 25 Oct 2005 18:15 GMT
it says 'red 40'.

the yellow kind has something like 'yellow 20'.
Sbharris[atsign]ix.netcom.com - 25 Oct 2005 20:00 GMT
> it says 'red 40'.
>
> the yellow kind has something like 'yellow 20'.

"Some like" doesn't cut it. There is no such thing as Yellow #20, so
far as I can tell.

Red 40 is an synthetic azo dye, which has some similarities to dyes
that have mutagen problems. Yuck. You might want to check out other
brands. This seems an odd risk to take (or give) for a few fractions of
a cent. Here's a neat website on red 40 with molecular pics which you
can change by passing your mouse across them.

http://www.red40.org/pages/chemistry.html
bob@coolgroups.com - 26 Oct 2005 09:27 GMT
it's yellow 5.  i quit the red stuff.
Sbharris[atsign]ix.netcom.com - 27 Oct 2005 02:09 GMT
> it's yellow 5.  i quit the red stuff.

LOL. See the same Red40 website. Yellow #5 (tartrazine) is related, and
has an even worse reputation, mainly due to the occasional person who's
allergic to it. And of course, all those Feingold diet people who think
their kids have ADHD due to food dyes, with yellow #5 heading the list.
Whether there's anything to this, I don't know. There is at least one
good double blind study of tartrazine and mood, which was positive.

In any case, in your stuff, for red they should have used beet juice
:). And for yellow, beta carotene.  Yellow solid foods (like mustard)
are usually colored with Natural Yellow #3, which is curcumin. Which is
probably good for you. So you have to read the labels carefully.

SBH
bob@coolgroups.com - 27 Oct 2005 03:10 GMT
beta carotene causes lung cancer.  plus, it's not yellow.

> > it's yellow 5.  i quit the red stuff.
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Sbharris[atsign]ix.netcom.com - 27 Oct 2005 03:16 GMT
b...@coolgroups.com wrote:
> beta carotene causes lung cancer.  plus, it's not yellow.

Solutions of it are, I promise. Ask how I know.

It only causes lung cancer in smokers.

SBH
bob@coolgroups.com - 27 Oct 2005 15:30 GMT
how do u know it's only smokers

also, why do you think it's yellow
MMu - 27 Oct 2005 16:27 GMT
> how do u know it's only smokers

read the (already famous) finland-study!
(smokers and non-smokers supplemented with beta carotene were screened for
cancer risk;
smokers supplemented with beta carotene had higher risk, so the study had to
be stopped.)

it does not "cause" cancer however.

> also, why do you think it's yellow

a dilution effect probably.. lycopene should be the yellow carotinoid while
beta carotene could be yellow if diluted and is orange otherwise.
Sbharris[atsign]ix.netcom.com - 27 Oct 2005 19:37 GMT
> > also, why do you think it's yellow
>
> a dilution effect probably.. lycopene should be the yellow carotinoid while
> beta carotene could be yellow if diluted and is orange otherwise.

Yep. All carotenoids are basically yellow in dilution, as true
solutions or microemulsions. And they get pretty yellow before they
begin to show orange or red.
fresh~horses - 25 Oct 2005 04:31 GMT
> > > Out of curiosity, anyone know what makes pink lemonade pink?
> >
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> from the fact that enough dietary beet will turn urine red, but no
> amount of grape juice will.

> http://www.answers.com/topic/beet

Didn't mention borscht.

> SBH
 
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