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Medical Forum / General / Nutrition / August 2005

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Heart Health Benefits of Polyunsaturated Fats Confirmed

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outsor@citynet.net - 26 Aug 2005 17:07 GMT
Adding to previous research, cvd risk is lower with the use of
polyunsaturated fats:

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/medicalnews.php?newsid=29697
montygram - 27 Aug 2005 01:59 GMT
Since it is now known that oxidized cholesterol is the problem, and
PUFAs are highly susceptible to free radical degradation, these
"researchers" only demonstrate that they know how to mislead and/or are
unbelievably ignorant of basic science.  I've have explained on this
newsgroup over and over again how they are able to make these claims
(the beef vs. chicken/fish factor, the social factor, etc.).  Notice
that they do not define what constitutes "saturated fat."  Nor do they
supply the raw data.  I've asked these kinds of people for the raw
data, as well as the questionnaires, and they just blow you off.  They
are not willing to submit their claims to the scientifc process, and
their work deserves to be dismissed as science fiction, though at least
in science fiction you get entertainment value, unlike this garbage.
Why don't you ask the good Mr. Willett what his explanation is the for
millions of Aisans who stuff themselves with the most saturated food
their is, but have the lowest rates of "chronic diseases," including
CHD.  I'll bet he'll tell you he has an important meeting to get to,
but that he'll get baclk to you soon (meaning never).If  you want to
listen to such nonsense, I just hope you have a strong belief in the
afterlife, because you will be there soon.
outsor@citynet.net - 27 Aug 2005 17:12 GMT
Take it up with the author's, start by reading the full article in answer
to your questions.  It is in the british medical journal, which means peer
review which includes a view to meeting minimal scientific vigor in
research methods and data.  That folks have blown you off comes as no
surprise if hostility shown here is the norm in your requests.
joshv - 29 Aug 2005 20:12 GMT
This is a bit meatier.

http://bmj.bmjjournals.com/cgi/content/full/331/7510/187

The problem with this stuff is that the studies are all over the map.
It's almost impossible to control for all variables that might
influence heart health.    Here is this study's attempt to "control"
for the decreasing rates of smoking in Poland:

"From 1990 to 2004, the prevalence of smoking in Poland fell among
people younger than 40 but increased from 23.1% to 35.2% among women
aged 40-60. Among men, it fell from 51.1% to 46.1% at age 40-49, from
51.1% to 46.1% at 50-59, and from 34.3% to 28.2% over 60. If we assume
a relative risk of 3 for current smoking then a reduction in prevalence
of 5% (from 55% to 50%) would reduce the risk of coronary heart disease
by about 5%. This, and similar declines in rates of coronary heart
disease among men and women, indicates that changes in smoking
contributed little to falling rates of coronary heart disease."

Do they actually have any detailed data on people with heart disease
and whether or not they smoke?  Nope.  They just make the claim that
decreased rates of smoking couldn't possibly explain the decrease in
heart disease mortality.  Also, what about the under 40s?  If there was
a significant drop in smoking among under 40s starting in 1990, this
could have a significant impact on heart disease mortality in 2004 -
but for some reason this is ignored.

Note also that this study addresses only CHD mortality, not prevalence.
Nothing is mentionned about the overall prevalence of heart disease.
Is it increasing?  Decreasing?  Perhaps the cause of lower mortality is
better health care.  This "study" doesn't even try to address the
quality of health care in Poland.  I'd imagine it's much better today
than it was in 1990.  With access to modern medical interventions, I'd
expect a coronary event to be much more survivable than it was in the
Soviet era.  In fact with better care, the overall incidence of heart
disease could be *increasing*, while mortality decreases.

So what do we have here?  A "study" with nothing more than bulk
demographic disease prevalence data combined with agricultural import
statistics that could not possibly control for confounding factors.
Weak.

> Take it up with the author's, start by reading the full article in answer
> to your questions.  It is in the british medical journal, which means peer
> review which includes a view to meeting minimal scientific vigor in
> research methods and data.  That folks have blown you off comes as no
> surprise if hostility shown here is the norm in your requests.
joshv - 29 Aug 2005 22:22 GMT
Also, see this rapid response, which does an excellent job of refuting
the author's claims:

http://bmj.bmjjournals.com/cgi/eletters/331/7510/187

> Adding to previous research, cvd risk is lower with the use of
> polyunsaturated fats:
>
> http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/medicalnews.php?newsid=29697
 
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