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Medical Forum / General / Nutrition / August 2005PCRM and animal rights extremists
http://www.pcrm.org/about/ Here is some intersting information about Neal Barnard and his cronies on the board of PCRM: Neal D Barnard Chevy Chase, MD 20815 (301) 951-3457 PCRM president Neal D. Barnard, M.D., is a popular speaker and the author of Turn Off the Fat Genes; Foods That Fight Pain; Eat Right, Live Longer; Food for Life; and other books on preventive medicine. http://www.activistcash.com/biography.cfm/bid/455 http://www.activistcash.com/organization_motivation.cfm/oid/23 http://www.answers.com/topic/physicians-committee-for-responsible-medicine T. Colin Campbell, Ph.D., Department of Nutrition, Cornell University. President and CEO of the biotechnology company Paracelsian. (http://www.paracelsian.com/company/management.shtml 6/27/01)On Board of Advisors and Chairman of BioSignia's science advisory board,(http://www.paracelsian.com/company/board.shtml 6/27/01), CSPI phone interview (6/27/01) and is co-founder of the biotechnology company Biomar International Inc.(http://www.paracelsian.com/compay/press_releases/Jan201998.shtml 6/8/01) Research on the association of dietary factors and selected plasma variables with sex hormone binding globulin in rural Chinese women supported in part by Health Valley Corporation. (Am. J. Clin. Nutr. 1996;63:22-31) Caldwell B. Esselstyn, Jr., M.D., Cleveland Clinic, Department of General Surgery. Convened a symposium on cholesterol and coronary disease, Sept. 4-5,1997, Lake Buena Vista, FL., supported by a grant from Park-Davis and Pfizer (Am. J. Cardiology 1998;82 (Suppl 10B)) Lawrence H. Kushi, Sc.D., Professor of nutrition and education, Teachers College, Columbia University. Previously: University of Minnesota, Div. Epidemiology, School of Public Health. Study on Wheaties/whole grains (Am. J. Pub. Health. 1999;89:322-9) received funding from General Mills, which issued a press release on it (3/1/99). **** Even animal rights activists aren't above being corrupt and pursuing personal financial gain. TC Cripes! Why don't you just bend over and pull your a.s cheeks apart? THAT's just asking for a reaming. What the hell does this have to do with nutrition anyways? And before your twisted little mind comes up with anything, I'm not a PETA type any more than I'm a vegan. At least try to stick with the subject. [Shakes head with disgust] > Cripes! > Why don't you just bend over and pull your a.s cheeks apart? [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > At least try to stick with the subject. > [Shakes head with disgust] The subject is science, medicine and nutrition. PCRM maintains that it is a physicians group (medicine) and dispenses all kinds of advice on diet (nutrition). They advocate a vegetarian *diet* supposed based on their *scientific* and *medical* expertise. My post brings attention to who PCRM really are, so that people can take their "scientific-based medical nutritional" advice for what it really is, animal rights dogma. I don't give a rats a.s whether or not you eat meat, veggies or sh.t, that is your business. Nor do I care whether you are with PETA or the FBI or the CIA for that matter. Your comments are irrelevant and biased, as well as completely useless to the discussion, and everyone in the ng knows that. TC > > Cripes! > > Why don't you just bend over and pull your a.s cheeks apart? [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > TC C'mon TC... you can't even admit that this topic belongs in a different forum? How can we take someone seriously when they never EVER admit to being wrong? Even when they're obviously wrong? You've got some sort of self esteem problem, man.... > > > Cripes! > > > Why don't you just bend over and pull your a.s cheeks apart? [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > You've got some sort of self esteem problem, man.... What is your problem? Why do you believe that it is your duty to try to police an open usenet forum? Who died and made you god? Go f.ck yourself. TC > > > > Cripes! > > > > Why don't you just bend over and pull your a.s cheeks apart? [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > TC God died and made me God. It was in his will. TC Wrote: "Your comments are irrelevant and biased, as well as completely useless to the discussion, and everyone in the ng knows that." TC, sorry to break it to ya, but that is just not the case. Look at the number of people saying exactly the same thing about you. Hell, you're the ONLY one who complained about me. Everyone else seems to have been pretty supportive of my posts. Again, you post propaganda and, in this case, outright lies. And you are being caught at it. And Krane is absolutely right. This topic DOES belong on another forum. But as I see it, you shouldn't have posted this type on inflammatory commentary here in the first place. Finally: "I don't give a rats a.s whether or not you eat meat, veggies or sh.t, that is your business." Well apparently that's not true either. The purpose of posting this type of article is to influence people. You said it yourself: "My post brings attention to who PCRM really are, so that people can take their "scientific-based medical nutritional" advice for what it really is, animal rights dogma." Holy crap! A lobotomized crack whore could stagger through the holes in your logic. It's like you're not even trying! Scary. BTW: How does you bum feel? :) > TC Wrote: > "Your comments are irrelevant and biased, as well as completely useless [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > you're the ONLY one who complained about me. Everyone else seems to > have been pretty supportive of my posts. TC is pretty much irrelevent. He is ignored by everybody who can read on their own. His cut and paste articles are troll droppings. > Again, you post propaganda and, in this case, outright lies. > And you are being caught at it. [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > BTW: How does you bum feel? > :) > > TC Wrote: > > "Your comments are irrelevant and biased, as well as completely useless [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > BTW: How does you bum feel? > > :) Irrelevant enough to have a three troll following. TC Only warning off the unwary. BTW: You seem to be mis-using the term "troll", dontcha think? "In the context of the Internet, a troll is a person who posts inflammatory messages intended to cause a disruption in discourse. The word is also often used to describe such messages." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll That's what people have been saying about you, TC, all along. Hell, look at what you posted at the top of this thread! Are you that blind or that stupid? Pull you head out of your a.s, genius. > "In the context of the Internet, a troll is a person who posts > inflammatory messages intended to cause a disruption in discourse. The > word is also often used to describe such messages." That is rich. You just described Krane, Robert and yourself. The three trollketeers. TC Who's the original poster on this thread? It also seems that the 3 people you mention are not the only ones who agree that you are "totally whacked." Thanks, Doug, for the support. I know that many others agree with us. I can't agree with you about PETA and nutition, but like you say, it just re-enforces that TC is a biased, rainbow-sniffing, pill-popping, flame-baiting, quack. TC, you just don't get it. > Who's the original poster on this thread? > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > TC, you just don't get it. Any time I get criticized by one of the three trollketeers I feel that I am on the right track and it gives me the encouragement to continue shedding light on the truth. TC > Any time I get criticized by one of the three trollketeers I feel that > I am on the right track and it gives me the encouragement to continue > shedding light on the truth. > > TC Oh. Is that what you're doing? Well, you're shedding something all right. Feces? Yup. Brain cells? Certainly! Truth? Hardly. Blaming us for your lack of intelligence? Sounds like it. Remember, I'm not only criticizing the info you post, but also your qualifications to post it in the first place. Your high horse is dead, along with this argument. Time to move on, pardner. > > Any time I get criticized by one of the three trollketeers I feel that > > I am on the right track and it gives me the encouragement to continue [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > Your high horse is dead, along with this argument. > Time to move on, pardner. Another hit. I'm batting 100. TC >> Another hit. I'm batting 100. Juts like the people inside the funny farm think they are correct and the world is wrong. You, ironnoggin, and milkbrain some how feel if you say something frequently it will become fact. I'm sorry the world in not flat, vegetarianism is a healthy diet to include children, milk is a healthy fluid, and as for ironnoggin, well, beam him some place. Each of you could do a skit on comedy central. Wait, you do a skit many times a day right here. -DF I feel the need to apoligize to TC. It seems I have been wrong about him. In the past, I call him a Meglomanic Parasite. That was not only mean, but incorrect as well. I now believe that TC has a serious inferiority complex. He's starved for attention. Perhaps he was not hugged by his mummy enough. Perhaps he's simply lonely. (Hell, Based on his online behaviour, I don't know of anyone who could stand to be around him for more than 2 minutes.) Perhaps he just has a really small penis. Combine that with fanatical ignorance, and we have a real loser. He's still a parasite, tho. Still posting while "working" I see. TC is also a self described troll. But the fundamental problem seems to be his disconnect with reality. He is acting like a total retard and he can't seem to see that. Like Doug says, "people inside the funny farm think they are correct and the world is wrong." So, the real score is: Myself, Krane, Susan, George, Mr. Natural Health, voyagernet, Robert, Jim Chinnis, xjoejx, MattLB, jt, Derek and Ann too, but I won't side with them either. I could easily go on... And now Doug gets it too! That's at least 14 for the non-idiots and 0 for TC. Batting 100? Yup, if you are counting dumbass points. "Critical thinking is my mantra, as you've all probably noticed by now. " HAHAHAHA! That's the dumbest thing you've said so far! You can't think your way out a food wrapper. Look at all the arguments you lost on these groups. Look at how others think of you. You are making yourself the laughing stock of these groups. Bully for you! Good Job! [Shakes head in disgust, again...] Oh, and Doug, You are right. I agree that PETA is an extreme group. I simply take offence to TC posting "bias bull Sh*t...99% of the time" as you say. I'm simply demanding that he prove himself. He hasn't yet, and prefers to tell me, and others, to "f**k off". Doug, you and I are aware of TC's "troubles", but many on these forums are not. Hopefully, they'll see these posts, see TC for what he is, and maybe have a good chuckle or 3. Have a good one! PH. PS: Iron-noggin? Pickles are usually crunchy! :) > So, the real score is: > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > xjoejx, > MattLB, Sorry, I'm not a TC-basher. While I may not have read everything he's posted, for the most part he seems to be on track and AFAICS has an impressive (and tireless) ability to root out divided or contrary loyalties in published reports. Even worse than that though, is being lined up on the same side of the fence as John Gohde :-O MattLB > > So, the real score is: > > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > MattLB Thanks Matt. I find your postings always informative and of interest and well researched. It is too bad that these trolls are turning this ng into a battle of personalities and taking attention away from the important and useful discussions. We need to killfile these jackasses and ignore them til they go away. TC My apologies, Matt. I didn't mean to imply that you agree or disagree with anyone else. > Another hit. I'm batting 100. > > TC That's "batting 1000", dumbass. Or are you only 10% successful? I don't really see the logic in thinking that the more people disagree with you, the more right you are. I guess it's easier than thinking you might be wrong. >> Another hit. I'm batting 100. >> >> TC > > That's "batting 1000", dumbass. LOL. > Or are you only 10% successful? Less than that. > I don't really see the logic in thinking that the more people disagree > with you, the more right you are. I guess it's easier than thinking > you might be wrong. > > Another hit. I'm batting 100. > > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > with you, the more right you are. I guess it's easier than thinking > you might be wrong. Your last sentence should have stopped after the word "thinking."  Signature------ Dr. Dickie "Let be be finale of seem. The only emperor is the emperor of ice-cream." -- Wallace Stevens > > Another hit. I'm batting 100. > > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > with you, the more right you are. I guess it's easier than thinking > you might be wrong. the logic is simple. the more trolls, animal-rights activists, pharma apologists and general ne'er-do-wells that attack me, the more I am convinced that my argument is correct. Now, if I were attacked by highly regarded authorities, then I would feel that I would have to re-think my position. TC We are all laughing at you, TC. > Now, if I were attacked by > highly regarded authorities, then I would feel that I would have to > re-think my position. Anyone that takes exception to your position, be it a troll or God is automatically declared by you to be some evil incarnate and wrong. Nice straw man world you live in. As I said, those in the psyche ward THINK they are right. Most serial killers think they are making the world a better place to live. Dahmer simply hated PETA. -DF > Again, you post propaganda and, in this case, outright lies. > And you are being caught at it. I'm not a TC fan and often one of those that thinks he's totally whacked but when it comes to PETA he is right on - they can't see the trees unless there are animals to show them the way. > And Krane is absolutely right. > This topic DOES belong on another forum. Sorry but PETA quacks do belong in the nutrition group if for no other reason, to show their bias bull Sh*t. Of course TC is 99% of the time out to lunch but he is about nutrition albeit wrong. -DF Animal rights? Animals have more rights than Terri Schiavo did. Her cheating husband had the right to kill her. Anybody remember that? > Animal rights? > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Anybody remember that? COMMENT: I seem to remember that a blind vegetable with half a brain and no consciousness was being kept alive by a surgical tube into her stomach, and her legal guardian and medical power-of-attorney finally pulled it out in accordance with his best understanding of her previous wishes. Had she not wanted this kind of thing to happen, she certainly could have signed all kinds of living wills to prevent it, when she was mentally normal prior to her cardiac arrest and brain damage. She didn't. The same applies to you. If this happens to you, an you want them to use artificial means (which a surgically implanted stomach tube and pump is) to keep your blind, speachless and brain-fried body alive in a bed or chair for 10 or 20 years, changing your diapers in a nursing until you shrivel up and die of old age or whatever, THEN do your paperwork, as Ms. Schiavo did not. If you don't, you husband or wife or closest family will make that decision for you. A situation I certainly agree with. SBH > I seem to remember that a blind vegetable with half a brain and no > consciousness was being kept alive by a surgical tube into her stomach, [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > mentally normal prior to her cardiac arrest and brain damage. She > didn't. And her LEGAL guardian was her husband, not her parents. > The same applies to you. If this happens to you, an you want them to > use artificial means (which a surgically implanted stomach tube and [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > closest family will make that decision for you. A situation I certainly > agree with. The problem with the Terri Schiavo case was both of her parents wanted to keep her brain-dead body on machine/tube support while her husband finally decided machine/tube support should be deleted. > The problem with the Terri Schiavo case was both of her parents > wanted to keep her brain-dead body on machine/tube support while her husband > finally decided machine/tube support should be deleted. That's not a "problem." The law is very clear about that. If you don't want your spouse to make your medical decisions for you instead of your parents, then you'd better sign some papers to fix that. Because that is the default feature of the law, same as it is if you die intestate (without a will). Spouses come before parents. We all know that. [I presume we do; your message makes me wonder]. SBH |
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