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tcomeau - 19 Dec 2003 02:30 GMT
> > TC will not belive it. Since it is .gov site it is all part of his
> > conspiracy theory.
>
> Ack!  Good point on the conspirisy theory.  ;-)
>
> > To save him a few keystrokes:
> >
> > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > Successful weight loss maintenance.
> >
> > Wing RR, Hill JO.
> >
> > The Miriam Hospital, Brown University, Providence, Rhode Island 02906, USA.
> >
> > Obesity is now recognized as a serious chronic disease, but there is
> > pessimism about how successful treatment can be. A general perception is
> > that almost no one succeeds in long-term maintenance of weight loss. To
> > define long-term weight loss success, we need an accepted definition. We
> > propose defining successful long-term weight loss maintenance as
> > intentionally losing at least 10% of initial body weight and keeping it
> > off for at least 1 year. According to this definition, the picture is
> > much more optimistic, with perhaps greater than 20% of overweight/obese
> > persons able to achieve success. We found that in the National Weight
> > Control Registry, successful long-term weight loss maintainers (average
> > weight loss of 30 kg for an average of 5.5 years) share common
> > behavioral strategies, including eating a diet low in fat, frequent
> > self-monitoring of body weight and food intake, and high levels of
> > regular physical activity. Weight loss maintenance may get easier over
> > time. Once these successful maintainers have maintained a weight loss
> > for 2-5 years, the chances of longer-term success greatly increase.

You are right. I won't believe it. Ya know why? Here is a little bit
of info about Wing RR and Hill JO, the two auhtors of the above study.
Damned if they aren't on the payroll of big pharma and the food
industry too.

************************
Rena R. Wing, Ph.D., U. of Pittsburgh School of Medicine. Consultant
to and received research support from Lilly Pharmaceuticals, is on
Weight Watchers Advisory Board; has received research support from
Ross Laboratories and ILSI. (Newark Star-Ledger, 2/17/97 notes Eli
Lilly, WW)

James O. Hill, Ph.D., Professor of Pediatrics and Director, Center for
Human Nutrition at the University of Colorado Health Sciences Center,
Denver, CO. Research support from Amgen, Hoffman-LaRoche, Procter &
Gamble, and Knoll Pharmaceuticals; has received consultant fees from
Knoll, Roche Laboratories, International Life Sciences Institute, and
Procter & Gamble and is a consultant to the Duke Diet and Fitness
Center. (Newark Star-Ledger, 2/17/97). President, North American
Association for the Study of Obesity. (USA Today, 9/1/98) Lead author
of a study on olestra supported by a grant from Procter & Gamble. (Am.
J. Clin. Nutr. 1998;67:1178-85) Co-wrote (with Barbara Rolls) a 1998
report for ILSI on "Carbohydrates and Weight Management." Participated
in a 3/25/99 panel assembled by the Sugar Association to inform New
York magazine editors about obesity, calories, and activity. (Sugar
Association's 1999 annual report,
http://www.foodingredientsonline.com; accessed 03/30/99) Research on
the effects of covert substitution of olestra for conventional fat on
spontaneous food intake supported by Procter & Gamble. (Am. J. Clin.
Nutr. 1998;67:1178-85) Research on the role of carbohydrates in weight
management was supported by the Sugar Association. (Letter from Sugar
Association to USDA; on file with CSPI; 4/16/99) Research on using
Orlistat for weight maintenance funded by Hoffmann-La Roche. (Am. J.
Clin. Nutr. 1999;69:1108-16) Member of the Foodfit.com advisory board.
(http://www.foodfit.com/about/advisoryBoard.asp; accessed 11/11/00)
Research on weight management supported in part by Abbott
Laboratories. (J. Amer. Coll. Nutr. 2001;20:26-31) Member of the
McDonald's Corporation Global Advisory Council on Healthy Lifestyles;
formed to "help guide the company on activities that address the need
for balanced, healthy lifestyles."
(http://www.mcdonalds.com/corporate/press/corporate/2003/05212003/;
accessed 6/23/03) Receives consulting fees from HealtheTech, Johnson &
Johnson, Procter & Gamble, and Coca-Cola. Receives speakers fees from
Abbott Laboratories, Roche Laboratories, and Kraft Foods. Receives
research funding from M&M Mars. (N. Engl. J. Med. 2003:348;2082-2090)
Member of the expert advisory board for the American Council for
Fitness and Nutrition. (http://www.acfn.org/about/advisory.html;
accessed 10/31/03)
*****************

No conspiracy here, eh? It has been pretty consistent that whenever a
"researcher" puts out a study that attacks low-carb or supports
low-fat, there is always funding from the pharma or the food industry.

I challenge anyone to find *ONE* that isn't.

TC
tcomeau - 19 Dec 2003 18:02 GMT
> > > TC will not belive it. Since it is .gov site it is all part of his
> > > conspiracy theory.
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>
> TC

Both of these "researchers" are affiliated with ILSA, International
Life Sciences Institute.

http://www.ilsina.org/

Check out the 50 corporate sponsors link.

3M Microbiology
Ajinomoto U.S.A., Inc.
Archer Daniels Midland Company
BASF Corporation
Bristol-Myers Squibb Company
Burger King Corporation
Campbell Soup Company
Cargill, Incorporated
The Coca-Cola Company
Corn Products International, Inc.
Danisco Cultor America, Inc.
E.I. du Pont de Nemours and Company
General Mills, Inc.
Gerber Products Company
H.J. Heinz Company
Hershey Foods Corporation
International Flavors & Fragrances, Inc.
Kellogg Company
Kraft Foods, Inc.
Masterfoods USA
McCormick & Company, Inc.
McNeil Nutritionals
Mead Johnson Nutritionals
Monsanto Company
National Starch and Chemical Company
Nestlé USA, Inc.
Novozymes North America, Inc.
The NutraSweet Company
Nutrinova, Inc.
Ocean Spray Cranberries, Inc.
The Pepsi-Cola Company
Pfizer, Inc.
The Proctor & Gamble Company
Red Bull
Roche Vitamins, Inc.
Ross Products Division/Abbott
Laboratories
Sethness Products Company
Taco Bell Corporation
Takasago International Corporation
(USA)
Tate & Lyle
Unilever Bestfoods NA
Wm. Wrigley Jr. Company
Wyeth Nutritionals International

No conspiracy here, eh?

TC
tcomeau - 20 Dec 2003 18:46 GMT
> > > > TC will not belive it. Since it is .gov site it is all part of his
> > > > conspiracy theory.
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>
> TC

Does this study and its funding not look suspect?

I challenge anyone to find a study that has similar findings that
isn't funded by the pharma and/or food industries.

Conversely, I challenge anyone to find one study that has findings
that goes against these findings in any way, that *is* funded these
industries.

It is time that researchers clearly and completely disclose all of
their industry interests with every study they submit for
publications, and all publishers must start publishing the researchers
industry interests along with the studies. Any less than this is a
license to deceive to the researchers and industry.

TC
tcomeau - 22 Dec 2003 18:50 GMT
> > > > > TC will not belive it. Since it is .gov site it is all part of his
> > > > > conspiracy theory.
[quoted text clipped - 158 lines]
>
> TC

Hey Doug,

In view of the lack of response, I will assume that you are conceding
that I am correct and you are wrong.

You silence speaks louder than my ranting.

TC
Doug Freese - 23 Dec 2003 02:37 GMT
> In view of the lack of response, I will assume that you are conceding
> that I am correct and you are wrong.

LOFL!

> You silence speaks louder than my ranting.

I find you boring and childish and not worth any more keystrokes.

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Doug Freese
"Caveat Lector"
dfreeseS@NOBShvc.rr.com

tcomeau - 23 Dec 2003 05:33 GMT
> > In view of the lack of response, I will assume that you are conceding
> > that I am correct and you are wrong.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> I find you boring and childish and not worth any more keystrokes.

I know you are but what am I?

Nyah nyah nya nya nyah....

TC
John 'the Man' - 23 Dec 2003 10:11 GMT
Once upon a time, our fellow tcomeau
  rambled on about "Re: Doug Freese, explain this for me."
Our champion De-Medicalizing in sci.med.nutrition retorts, thusly ...

>> I find you boring and childish and not worth any more keystrokes.
>
>I know you are but what am I?
>
>Nyah nyah nya nya nyah..

Hey, TC!  I told you that were the village idiot, here.

Now, you know why.

Just thought that you might want to know. :)
tcomeau - 23 Dec 2003 15:57 GMT
> Once upon a time, our fellow tcomeau
>    rambled on about "Re: Doug Freese, explain this for me."
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
> Just thought that you might want to know. :)

I thought it was pretty funny. I'm still chuckling over it.

Kinda ironic... an admitted mental defective calling me a village idiot.

;-)

TC
Ben A. Green - 27 Dec 2003 21:39 GMT
I the int4ernet and newsgroups we have a wonderful resource available to us,
which would have been unimaginable to Issac Newton. Let use it wisely.
Ear Rings - 28 Dec 2003 02:45 GMT
Start with spellcheck or proofreading what you wrote. We don't need the
incoherence.

> I the int4ernet and newsgroups we have a wonderful resource available to us,
> which would have been unimaginable to Issac Newton. Let use it wisely.
 
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