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Kamalakar Pasupuleti - 09 Aug 2005 18:37 GMT The speed with which Peter Jennings the versatile anchor of ABC News succumbed to lung cancer is shocking . What are the early symptoms of lung cancer and how early it can be detected ?
Kam
montygram - 09 Aug 2005 19:53 GMT I'm interested in prevention. I saw a study several years ago, which included the information that a population using coconut oil (in Asia) had very low rates of lung cancer, regardless of whether they were chains smokers or never smoked.
Mary Enig (fatty acid expert) has written about the importance of certain saturated fatty acids for lung health and resistance to "disease." If your diet is high in unsaturated fatty acids, which it almost certainly is, you are going to be much more susceptible to lung cancer and other cancers. Here's a recent report, for example, which just reiterates what I've been saying here for years (because scientists have been saying it for years, for example, Jay Whelan's 1997 study about polyunsaturated fatty acids being signaling agents for cancer). And don't think that fish oil will cancel out all the bad effects of omega 6 PUFAs. These fatty acids are just as bad, though in somewhat different ways, depending upon the context.
8/2/2005 Omega-6 Fatty Acids Cause Prostate Tumor Cell Growth In Culture
A study conducted at the San Francisco VA Medical Center (SFVAMC) has demonstrated that omega-6 fatty acids such as the fat found in corn oil promote the growth of prostate tumor cells in the laboratory. The study also identifies a potential new molecular target for anti-tumor drugs: an enzyme known as cPLA2, which plays a key role in the chain leading from omega-6 fatty acids to prostate tumor cell growth.
The study was led by Millie Hughes-Fulford, PhD, director of the Laboratory of Cell Growth at SFVAMC and scientific advisor to the U.S. Undersecretary of Health for the Department of Veterans Affairs. It is being published in the September 2005 issue of Carcinogenesis, and is currently available online.
Working with human prostate cancer cells in tissue culture, Hughes-Fulford and her fellow researchers identified for the first time a direct chain of causation: When introduced into prostate tumor cells in culture, omega-6 fatty acid causes the production of cPLA2, which then causes the production of the enzyme COX2. In turn, COX2 stimulates the release of PGE2, a hormone-like molecule that promotes cell growth.
"What's important about this is that omega-6 fatty acids are found in corn oil and most of the oils used in bakery goods," says Hughes-Fulford, who is also an adjunct professor of medicine at the University of California, San Francisco (UCSF). "Which means that if you're eating a diet high in omega-6 fatty acids, it's possible that you're turning on this cancer cascade, which has been shown to be a common denominator in the growth of prostate, colorectal, and some breast cancers."
The study points out that 60 years ago in the United States, the dietary ratio of omega-6 to omega-3, a beneficial fatty acid, was 1 to 2. Today, the ratio is 25 to 1. Over that same 60 years, the incidence of prostate cancer in the U.S. has increased steadily.
Hughes-Fulford also found that flurbiprofen, a non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drug commonly prescribed for arthritis, blocked the production of cPLA2 and broke the chain leading to cell growth. This means, she says, that new drugs might be developed that could specifically target cPLA2 and prevent COX2 from being released.
"COX2 has been implicated in the growth of many types of tumors," she notes. "So if you can find a way to block that cascade in the tumor, starting with cPLA2, you might have a new way of modifying or slowing tumor growth."
Hughes-Fulford points out that cPLA2 inhibitors would avoid the problems inherent in the class of drugs known as COX2 inhibitors. These drugs have been shown to be effective against tumor growth as well as in treating the pain associated with inflammatory conditions such as arthritis, but have been implicated in increased risk of cardiovascular problems in people who take them regularly. "COX2 inhibitors also inhibit prostacyclins, which are enzymes that are beneficial to the heart, and cPLA2 inhibitors would not affect those," she explains.
In future research, Hughes-Fulford will be looking at the overall effect of different types of fatty acids on different tumor types in cell lines as well as human biopsies. She plans a study that will correlate type of fatty acid with tumor stage and grade in order to obtain a clearer picture of specific effects of different fats on tumor progression.
Co-authors of the study were Raymond R. Tjandrawinata, PhD, of UCSF, Chai-Fei Li, BA, of SFVAMC, and Sina Sayyah, BA, of SFVAMC and UCSF.
Science. 2005 Jul 29;309(5735):774-7.
Recognition of host immune activation by Pseudomonas aeruginosa.
Wu L, Estrada O, Zaborina O, Bains M, Shen L, Kohler JE, Patel N, Musch MW, Chang EB, Fu YX, Jacobs MA, Nishimura MI, Hancock RE, Turner JR, Alverdy JC.
Department of Surgery, University of Chicago, Pritzker School of Medicine, Chicago, IL 60637, USA.
It is generally reasoned that lethal infections caused by opportunistic pathogens develop permissively by invading a host that is both physiologically stressed and immunologically compromised. However, an alternative hypothesis might be that opportunistic pathogens actively sense alterations in host immune function and respond by enhancing their virulence phenotype. We demonstrate that interferon-gamma binds to an outer membrane protein in Pseudomonas aeruginosa, OprF, resulting in the expression of a quorum-sensing dependent virulence determinant, the PA-I lectin. These observations provide details of the mechanisms by which prokaryotic organisms are directly signaled by immune activation in their eukaryotic host.
7/30/2005 Immune System's Distress Signal Tells Bacteria When To Strike Back
The human opportunistic pathogen, Pseudomonas aeruginosa, has broken the immune system's code, report researchers from the University of Chicago, enabling the bacteria to recognize when its host is most vulnerable and to launch an attack before the weakened host can muster its defenses.
In the July 29, 2005 issue of Science, the researchers show how this lethal organism detects interferon-gamma, a chemical messenger the immune system uses to coordinate its efforts to get rid of bacteria. When these bacteria intercept this message, they recognize it as a threat, assess their own numbers, and if they have sufficient strength, activate genes that quickly transform them from benign passengers in the bowel into deadly blood-stream invaders.
"Most of the time these microbes are content to live and grow in our intestines," said John Alverdy, MD, professor of surgery at the University of Chicago and director of the study. "They don't feel the need or even look for the opportunity to attack. But when they detect a threat, they have a remarkably sophisticated defense plan, based, unfortunately, on the notion that the best defense is an overwhelming offense."
Pseudomonas aeruginosa is ubiquitous. It lives in all sorts of moist places, including damp soil and on the surface of vegetables, as well as in streams, faucets, and drinking fountains. It is often a long-term bowel tenant, colonizing the intestines of about three percent of healthy people.
In the bowel this germ is usually harmless, but it can turn deadly, causing gut-derived sepsis. It is also a frequent cause of infections after major surgery.
Physicians have theorized, said Alverdy, that germs such as Pseudomonas are always "probing for a weakness in the host and are ready and willing to strike whenever they find one." He and his colleagues, however, are testing an alternative theory: that "bacteria are perfectly content in their niche until signals from the host--usually during stress, such as after major surgery--let them know there's a problem."
For Pseudomonas, detecting interferon-gamma, "is like receiving a demolition notice from your landlord," Alverdy said. "It lets them know they need to find a new home. They don't take that news any better than we would."
A vulnerable host, like a condemned home, is a liability, a threat to its tenants' survival. Pseudomonas, however, has the tools to engineer its own escape--by killing off the host.
This wily pathogen can evade a host's immune system. It can repel antibiotics, secrete toxins similar to those used by anthrax, latch onto the bowel wall, bore its way through, and flow into the blood stream. As a consequence, patients with widespread Pseudomonas infection often die within a few days.
Alverdy and colleagues were able to pinpoint key early steps of this lethal process. The transformation starts when a weakened host tries to boost its defenses against any possible invasion. The host's T cells release chemical signals that activate the immune system. One of those signals, interferon-gamma, is intercepted by a protein, called OprF, found on the outer membrane surface of Pseudomonas. This serves an early warning system.
Once Pseudomonas detects the first signs of a brewing immune response, they also begin to prepare for battle, gathering information and responding with their own counteroffensive.
Their first move is a process called quorum sensing, which bacteria use to gauge their own numbers. When interferon-gamma binds with OprF on the bacterial cell surface, it activates a gene called rhII. RhII triggers synthesis and secretion of a bacterial signaling molecule called C4-HSL. By measuring the amount of C4-SHL in their environment these bacteria can estimate their own numbers and density.
If they feel they are sufficiently numerous, they produce two virulence factors, molecular weapons known as PA-I and Pyocyanin. PA-I causes the barrier cells that line the host's bowel to become more permeable, which renders them more susceptible to the microbe's toxins. Pyocyanin enhances the germ's ability to pass through the weakened bowel wall, enter the bloodstream and invade tissue.
"Our goal," Alverdy said, "is to understand the many steps in this process and use that knowledge to find novel ways to intervene, to stop the infection before it starts rather than trying to kill all the germs."
Many harmful bacteria have already learned how to resist the drugs developed to treat them. Scientists are now looking at alternatives, such as ways to block or scramble the chemical messages that allow microbes to eavesdrop on their hosts or to conspire together to mount an attack.
"We chose to study this in Pseudomonas because it is one of the deadliest infections for patients who undergo major surgery," said Alverdy. "We suspect something very similar, however, occurs in all sorts of infections."
Inflammatory bowel disease patients, for example, have elevated cytokines--the chemical messengers that trigger an immune response--in the bowel. "These could signal the bug," said Alverdy, "then the bug strikes back and then the inflammation process snowballs." Because the bacteria in this case are "normal flora," people with no real infection develop a chronic disease.
The battles between pathogens and their hosts have been going on for millions of years, Alverdy said, with each side constantly devising novel measures, countermeasures, and counter-countermeasures, including sophisticated mutual espionage.
The discovery of antibiotics gave human hosts a temporary advantage, "but that seems to be waning a bit," he added. "We need to learn new ways to understand our germs and think about how to placate rather than annihilate them."
The National Institutes for Health and the Canadian Institutes of Health research supported this research. Additional authors of the paper include Licheng Wu, Oscar Estrada, Olga Zaborina, Le Shen, Jonathan Kohler, Nachiket Patel, Mark Musch, Eugene Chang, Yang-Xin Fu, Michael Nishimura, and Jerrold Turner of the University of Chicago; Michael Jacobs of the University of Washington; and Robert Hancock of the University of British Columbia.
Source: sciencedaily.com
Sbharris[atsign]ix.netcom.com - 09 Aug 2005 20:17 GMT > The speed with which Peter Jennings the versatile anchor of ABC News > succumbed to lung cancer is shocking . COMMENT:
Not if they killed him with chemo, it isn't. He had a terminal condition in any case, but there are some cancers probably best left untreated (except with paliative radiotherapy) and many types of lung cancer fall into this category, after they've spread beyond the point of surgical removal. Chemo doesn't slow them down much, and it certainly quite often kills patients (they lose weight and get pneumonia much faster, and die). Alas, oncologists continue to "offer" chemo "paliatively" even in cases where it hasn't been shown to affect life span, and certainly where it can negatively affect life quality. In these cases a lot of patients might be better off just saying no to cytotoxic-type chemotherapy.
(Radiation, by contrast, is a relatively well-tolerated cancer treatment, causing few problems with quality of life, and rarely contributing to death).
Understand, I'm not against chemo per se. In some cancers at some stages (and even a few solid cancers at ANY stage), chemotherapy can be lifesaving, and you'd be a fool not to use it. In a few others, cytotoxic chemo does work paliatively, cutting bone pain from metastases, even when everyone knows it won't be curative. This is particularly helpful in very low and painful cancers that metastasize to bone, with breast cancer being a prime example.
But at the same time, chemotherapy is overused, in general, in oncology. It's used when the patient isn't in pain from the tumor, and when there's little reason to believe it's doing anything to extend life. Oncologists earn most of their money by giving chemotherapy, and that might be part of the reason. However, the unwillingness of patients to just "give up" and do nothing without continuing to "fight," is another. Wisdom is needed when you have something like inoperable lung cancer. It is fine to grasp at straws when they're inexpensive and reasonably harmless straws. Chemotherapy often isn't that kind of thing.
SBH
fresh~horses@despammed.com - 09 Aug 2005 21:39 GMT > > The speed with which Peter Jennings the versatile anchor of ABC News > > succumbed to lung cancer is shocking . [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > > SBH And herceptin?
Sbharris[atsign]ix.netcom.com - 09 Aug 2005 21:45 GMT fresh~hor...@despammed.com wrote:
> And herceptin? Not cytotoxic and thus not a big risk. Fairly benign clinically (though very expensive).
fresh~horses@despammed.com - 10 Aug 2005 05:11 GMT I'm really happy to hear you say this, because it seems almost impossible to discuss this. When you say cancer, people often become incapable of being rationale. Everyone wants the biggest gun, for themselves and for their loved ones. Even if there is no evidence.
But then I can say this easily, today. This time last week, I still had every chance of being among the former group.
"The difference in the death rate between the Herceptin and non-Herceptin groups was 2 per cent after three years, and 4 per cent after four years." G&M
Yes. It's me.
Jeff - 09 Aug 2005 22:35 GMT > The speed with which Peter Jennings the versatile anchor of ABC News > succumbed to lung cancer is shocking . What are the early symptoms of > lung cancer and how early it can be detected ? Voice changes, couching, shortness of breath. Usually, by the time you have other symptoms (loss of weight, pain from metatstic disease), it is time to make an appointment with the coffin maker.
Jeff
> Kam Kamalakar Pasupuleti - 10 Aug 2005 01:32 GMT
> Voice changes, couching, shortness of breath. Usually, by the time you have > other symptoms (loss of weight, pain from metatstic disease), it is time to > make an appointment with the coffin maker. > > Jeff Very nice of you Jeff , but what is the earliest these symptoms develop and how early are the indications to the individual and also the physician . In India atleast 2 chest x-rays are normal for every individual above 50 periodically . Will a chest x-ray reveal any early stage indications of the disease .
Regards , Kam
> > Posted via Mailgate.ORG Server - http://www.Mailgate.ORG Jeff - 10 Aug 2005 03:00 GMT >> Voice changes, couching, shortness of breath. Usually, by the time you >> have [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > symptoms develop and how early are the indications to the individual > and also the physician . Usually by the time the lung cancer is discovered, it is too late. For these symptoms to develop, the lung cancer has to be in just the right place. And if a cough occurs in the middle of winter, one might write it off as a cold or infection or just the cold, which could delay treatment for a few more months.
> In India atleast 2 chest x-rays are normal > for every individual above 50 periodically . Will a chest x-ray > reveal any early stage indications of the disease . A chest X-Ray can reveal the disease early. Often, after it has spread. There are new treatments that make early diagnosis (even if the cancer has spread) treatable in a small per centage of people. I don't know if these treatments are available in India to most people. There may be other reasons why chest X-Rays are done, like looking for TB.
However, I am not up-to-date on the newest treatments or the diagnostic tests.
The best way to avoid dying from lung cancer is to not smoke.
Jeff
> Regards , > Kam
>> > Posted via Mailgate.ORG Server - http://www.Mailgate.ORG maison.mousse - 10 Aug 2005 08:29 GMT Jeff a écrit dans le message <7ddKe.3226$RZ2.2933@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>...
>>> Voice changes, couching, shortness of breath. Usually, by the time you >>> have [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > >>> > Posted via Mailgate.ORG Server - http://www.Mailgate.ORG The "Cat Scan" can detect the cancer very early however there are many false positives. Not smoking (anything) is the best advice. Many "dope smokers" are now coming down with lung cancer claiming that the never smoked because they did not use tobacco. Smoking any thing is dangerous and cannabis is many times worse than tobacco!
JL
Kamalakar Pasupuleti - 10 Aug 2005 21:32 GMT > A chest X-Ray can reveal the disease early. Often, after it has spread. > There are new treatments that make early diagnosis (even if the cancer has [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Regards , > > Kam In India there are chain smokers and many in rural area also smoke raw tobacco leaves , but the lung cancer is very rare . Is it possible the tobacco is processed and mixed with some chemicals here in the west .
Kam
TC - 10 Aug 2005 22:17 GMT > > A chest X-Ray can reveal the disease early. Often, after it has spread. > > There are new treatments that make early diagnosis (even if the cancer has [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > -- > Posted via Mailgate.ORG Server - http://www.Mailgate.ORG The correlation between cigarettes and lung cancer is not as strong as many believe it to be. There is actually a stronger correlation between diesel fuel and lung cancer than there is between tobacco and lung cancer.
I believe that the key is in the balance between the individuals long-term nutritional status and his or her exposure to cancer-causing substances. If the nutritional status is for the most part excellent, the individual is less likely to develop cancers, conversely if the individual is poorly nourished for a period of time when he or she is exposed to carcinogenic substances, they are more likely to develop cancers.
The key nutrients are some of the basic vitamins and minerals, notable vitamin C, the B vitamins, L-Lysine and L-Proline (among others).
Good nutrition protects against most chronic diseases including cancers. Good nutrition is maximizing good fresh nutrient-dense whole foods and minimizing processed, refined, nutrient-depleted manufactured foods.
TC
Kamalakar Pasupuleti - 11 Aug 2005 01:32 GMT > TC Good to read . Does secondary smoking any effect on the lung cancer ?
Kam
TC - 11 Aug 2005 14:50 GMT > > TC > Good to read . Does secondary smoking any effect [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > -- > Posted via Mailgate.ORG Server - http://www.Mailgate.ORG Probably to some extent. Depends on your nutritional status too.
TC
montygram - 11 Aug 2005 02:00 GMT Kam:
You aren't listening to me, and yet you are saying the same thing. If they are not using highly usaturated fat sources, that is why they don't get lung cancer even though they smoke.
Jeff - 11 Aug 2005 03:30 GMT >> A chest X-Ray can reveal the disease early. Often, after it has spread. >> There are new treatments that make early diagnosis (even if the cancer [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > lung cancer is very rare . Is it possible the tobacco is > processed and mixed with some chemicals here in the west . I can't help but wonder if the Lung cancer would be diagnosed soon enough to make a definitive diagnosis or if it wouldn't often be misdiagnosed.
Jeff
> Kam GMCarter - 11 Aug 2005 13:17 GMT snip
> In India there are chain smokers and >many in rural area also smoke raw tobacco leaves , but the >lung cancer is very rare . Is it possible the tobacco is >processed and mixed with some chemicals here in the west . On what do you base the statement that "lung cancer is very rare"?
Compared to the west?
I think this is false. It may be that the overall life span is somewhat shorter and people die of other things. Many, many rural people probably die without ever receiving a diagnosis.
While some of the private hospitals in India rival anything in the West, government hospitals are notoriously horrible, with physicians showing up maybe an hour a week while pulling a full week's pay. They're a nightmare.
Some data below tends to dispute what you are saying.
George M. Carter
** Behera D, Balamugesh T. Lung cancer in India. Indian J Chest Dis Allied Sci. 2004 Oct-Dec;46(4):269-81.
Department of Pulmonary Medicine, Postgraduate Institute of Medical Education and Research, Chandigarh, India. dbehera@glide.net.in
BACKGROUND: Lung cancer is one of the commonest malignant neoplasms all over the world. It accounts for more cancer deaths than any other cancer. It is increasingly being recognized in India. METHODS: We did a systematic review of the published studies on epidemiology, diagnosis and treatment of lung cancer in India. Literature from other countries was also reviewed. RESULTS: With increasing prevalence of smoking, lung cancer has reached epidemic proportions in India. It has surpassed the earlier commonest form of cancer, that of oropharynx, and now is the commonest malignancy in males in many hospitals. In addition to smoking, occupational exposure to carcinogens, indoor air pollution and dietary factors have recently been implicated in the causation of lung cancer. Squamous cell carcinoma is still the commonest histological type in India in contrast to the Western countries, although adenocarcinoma is becoming more common. Molecular genetics of lung cancer has opened up new vistas of research in carcinogenesis. Various modalities for early detection through screening are being investigated. Majority of the patients have locally advanced or disseminated disease at presentation and are not candidates for surgery. Chemotherapy applied as an adjunct with radiation improves survival and the quality of life. New anticancer drugs, which have emerged during the last decade, have shown an improved efficacy-toxicity ratio. CONCLUSIONS: In view of our large population, the burden of lung cancer will be quite enormous in India. Drastic measures aimed at discouraging people from smoking must be taken to reduce the morbidity and mortality due to lung cancer.
** Pathak AK, Bhutani M, Mohan A, Guleria R, Bal S, Kochupillai V. Non small cell lung cancer (NSCLC): current status and future prospects. Indian J Chest Dis Allied Sci. 2004 Jul-Sep;46(3):191-203.
Department of Medical Oncology, All India Institute of Medical Sciences, New Delhi, India.
The incidence of lung cancer is rising dramatically and it is now the commonest cause of mortality and morbidity not only in the industrialised countries, but in developing nations like India as well. Tobacco smoking has consistently been demonstrated to be an important aetiological factor, though lung cancer occurs in non-smokers also. In spite of great advances in radiological and molecular diagnostic techniques, the ideal screening marker for early detection of lung cancer has still not been found. Histological diagnosis and staging is essential for selecting the mode of therapy in patients with lung cancer. Stages I and II are amenable to surgery. However, advanced stage III and IV need an individualised combination of surgery, chemotherapy and radiotherapy. With a better understanding of the cellular mechanisms operating in carcinogenesis, newer target specific modalities are being developed and tested in order to stem this disease, which threatens to assume epidemic proportions.
** Nandakumar A, Gupta PC, Gangadharan P, Visweswara RN, Parkin DM. Geographic pathology revisited: Development of an atlas of cancer in India. Int J Cancer. 2005 Sep 20;116(5):740-54.
National Cancer Registry Programme, Indian Council of Medical Research, Bangalore, India.
Information on 217,174 microscopically diagnosed cancers diagnosed in 2001-2002 was collected from pathology laboratories in 68 districts across India. Data collection took place primarily via the Internet. Average annual age-adjusted incidence rates for microscopically diagnosed cases (MAAR) by gender and site were calculated for each of the 593 districts in the country. The rates were compared to those from established population based cancer registries (PBCR). In 82 districts, the MAAR for 'all cancer sites' was above a "completeness" threshold of 36.2/100,000 (based on results of a rural PBCR). The results confirmed some known features of the geography of cancer in India, and brought to light new ones. Cancers of the mouth and tongue are particularly frequent in both genders in the southern states. Very high rates of nasopharynx cancer were found in the northeastern states (Nagaland, Manipur). There was clear geographic correlation between the rates of cervical and penile cancer, and a high rate of stomach and lung cancer (in both genders) in many districts of Mizoram State. The area of high risk for gallbladder cancer seems larger than suspected previously, involving a wide band of northern India. There is a belt of high incidence of thyroid cancer in females in southwest coastal districts. Other than identifying possible existence of high-risk areas of specific cancers, our study has recognized places where PBCR could be established. The study was remarkably cost-effective and the electronic data-capture methodology provides a model for health informatics in the setting of a developing country. (c) 2005 Wiley-Liss, Inc.
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Kamalakar Pasupuleti - 11 Aug 2005 18:00 GMT > On what do you base the statement that "lung cancer is very rare"? > Compared to the west? < snipped > My reply was based on the talk I had with the cancer specialists at MNJ Hospital , Hyderabad , India . According to them throat cancer was mostly due to smoking .
Kam
GMCarter - 12 Aug 2005 10:51 GMT >> On what do you base the statement that "lung cancer is very rare"? >> Compared to the west? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >at MNJ Hospital , Hyderabad , India . According to them throat >cancer was mostly due to smoking . OK--that's not an unreasonable statement. But were they suggesting that lung cancer is very rare in India?
Kamalakar Pasupuleti - 12 Aug 2005 15:11 GMT > OK--that's not an unreasonable statement. But were they suggesting > that lung cancer is very rare in India? Not very rare but rare . I am also told many advanced cases of breast cancer if not removed properly by surgery also develop lung cancer and death follow very soon .
Kam
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