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The Omega-3 fatty acid DHA is an improtant factor in brain development.

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Dan - 09 Aug 2005 16:53 GMT
The Omega-3 fatty acid DHA is an improtant factor in brain development.
"[The dietary increase of DHA is] positively associated with changes
in cognitive or behavioral performance."

http://debunkbigpharma.blognation.us/blog/_archives/2005/8/9/1122348.html
montygram - 09 Aug 2005 20:00 GMT
This is one of those "associations" studies.  It is not science,
because there aren't the proper controls.  We don't know if the omega 9
derived PUFA, Mead acid, would have been just as useful, if not better.
It is clear that the omega 3s can block some of the undeniably
dangerous effects of the omega 6s, arachidonic acid in particular, and
that might be what is happening here.  The researchers aren't familiar
enough with the literature to even know this much.  My point is, and
has been for years now, that both omega 3s and 6s are too dangerous to
eat except in trace amounts.  I've seen the studies of actual
experiments that documented this (and I've cited them here in the
past).  Your body makes it's own polyunsaturated fatty acid, to be used
for growth and stress (two sides of the same coin), called the Mead
acid, and the evidence suggests that this is best (as does common
sense), but until the experiments are done, we won't know for sure.
I'd be content if rersearches fed dogs, or some other animal that
metabolized fatty acids in the same way that people do, either fresh
coconut oil or a mixture of corn and fish oil, and then determine which
group of dogs live longer.  I've challenged people here to put their
own money, as I would do, and whoever "loses" would then pay for the
entire experiment.  So far, no one has shown any interest.  Not even
one counter-proposal, for example.
Juhana Harju - 10 Aug 2005 10:56 GMT
:: We don't know if the omega 9 derived PUFA, Mead acid,
:: would have been just as useful, if not better.

:-) That is not very likely as DHA is the most abundant fat in the brain.

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MMu - 10 Aug 2005 11:20 GMT
> This is one of those "associations" studies.  It is not science,
> because there aren't the proper controls.  We don't know if the omega 9
> derived PUFA, Mead acid, would have been just as useful, if not better.

well i agree, would have been interesting, but there aren't many reports on
n9's involvement in brain function.

> It is clear that the omega 3s can block some of the undeniably
> dangerous effects of the omega 6s, arachidonic acid in particular, and
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> acid, and the evidence suggests that this is best (as does common
> sense), but until the experiments are done, we won't know for sure.

basic biochemistry will tell anyone that a fatty acid with a first
doublebond in n3 position behaves differently than one in n9 position

basic chemistry will tell anyone that a molecule with 6 or 5 pi bonds
behaves differntly than a molecule with only 4 pi bonds.. anyone except you
is aware of that.

problem is, and unfortunately this closes you out of any scientific
discussion, is that you don't account for these problems in your theories.
you just close your eyes on it.. and thats fanatism, not science.

> I'd be content if rersearches fed dogs, or some other animal that
> metabolized fatty acids in the same way that people do, either fresh
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> entire experiment.  So far, no one has shown any interest.  Not even
> one counter-proposal, for example.

there have been- you just seem to suffer badly from alzheimers since you
seem to forget so much (including various abstracts being posted). but on
the other hand you still seem to believe that a lifelong scientific
experiment with 100 dogs can be done with around $10,000.
Kamalakar Pasupuleti - 10 Aug 2005 18:26 GMT
> > This is one of those "associations" studies.  It is not science,
> > because there aren't the proper controls.  We don't know if the omega 9
> > derived PUFA, Mead acid, would have been just as useful, if not better.

         Cooking oils have a combination of both omega3 and 6 fatty
acids . Which are the ones which have less omega 3 fatty acids ?

Kam
nospam@aol.com - 11 Aug 2005 07:12 GMT
>> > This is one of those "associations" studies.  It is not science,
>> > because there aren't the proper controls.  We don't know if the omega 9
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
>Kam

Some examples.  For more see http://www.truehaus.net/food/data/oils.lipids2

        Omega 3(18.3)    Omega 6 (18.2)
               gm/100 gm.   
Olive Oil        .6        7.9
Canola        9.3        20.3
butter        1.20        1.80
Corn oil        0        58
Peanut oil    0        32
Soybean oil    7        51

Ora
John Sankey - 10 Aug 2005 17:41 GMT
":-) That is not very likely as DHA is the most abundant fat in the brain."

But, are we sure about montygram's brain :-o
 
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