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Medical Forum / General / Nutrition / August 2005FIT FOR LIFE Guidelines
Here's a link to the very barest outlines of Natural Hygiene: http://www.allaboutdietdrugs.com/fit_for_life_recipes.shtml Ignore the advertising. It has nothing to do with Natural Hygiene. Natural Hygiene does not tout using supplements and vitamins, but rather teaches us that we can get what we need from food alone if we eat correctly. This is one of the reasons that the medical and pharmeceutical industries would torpedo Natural Hygiene. Also, the "mayonnaise" that is mentioned is not egg-based mayo, but rather, tofu-based mayo, or better, Almonaise, which I mentioned in another post. Natural Hygiene speaks strongly against the eating of eggs. There is a link on that site which will bring you to information about the Diamonds and their work. Please go to that link. "Meet" the people who dedicated their lives so that we may live happily and healthily. The "medical establishment" would love to see Natural Hygiene discredited. Why? Because it is cost-effective and health-preserving. That's why. Plain and simple. If you think that physicians and pharmeceutical companies are concerned with keeping you well - THINK AGAIN. They are concerned with the fancy lifestyles they live and they want you coming back again and again. I fully expect that someone/s is/are going to jump on this thread with vulgarity and crude attempts to "trash" this post. Think: Would you want a person like that near you? Near your body? Treating you? If you knew your physician was in cahoots with people who sit on the net and trash other people's threads so that you would continue to be dependent upon him or her, would you still want that physician to be in charge of your health? Do not be fooled by their claims to "science" and authority. Scientific theories come and scientific theories go. But the laws of Natural Hygiene have kept Humans strong and healthy from time immemorial. Appeals to authority is always fallacious reasoning and nothing but a crude attempt to bully and browbeat you. Should someone who would beat psychologically be in charge of your health? Studies have proven that verbal and emotional abuse are every bit as damaging to the body as physical abuse. Would you eat "crap" that was put in front of you? Why take the nutritional and health advise of people who use such terms loosely in describing others' opinion and other people? Consider the contemptous way in which they address people. Could they possibly mean well for you? VP On 8 Aug 2005 00:17:43 -0700, Visual Purple wrote in <news:1123485463.484421.212590@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> on sci.med.nutrition : [...] > Scientific > theories come and scientific theories go. But the laws of Natural > Hygiene have kept Humans strong and healthy from time immemorial. Did you notice this is a *sci* group?  SignatureEnrico C > Here's a link to the very barest outlines of Natural Hygiene: > http://www.allaboutdietdrugs.com/fit_for_life_recipes.shtml [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > eat correctly. This is one of the reasons that the medical and > pharmeceutical industries would torpedo Natural Hygiene. Actually, it was the _Fit for Life_ book which torpedoed Natural Hygiene. That book which was written at the 3rd grade level, degraded Natural Hygiene into a method for losing weight. Once upon a time, Natural Hygiene was used to treat serious infections. You have my condolences. Finally! You posted something that evinces a shred of intelligence and a tone of expression that one can relate to. Mazal tov, Healthy! My own M-I-L was saved from a stomach ailment that physicians could not deal with on a "health farm" that treated her according to Natural Hygiene .This occurred when my husband was young, decades before FIT FOR LIFE was written, probably when the Diamonds were toddlers. Luckily for her, her attending physician was honest enough to say that her illness was beyond his ken and referred her to the Natural Hygiene treatment center. My husband and his siblings were raised henceforth on the Natural Hygiene principles that my M-I-L learned where she was treated and continued to practice. I have lived with them for the 23 years we are together. I know they work. I am not just talking about what I read in a book here and there. FIT FOR LIFE is a book that introduces Natural Hygiene to the American public in a language and style they can understand. Had Natural Hygiene been presented to Americans in too high falutin' a way they would never have paid attention. Most Americans are interested in their weight first and foremost, so the Diamond's used that point as the "hook" to draw the attention of the public. However, upon reading the book one sees very quickly that Natural Hygiene is far more than just a diet. FIT FOR LIFE II goes deeper into the lifestyle. The Diamonds say in FIT FOR LIFE II that that is the book they wanted to write in the first place. It is left up to the individual to decide how far into Natural Hygiene they wish to go. One can treat it as a dilettante or devote one's life to the study and practice and everything in between. I recommend that you not make yourself preposterous by offering condolences inappropriately, particularly not repeatedly, as this makes one wonder of you are not suffering from a form of dementia. VP > Finally! You posted something that evinces a shred of intelligence and > a tone of expression that one can relate to. Mazal tov, Healthy! Sorry, but I cannot say the same about your post. Natural hygiene has been around in the United States since before the time of the Civil War. _Fit for Life_ came out after Sheltons Natural Hygiene College was finally put out of business for killing 8 persons during long supervised fasting at the college. _Fit for Life_ came out after Sheltons Natural Hygiene College was finally put out of business for killing 8 persons during long supervised fasting at the college. Please show me something to back up this statement. > _Fit for Life_ came out after Sheltons Natural Hygiene College was > finally put out of business for killing 8 persons during long > supervised fasting at the college. > > Please show me something to back up this statement. Let me introduce you to the web and Google. Then you might try using the brain that God gave you. :) > _Fit for Life_ came out after Sheltons Natural Hygiene College was > finally put out of business for killing 8 persons during long > supervised fasting at the college. > > Please show me something to back up this statement. Let me introduce you to the web and Google. Then you might try using the brain that God gave you. :) > Studies have proven that verbal and emotional abuse are every bit as > damaging to the body as physical abuse. Would you eat "crap" that was > put in front of you? Why take the nutritional and health advise of > people who use such terms loosely in describing others' opinion and > other people? Historically speaking, Natural Health was the first health movement to embrace the mind - body connection. It was most certainly NOT Natural Hygience. http://naturalhealthperspective.com/tutorials/definition.html Also, diet is clearly a biological factor that affects both your physical and mental health. Just thought that you might want to know. :) "Do not be fooled by their claims to "science" and authority. Scientific theories come and scientific theories go. But the laws of Natural Hygiene have kept Humans strong and healthy from time immemorial." So, the program is not based on science? How then were the "laws" discovered? How then do we know they arevalid? " Environmental Nutrition Newsletter calls Fit for Life "typical of the new wave of books that intertwine scientific detail with pure nonsense." " http://www.quackwatch.org/11Ind/fitforlife.html The above seems to confirm the dubious scientific content, please read and evaluate for us. Please confine your comments to the science of the topic. > Here's a link to the very barest outlines of Natural Hygiene: > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > AGAIN. They are concerned with the fancy lifestyles they live and they > want you coming back again and again. COMMENT: The "medical establishment" couldn't care less about this version of "natural hygiene." Though most of us do refer to the Diamonds' books as _Fit for Laughs_. The idea that certain foods will get together in your stomach and somehow react or "putrify" to cause you harm, is right out of an obscessive-compulsive textbook case description. I suppose if you're an orthodox Jew with two sets of cookware, all this nuttiness about keepting different foods away from each other might seem natural to you (even if the set of foods to be kept separate happens to be different). But to the rest of the world, it's just over-hand-washing and ritualization. The "medical establishment" couldn't care less if you keep kosher, either, FYI. Everybody has to have a hobby. SBH You can be a funny guy there Mr Harris. You tread on thin ice a lot lately. You having a nervous breakdown (as the medical people called it years ago in ignorance)? I don't remember you talking like this a few years back. The bullshit getting to you? > > Here's a link to the very barest outlines of Natural Hygiene: > > [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > > SBH I do keep kosher, Steve. Got a problem with that? Kashrut is based on some very sound principles too, like not mixing various proteins. Above and beyond that is the moral aspect of eating, like not cooking a calf in its mother's milk and shooing a bird away before taking her eggs. Beyond that the Spiritual aspect of eating - matters which I won't even attempt to explain to you, as you do not evince the slightest ability to perceive so rarified a state. The principles of Natural Hygiene are a major threat to the medical establishement, because they work, because they are inexpensive and because they radically reduce the dependence of the public on the medical establishment. They also get people off being hooked on legal drugs, so Natural Hygience gets the pharmeceutical industry's panties into a twist. You keep right on acting ridiculous though. As Pizza Girl pointed out, you sound like you're tottering on the brink every time you talk about Natural Hygiene. You sound threatened. You sound frightened. You sound out of your depth, so you resort to ethnic slurs and other off the wall denegrations. Please do keep posting. You're making a far better case for Natural Hygiene that I am! > like not cooking a > calf in its mother's milk and shooing a bird away before taking her > eggs. Perhaps in your neighorhood, but in mine nobody shoos birds away. You have my condolences. :( > I do keep kosher, Steve. Got a problem with that? COMMENT: No, everybody has to have a hobby, as I said before. > Kashrut is based on > some very sound principles too, like not mixing various proteins. COMMENT: Not a sound principle. Scientific nonsense. Impossible to do in any case (do you know how many different proteins there are in a peice of meat? Tens of thousands.) > Above and beyond that is the moral aspect of eating, like not cooking a > calf in its mother's milk and shooing a bird away before taking her > eggs. COMMENT: There's something moral about cooking or not cooking a lamb (not calf) in it's mother's milk? Do explain. In any case, it's pretty hard to get from not boiling baby animals in mother's milk, to not thinking it's right to eat cold milk and (say) cold chicken together. Or for that matter, not being able to eat milk and chiken together, or chicken and fish together, but having no problem with eating (say) milk and fish together. None of this makes any scientific sense. If it makes you feel better religiously, then fine. As for a moral aspect, I can only observe than probably more Jews than not cannot see it, since more Jews don't keep kosher than do. I suppose most of the reform and even some of the conservative are morally blind? Even among the orthodox there are people who have found various places of comfort but call those who believe in more kosher rules fanatics, and those who believe in fewer, heretics. This would be funny if they all weren't so serious about it. > Beyond that the Spiritual aspect of eating - matters which I > won't even attempt to explain to you, as you do not evince the > slightest ability to perceive so rarified a state. COMMENT: No, I admit not. Baking powder will be non-kosher if it has cream of tartar prepared by goyim from grapes. Only grape products prepared by Jews can be kosher because the goys might have secretly blessed the cream of tartar or whatever, in their goyish ceremonies, and thus to eat them would be idolatry for an orthodox Jew, and that's the reason. That it would be idolatry to eat a grape chemical made by the goys? Yep, I haven't the slighest ability to perceive such rarified states, it's true. > The principles of Natural Hygiene are a major threat to the medical > establishement, because they work, because they are inexpensive and > because they radically reduce the dependence of the public on the > medical establishment. They also get people off being hooked on legal > drugs, so Natural Hygience gets the pharmeceutical industry's panties > into a twist. COMMENT: In your mind. Actually, the pharmaceutical companies don't care what you eat. Nobody stays up night worrying about it. Try to deflate your gross sense of self-importance a little. COMMENT: > You keep right on acting ridiculous though. As Pizza Girl pointed out, > you sound like you're tottering on the brink every time you talk about [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > depth, so you resort to ethnic slurs and other off the wall > denegrations. COMMENT: I hardly think it's an ethnic slur to point out that Jews widely disagree with each other on this stuff, so it's not obvious even from the religious viewpoint. As for the science, forget it. Most of the stuff in the Diamond's book is handwashing foolishness. > Please do keep posting. You're making a far better case for Natural > Hygiene that I am! I see. I point out that it's ridiculous, and you feel persecuted. And validated. Well, everybody has to have a hobby. SBH ----- Original Message ----- From: "Visual Purple" <DoreenDotan@gmail.com> Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2005 9:17 PM Subject: FIT FOR LIFE Guidelines > Natural Hygiene does not tout using supplements and vitamins, but > rather teaches us that we can get what we need from food alone if we > eat correctly. That MAY have been valid 75 years ago, in the mid 1930's, when Shelton did the majority of his writing, but he certainly did not anticipate the post -WWII chemical warfare conducted on agricultural lands that resulted the precipitous decline in nutrients in commercial produce. Laurie |
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